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Not swapping. You guys are nuts for trying.
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Not swapping but find the topic interesting.
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Thinking about doing the swap but not in the next year.
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Definitely going to do the swap in the next year or so.
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Doing it now. Looking for an engine or awaiting delivery.
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Doing it now. Already bought an engine.
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Done. Got my 5.4L and showin my tail lights to camaro's every day.
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by oifdoc
if i was you id swap the pisons now! just do it right so you dont worry about anything later. id plan now for NA or FI!!!
yea, it's not like it makes a difference since I haven't installed them yet. I need to figure out how much I want to lower the compression to do this though. I need to get everything in line so I can start putting together a kit.

I contacted tmd to see if they would do an exchange on my pistons so we will see how that goes. The only issue I see coming up there is that I originally ordered probe pistons, they sent me a set of mahles because the probes were on backorder and they didn't charge me for the difference. I imagine they wouldn't give me another set of mahles if they have the probes with the appropriate dish.
 

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Old 12-30-2010, 05:29 AM
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doesnt hurt to look into it!
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:13 PM
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Does anyone have a timeslip, or dyno sheet for a bolt on or cammed 5.4 swap? Ive read this thread over too many times and I've have my swap done for almost two years now I posted pictures a few about (15 pages) back.

I want to see if anyone have got into the low 12's or 11 with just cams or bolt ons.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by oifdoc
doesnt hurt to look into it!
nope, anyone have any advice for somebody wanting to fab their own kit? I'm looking at welders now and trying to learn all the ins and outs of turbos before I do anything. On a side note though, I figured out that 2v headers will bolt onto 4v heads. I'll play with both sets and see which one will give me the angle I need for running my hot side.

What size turbo do you guys suggest for me? My plans as of now are to run fairly low boost, but I know in the future I'll get bored with it and I'll want more. I'm gonna just say that this thing may someday see 900 hp. Any more than that and I think it needs to stay off the street.

I need all the advice I can get on putting together a kit so any DIY turbo guys would be a great help to me.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:52 PM
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330ciJarryd,
I am with you on curious of a turbo install. I have been reading on what to use for turbo and what manifold/headers to use for hot side. I was thinking about the frpp shorties because I could use for the original motor break in period and possibly flip them for turbo headers. I read an article in Mustang&Fast fords that they used a 67mm turbo and lost with a larger turbo.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by blazr92
330ciJarryd,
I am with you on curious of a turbo install. I have been reading on what to use for turbo and what manifold/headers to use for hot side. I was thinking about the frpp shorties because I could use for the original motor break in period and possibly flip them for turbo headers. I read an article in Mustang&Fast fords that they used a 67mm turbo and lost with a larger turbo.
interesting, I was told to go no smaller than a 76 with the 5.4 4v. I'm just going to use a set of stock logs for now, not sure which ones I'm going to use just yet. I just have to figure out everything I need to do to make this work. I know how the system works, but I just need to figure out where to get my piping to fab up the hot side and go from there. I was hoping to find a good deal on a welder so I could start putting it together but I don't know what to get just yet.

I know that the hot side needs to be welded and has to have the front o2s mounted in it. I need to figure out where to mount everything and get a parts list of everything I'm gonna need so I can start getting it all together.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:28 PM
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Look at CG fabrication. They show forward facing 4.6/5.4 Turbo headers for$625. Thinking about calling them tomorrow and ask some questions. They also have a hot side kit advertised for $1125. The article I read was about a 4.6 and trying to determine proper Turbo size. You might be right about the minimum for a 5.4. Maybe we will get a better answer from other Turbo guys.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 11:20 PM
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I think I'm starting to get everything figured out. I'm looking at the on3 kit with the 76 mm upgrade and changing the piping around a little to work with my intake on the drivers side. In the end, I'll be paying the same going with that kit and a set of stock 98 cobra cams as I would staying n/a and getting a set of stage 3 cams and some LTs and I'll have a lot more power. Pretty happy about this choice.
 
