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View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
Not swapping. You guys are nuts for trying.
1.82%
Not swapping but find the topic interesting.
12.73%
Thinking about doing the swap but not in the next year.
16.82%
Definitely going to do the swap in the next year or so.
25.45%
Doing it now. Looking for an engine or awaiting delivery.
15.45%
Doing it now. Already bought an engine.
18.64%
Done. Got my 5.4L and showin my tail lights to camaro's every day.
7.73%
Screw 5.4, I'm going diesel 4cylinder.
1.36%
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Morgan The Black
Why? The one I pulled off was a 2 piece but the one I got from randy was a 1 piece, and its in the car now.
ok, i had issues with the 1 piece one. but if it works on your car then good.
 
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Old 01-08-2009, 08:45 AM
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According to my Sean Hyland book, it's better to use the one piece gear since it won't shred the key. However, the latest rendition of it is set up for the latest rendition of the trigger wheel so if using it on an older car, the trigger wheel needs to changed as well.
 
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Old 01-08-2009, 08:50 AM
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you'll need a timing cover and timing set. Most/all of the rest transfers over.

BTW... spare parts list: going to have a set of ported RR adapter plates in the next few days, also have a set of coated FRPP headers.
 
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hey guys whats our stock spline? 28 or 31?
 
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:42 AM
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lol try a 10 spline in
 
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:40 AM
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lol, damn, so if i were to get an aluminum driveshaft id need to get one with a 10 spline input shaft?
 
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thanks red im just tryin to get all the info i can before i start that way it goes as smooth as possible. another question though will my imrc's work with my widened intake for the swap or would it be best to not install them and do the delete?
 
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:21 AM
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nope,
its a 10 spline in and a 28 spline out

Unless its a T-56, then its possibly a 28 in and a 31 out or a 10 spline in 21 out.. Unless im wrong... someone please correct me if i am
 
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:49 PM
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red...how much for the RR plates? What about the headers?
 
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnySVT
thanks red. i know you get asked this question everyday about but how much power and torque do you think my b headed 5.4 will make because i know you 2v guys are thrownin down some really impressive numbers. im also gonna have some headwork done while ive got them off. im gonna have the exhaust port raised, the bowls cleaned up a bit, and either a 3 or 5 angle valve job done. im either gonna run the ford gt or fr500 cams dont know which ones yet probably the ones with higher lift.
Don't buy cams based on lift as lift means very little to making power in a 4v; duration is far more important.

The FR500 cams have more lift than the GT cams but they come only in the FR500 cam kit (springs, followers, cams, valves). The GT cams have less duration than both the FR500s and the 96-98 cams, which would be a far better choice. (the 96-98s). However, all of these cams are too short on duration for a 5.4. A 5.4 needs a set of cams with at least 220 degrees duration, anything less and peak power will be low and occur at a very low rpm. 360rwhp without long tubes is achievable. Torque would be in the 350 range.

The exhaust ports do not need to be "raised", they only need opened up a bit and and both the intake and exhaust need a good bowl and short turn cleanup.

This link will give you more information on the 5.4 4v swap than you'll ever need: http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=867886
 

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Old 01-08-2009, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnySVT
thanks red im just tryin to get all the info i can before i start that way it goes as smooth as possible. another question though will my imrc's work with my widened intake for the swap or would it be best to not install them and do the delete?
Without a doubt, delete the IMRCs.
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 5.4vortech
lol, damn, so if i were to get an aluminum driveshaft id need to get one with a 10 spline input shaft?
no... that's the output shaft on the trans and the slip yoke on the drive shaft.

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red...how much for the RR plates? What about the headers?
300 for the plates shipped. for my shorties... 150 shipped.
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nope,
its a 10 spline in and a 28 spline out

Unless its a T-56, then its possibly a 28 in and a 31 out or a 10 spline in 21 out.. Unless im wrong... someone please correct me if i am
IIRC it's 26 in and 31 or 33 out on the t56's. otherwise looks right to me.
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:51 AM
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i cant seem to find the answer to my question. can the computer from 2005+ 4.6 3v be used on the 5.4 3v with just a new tune?
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:56 AM
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Do you have some pics of those shorties red?
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 00silvergt
i cant seem to find the answer to my question. can the computer from 2005+ 4.6 3v be used on the 5.4 3v with just a new tune?
yes
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Scrooloose
Do you have some pics of those shorties red?
somewhere. I'll see what I can find.
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by na svt
yes
should be a fairly easy swap then. my friend wrecked her f150. it has 5.4 3v if it costs too much to fix she might sell it to me cheap. so i would just need the computer i think. i would have the harness from the truck
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 00silvergt
should be a fairly easy swap then. my friend wrecked her f150. it has 5.4 3v if it costs too much to fix she might sell it to me cheap. so i would just need the computer i think. i would have the harness from the truck
You can use your 2v computer to control it. MMR makes a TB adapter so you can put a cobra TB on it and you are off to the races.
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:18 AM
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wouldnt i have that little problem with the VCT though? i read somewhere the other day online that if you use the cam gears from the V10 3v it should be ok. but i dont know if its true
 
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Originally Posted by 00silvergt
wouldnt i have that little problem with the VCT though? i read somewhere the other day online that if you use the cam gears from the V10 3v it should be ok. but i dont know if its true
You can use the gears from a 5.4 truck engine.

Check this out: http://www.modularmustangracing.com/....php?f=5&t=151
 

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Old 01-09-2009, 12:02 PM
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just cam gears, throttle body, and a tune. sounds too easy.
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 00silvergt
just cam gears, throttle body, and a tune. sounds too easy.
gotta love it and you can get adapters for LT headers from Logan Motorsports.
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:08 PM
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I was under the impression that 3v swaps also required lengthening of some of the wiring harnesses..
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by audikillsbmw
I was under the impression that 3v swaps also required lengthening of some of the wiring harnesses..
...a couple wires.
 
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Ah. So is the 3v swap "worth it" then, considering the fact that the parts aren't that much more? Obviously the HPS intake won't fit, but I recall someone saying that Bob might fab one up eventually.
 
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Screw doing a 5.4 swap.... THIS is what I should put in my P71
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...Q5fAccessories
How much more of a PITA would it be to throw one of those bad boys in?
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by audikillsbmw
Ah. So is the 3v swap "worth it" then, considering the fact that the parts aren't that much more? Obviously the HPS intake won't fit, but I recall someone saying that Bob might fab one up eventually.
that is in the plans as far as I know, though it'll be intended for 99-04's. Still, the 2v intakes have to sell quite a bit more units first (just to make back the investment). It makes for a nice upgrade for us 2v'ers down the road though.

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Screw doing a 5.4 swap.... THIS is what I should put in my P71
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...Q5fAccessories
How much more of a PITA would it be to throw one of those bad boys in?
the v10 uses a balance shaft and makes a poor performance engine, aside from the lack of cams, headers and any sort of useful intake manifold.
 
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True. What do they make in stock form though?
 
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awesome
 
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:43 PM
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Nevermind.. Found it. Stock 6.8 produces 305hp/420ft lbs at the crank. And I did find aftermarket headers for them, but they're only available as shorties. Not too many performance mods available, but it would still be pretty good with a bore and higher comp ratio. You're right about the intake though r3d.. Would have to be custom, otherwise it wouldn't fit under the stock hood. I'm sure they're are probably a million other issues as well. I do recall seeing a V10 Mustang at some point though. Wonder if they'd care to share how they did it..
 


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