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View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
Not swapping. You guys are nuts for trying.
1.82%
Not swapping but find the topic interesting.
12.73%
Thinking about doing the swap but not in the next year.
16.82%
Definitely going to do the swap in the next year or so.
25.45%
Doing it now. Looking for an engine or awaiting delivery.
15.45%
Doing it now. Already bought an engine.
18.64%
Done. Got my 5.4L and showin my tail lights to camaro's every day.
7.73%
Screw 5.4, I'm going diesel 4cylinder.
1.36%
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Old Jun 10, 2009 | 12:50 PM
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you can only use 4.6 oil pans if you want it in your mustang. the timing procedure is the same as far as I know and you will need an 8 bolt flywheel.
 
Old Jun 10, 2009 | 03:31 PM
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the timing procedure is a little different on the 5.4 the 4.6 motor has an even amount of links so you just line up the gold links at opposite ends with the marks on the cams and on the crank. The 5.4 has an odd amount of links so you'll have one link marked on one side and two links marked on the other so you'd line the one mark with the crank and the mark on the cam would go between the two marked links it's not difficult just a little different
 
Old Jun 10, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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12 to 13 pounds...cool i could live with that for a little while.

yea if i have any questions ill be sure to ask...thanks
 
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by untamed03svt
hey guys so i decided to swap a 5.4 in my mustang, i bought one for 900, only to find out it is the npi 5.4, im doing the pi swap on it and had a question, is the timing process the same as the 4.6? what i mean is do you use the opposite chain links? Im just wondering because the chains are longer, might be different, and why would i need an 8 bolt flywheel? the engine is a windsor and my 4.6 is a romeo, which only has 6 bolts right?
Setting the timing chains on the 5.4 are a little different than on the 4.6 because of the added length. Just like on the 4.6, you orient the chains to find the opposite links, the bottom dot on the crank will line up with the copper link, but up top you need to split the timing dots in the middle of 2 chain links. The chain has one additional link from making it truly symmetric. You can kind of see what I am describing in this photo:
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Yes, you will need an 8-bolt flywheel, all 5.4's have an 8-bolt crank. Your Romeo 4.6 is 6-bolt and will not work.
 
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 07:49 AM
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do you take any step by step pictures when you installed the lightning set-up?
 
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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the 5.4 has an 8 bolt flywheel, or flexplate i dont know, when the guy removed the motor, the torque converter was on the flywheel,it was an automatic, and my car is an automatic, so i just mount the torque converter to the flywheel,and it should be it, right?

5.4 mustang with an automatic transmission? haha i just want a gt that can take most cars out there,for a D/D anyway, any body guess what my weekend toy is? just dont look at my display name.
 
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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alittle teaser.....

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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by untamed03svt
the 5.4 has an 8 bolt flywheel, or flexplate i dont know, when the guy removed the motor, the torque converter was on the flywheel,it was an automatic, and my car is an automatic, so i just mount the torque converter to the flywheel,and it should be it, right?

5.4 mustang with an automatic transmission? haha i just want a gt that can take most cars out there,for a D/D anyway, any body guess what my weekend toy is? just dont look at my display name.
Autos use flexplates, manuals use flywheels. And yes, you should be fine.
 
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 05:38 PM
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thats bad *** will, i cant wait!
 
Old Jun 11, 2009 | 11:09 PM
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Well guys I finally got a base tune in my 5.4 swapped gt I drove it around the block a few times I was really tempted to get on but I have a new clutch in it and the last time I got too trigger happy on a new clutch it came apart anyway I can't wait to feel all the new found torque you all talk about I'll keep you guys posted
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by myillwillinc
alittle teaser.....

What a great way to simulate the body, especially on the passenger side. That is the side with the least clearance, and will be the tightest to fit properly. I still plan to make myself a set of these over the winter. It will be quite a project to say the least. I was watching an episode of Trucks on Spike the other day and they used some weld sleeves to assist in the pipe alignment when modifying a set of headers. I finally found them on the web: http://www.streetperformance.com/par...-12101hkr.html
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 04:54 AM
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quick question i dont have adjustable timing gears are they absolutely necessary for degreeing my CMS stage 2s on the 5.4? i wouldnt think maybe 2 or 3 degrees at most maybe not even that would be to far off so far i just have it set with the timing mark in the middle of the 2 marked links on cam gears and the 1 marked link right on the tooth for the crank timing mark. but i have been known to be wrong so just want to make sure
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 04:55 AM
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as for the guy looking at the brand new flywheel go to ebay i got mine for 90$ with 10k miles on it.....
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 10:12 AM
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picking up a few things tonight:

Aeromotive A1000, twin 10micron filters, pump controller, weld-in sump
Aquamist Methanol injection kit (with a programmable controller)
new TB (I have 2 already but I'm making my own single blade from those, needed a stocker as a backup)
Griggs Tq arm (which will be for sale)
MM PHB (ditto on selling)
03 cobra IRS (selling)
Other stuff you'll just have to find out about later.
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 11:02 AM
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r3d, do u need the pump controller or is it just for your setup?
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 03:14 PM
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R3d, I thought you liked your TAPB combo?
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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I'm keeping mine... just picking up some spares for cheap, mostly to sell to you jokers on the cheap.

The controller...not sure. But it comes with the pump and filters so I won't bitch.
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 06:02 PM
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yes i took a fair amount of pictures and parts they are on conradkchris@myspace.com in the engine swap album, i swapped a 2003 cobra motor in my friends 04 gt i have that album on there with some pics to ,that is the cobra swap album
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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check out my new classified ad... swappers get special deals on most things.
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 08:26 PM
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i'm having trouble finding couplers for the oval Tb on a cobra/lightning. anyone have any good links or hookups?
 
Old Jun 12, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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Well that took forever! It took me a few hours last night and all day today to get through all 7190 posts.

I got turned onto this swap by Bob from HPS. I fly for a company in El Paso and HPS is working with my boss on his Top Alcohol dragster.

I don't have a car yet, but I'm planning on doing a quick and stock swap like myillwillinc's orginal 5.4 swap. I'm looking for a dirt cheap 96-98 and use a PI engine.

Thanks to all the guys on here for the awesome info!
 
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 10:56 AM
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***** are you talking about the silicone couplings? if so i got mine from c&L in alabama they only charged me like 12 bucks for the couplers and bands just tell them you need them for the oval tb
 
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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whick one is better: the oval tb and oval inlet pipe or oval tb and round inlet pipe where the coupler makes the transition?
 
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:34 AM
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im really not sure, maybe personal preference? me personally i have the razors edge motorsports huge 110mm oval intake its huge, but its only for lightnings,i found out about www.spectreperformance.com they have any pipe you need to make your own intake pipe ,and the quality is very nice
 
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:24 AM
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For your viewing pleasure. A while back a Memeber of the Crown Vic Board dropped a 5.4 SOHC into is 1997 Lincoln Town Car. Race weight was around the 4500lbs mark. The car had normal bolt on's and was N/A

http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/582024

Shows what these motors can really do.
 
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:25 AM
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i didn't see anything for a cobra or lightning on thier site. we sell spectre at oriellys, i'll look monday to see if the have anything.
 
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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does it matter if the flywheel says its for a 4.6? i found a couple of 8 bolt flywheels on ebay but jsut want to make sure
 
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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not at all.
 
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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perfectly.
 



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