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I think I'm starting to get everything figured out. I'm looking at the on3 kit with the 76 mm upgrade and changing the piping around a little to work with my intake on the drivers side. In the end, I'll be paying the same going with that kit and a set of stock 98 cobra cams as I would staying n/a and getting a set of stage 3 cams and some LTs and I'll have a lot more power. Pretty happy about this choice.
I looked at the on3 kit. I was wondering how good and reliable these kits are. For the price, the kit is really cheap. I might have to research people who have used these kits and may go that route myself. I still have to buy cams myself. I bought a set of trick flow 38cc heads and r3d's HPS intake, but I still have a short block to build. Yes my build is a 5.4 2v.
 
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Old 01-01-2011, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by blazr92
I looked at the on3 kit. I was wondering how good and reliable these kits are. For the price, the kit is really cheap. I might have to research people who have used these kits and may go that route myself. I still have to buy cams myself. I bought a set of trick flow 38cc heads and r3d's HPS intake, but I still have a short block to build. Yes my build is a 5.4 2v.
From what I read about this kit is that you basically just get a turbo, intercooler and hot and cold piping. All you have to do is flip your manifolds. That is the only real reason why it is so cheap. Then you have to buy injectors, fuel pumps, extra FPDM, MAF, tubular K-member. If you are worried about performance just buy your own turbo from turobnetics. None the less, this is a good bargain and will make lots of power.
 
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:12 AM
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my bottom end 2200 delivered for any of you that have already posted in this thread. I'll include the front cover, pullies, and a "free gift" that you'll definitely like but I won't tell you what it is. I can tell you it's worth about 800 bucks.
 
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:35 PM
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I would like some of those headers lol
 
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 54mustang
Does anyone have a timeslip, or dyno sheet for a bolt on or cammed 5.4 swap? Ive read this thread over too many times and I've have my swap done for almost two years now I posted pictures a few about (15 pages) back.

I want to see if anyone have got into the low 12's or 11 with just cams or bolt ons.
sleepingGT had runs in the high 7's in the 1/8th with only bolt ons(CAI,Plenum,TB,FRPP shorties,prochamber,flows,HPS intake) and a 100 shot of giggle juice. this was with his motor not being built right and the rearend doing the one wheel peel....
 
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by myillwillinc
sleepingGT had runs in the high 7's in the 1/8th with only bolt ons(CAI,Plenum,TB,FRPP shorties,prochamber,flows,HPS intake) and a 100 shot of giggle juice. this was with his motor not being built right and the rearend doing the one wheel peel....
To go a little further on this point...

With my build (ported heads, cams, HPS intake, shorty headers, O/R Midpipe, 4.10's etc) I would walk (jump a car at the line then pull away constantly) my friends 8.4 1/8th 05 GT N/A on the street. Thats in a 96 SN95 with some weight reduction (and no A/C )

The 5.4 is potent...From the little i've driven my car with the vortech on 6 PSI...there are going to be some embarressed Termi and 11 GT owners out there.
 
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by stanger00
From what I read about this kit is that you basically just get a turbo, intercooler and hot and cold piping. All you have to do is flip your manifolds. That is the only real reason why it is so cheap. Then you have to buy injectors, fuel pumps, extra FPDM, MAF, tubular K-member. If you are worried about performance just buy your own turbo from turobnetics. None the less, this is a good bargain and will make lots of power.

The on3kit is pretty nice - but the thing I hated is you HAVE to do a tubular K/A arm, coilovers, and such. With the vortech I can wait.

Not to mention there is a good ammount of Fab to do with making the kit work on a 5.4 vs a 4.6 - if you go back 30/40 pages there is a member of the 5.4 swap club that has already done the on3 kit witha 5.4 and had great results.
 
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I have 99gt with a saleen supercharger. Is it a bad idea to put in a 5.4 with the supercharger using the adapter plates? If its been covered I apologize. Its a bit harder to find stuff on the internet with my phone rather than a computer
 
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I'm going with a blower on my swap..still trying to decide on which one though...got the OEM Gt500 one and the OEM "L" eaton
These guys on here know ALL the tricks of this trade. They'll help ya out.
 
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 1996mustangGT
The on3kit is pretty nice - but the thing I hated is you HAVE to do a tubular K/A arm, coilovers, and such. With the vortech I can wait.

Not to mention there is a good ammount of Fab to do with making the kit work on a 5.4 vs a 4.6 - if you go back 30/40 pages there is a member of the 5.4 swap club that has already done the on3 kit witha 5.4 and had great results.
I wish I knew how much fab work went into making the kit work with my setup. If I can save some money, I'd just fab my own kit rather than modding one made for a different setup. I already have the k-member anyway so I've got room. I just need to find a place to get my piping from and somebody to do the welds for me after I get everything mounted where I want it.
 
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Originally Posted by 00silvergt
I have 99gt with a saleen supercharger. Is it a bad idea to put in a 5.4 with the supercharger using the adapter plates? If its been covered I apologize. Its a bit harder to find stuff on the internet with my phone rather than a computer
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I'm going with a blower on my swap..still trying to decide on which one though...got the OEM Gt500 one and the OEM "L" eaton
These guys on here know ALL the tricks of this trade. They'll help ya out.

Go with the Tork Tech kit. Trust me, you wont be disappointed. I love mine and can provide alot of the info you'll need to do the swap.
 
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Go with the Tork Tech kit. Trust me, you wont be disappointed. I love mine and can provide alot of the info you'll need to do the swap.
I spoke with those guys already, they got nothing for me and my M122.
 
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Originally Posted by 00silvergt
I have 99gt with a saleen supercharger. Is it a bad idea to put in a 5.4 with the supercharger using the adapter plates? If its been covered I apologize. Its a bit harder to find stuff on the internet with my phone rather than a computer
Nope... not a bad idea but there are better blower packages for the purpose. I'd sell the saleen blower kit and buy the tork tech kit. It's designed for the 5.4 and the adapter plates that it uses don't touch coolant so there's no leak issues. Barring that, yeah the adapter plates will work but I'd have some machine work done to them so you can properly gasket them (basically, o-ring groove them and use RTV to seal the grooves).

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I spoke with those guys already, they got nothing for me and my M122.
See above.
 
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well, after I sit and rant about how much I love my 5.4 swap'd car...I'm selling it.

One of my friends who works at a local ford dealership is cutting me a wicked deal on a '11 5.0, w/373's brembo's black leather etc and I dont want to pass it up.

Im asking $8500. Here is a link to the sale add on Clist:
http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/2142919570.html

Fully built engine (Manley forged everything), ported heads, custom cams, vortech V2 supercharger, etc etc etc.
 
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
Nope... not a bad idea but there are better blower packages for the purpose. I'd sell the saleen blower kit and buy the tork tech kit. It's designed for the 5.4 and the adapter plates that it uses don't touch coolant so there's no leak issues. Barring that, yeah the adapter plates will work but I'd have some machine work done to them so you can properly gasket them (basically, o-ring groove them and use RTV to seal the grooves).



See above.
Again I wanna try and run with the parts I have for now.
 
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so r3d, I don't think I'm gonna be able to use either of those MAFs.
 
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Originally Posted by 2blownstangs
Again I wanna try and run with the parts I have for now.
Ok but you are going to run into more headaches but if you are up for it then more power to you. You can get the Tork Tech kit and then get an adaptor plate for your m122. A guy makes these plates for the terminators and since it has the terminator bolt pattern, the adaptor plate will bolt on and then your m122 will bolt on as well.

If i were you i would go tork tech and m112 just to save you from all the trouble. Sometimes we get caught up on our builds that everything sounds good in idea but its not the best thing to do. I wish you luck either way.
 
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jarryd, let me send you my harness. That'll fix that bastard.. couldn't before but now the car's torn apart so it's no biggie. PM me your addy. If that don't work then we'll ebay em and use the funds to buy you a proper one that will work.

oh... and +1 to what ortiz said.
 
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
jarryd, let me send you my harness. That'll fix that bastard.. couldn't before but now the car's torn apart so it's no biggie. PM me your addy. If that don't work then we'll ebay em and use the funds to buy you a proper one that will work.

oh... and +1 to what ortiz said.
Wiring isn't the issue this time. I'm gonna need something bigger.
 
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Old 01-05-2011, 05:46 PM
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Got my new ported heads in

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I'm gonna have to pull my rockers off the spare set of heads to get these going. Wish I had known that before I bought them. May end up hanging onto the old set for whatever reason. Maybe I'll end up building another modular someday, perhaps to put in an old truck or something.
 
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what year are those heads???
 
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what year are those heads???
I'm not really sure, is there a way I can look and check? I wanna say 2000, but I really have no idea. They're navi heads.
 


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