what is involved in the swap, what needs to be done after you order the parts from Super Six? i just want to know how hard it is, and how much a shop charges for it, cause the shop i regularly go to won't do it.

(and i do know they have a parts kit for the single port - multiport swap)

 

The biggest things are that you need to drill and tap a hole for the 2nd coolant sensor as the 94-98 cars have 2 99-04 have one. This is not a big deal to do and I used the metal coolant crossover and was a simple task. Next is modding the fuel rail as the 94-98 cars are return fuel systems and 99-04 have returnless. You will have to cut both rails and use hose to mod them together to make them work. Again not a hard task to do at all and there is info on the web on this and people sell already modded ones ready to go, but again its simple and costs you only some rubber fuel hose and clamps. Next is there is some wiring that needs to be changed and spliced etc... there is info on this aswell and I will find all that later on for you if you want.

Over all if you can do some wiring like splicing, cutting, etc.., drill a hole for the coolant sensor, and do the fuel line mod over all its very simple just takes some time to complete.

 

If you have the intake and heads and 350 dollars laying around then you can by the swap kit from ssms and it will have all the crap you need including gaskets and a modded fuel rail and new head gaskets are expensive as it is so I don't think 350 is that big a price

 

Damn 350 for all that sounds like a lot to me.

 

It's not just those things I think it includes all the misc. parts you need to get the job done I'm sure it would cost less to find them all but I'm a impatient person

 

yeah, Super Six has all those parts ready to go on their garage sale section.it includes everything, even the fuel rails and injectors. i would also assume you can do this from your driveway. if i can convince my dad to help me, i can forgoe all the install costs from the mechanics...

EDIT: and if you wouldn't mind, spike, if you could get those documents you offered to get me, i would appreciate it.

 

Yeah I just gotta find them on 3.8mustang and v6power.net is where they are at if you wanna try to find them too. There is alot of good info on this swap and its defiantly doable in a driveway. Did Teal Beasts car in my garage on jackstands and that was doing a motor swap not just heads/intake. You might want to look into a better cam since your gonna be all the way down to it anyhow.

 

i was debating that also. i might as well do the whole thing, since it is gonna cost the same with or without the cam anyway.

 

hope it goes good for u leonide i was so getting excited about this till i found out how much money was really involved. i was planning on doing the work all myself but i think it is just a little too much money. if i had a 99 with split port heads already i would be there for sure. here are some links i was looking at just in case they help you on your journey. btw if you do go through with it let me know the total.

http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194551

http://www.vapauto.com/windstarinstall10.pdf

 

Here is the way I did the fuel rail mod with hoses and clamps so you do not need to spend alot of money to do it. I did not write this, but this is the same method I used and is still on Teal Beast car feeding 15psi of boost.

http://www.v6power.net/vb/showthread.php?t=19673

 

can you use the heads and lower intake off the windstar as well or do they have to be mustang or i have heard f150 also for heads

 

They have to be split port parts. Im not 100% on the windstar but the f150 is a yes.

 

found this on wikipedia so this sounds like 96 windstar has split port heads and if you had a 96 windstar 3.8l v6 you could use the heads and upper and lower intake?

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The 3.8 L (3797 cc/232 in³) model was introduced for the 1982 model year, first appearing as an option on the Ford Granada.
Bore was 96.8 mm (3.81 in) and stroke was 86 mm (3.39 in). Output was 112 hp (83 kW) at 4200 rpm and 175 lb·ft (237 N·m) of torque at 2800 rpm. It initially had a 2-barrel Motorcraft 2150 carburetor. Central Fuel Injection was made available in 1984. Output was 120 hp (89 kW) at 3600 rpm and 205 lb·ft (278 N·m) of torque at 1600 rpm in these models.
Multi-point fuel injection became standard in 1988. These engines put out 140 hp (104 kW) and 215 lb·ft (292 N·m) of torque.
A supercharged version was used in the 1989-95 Thunderbird Super Coupe and 1989-90 Cougar XR-7, producing up to 230 hp (171 kW) and 330 lb·ft (447 N·m).
The 1991-1995 Police Package Taurus, 1991-1994 Lincoln Continental and 1995 Ford Windstar had a high-output version with better cylinder heads and other modifications. It produced up to 160 hp (119 kW) and 220 - 230 lb·ft (298 - 312 N·m) of torque.
The split port cylinder heads were introduced on the 1996 Ford Windstar along with a variable length intake manifold with intake manifold runner control (IMRC) in the six shorter runners.
The Mustang version of the V6 was updated for 1999 to use the split port cylinder heads originally introduced on the Windstar. However 99-2000 Mustang did not use IMRC, instead leaving all 12 intake runners open at all times. Output increased to 190 hp (142 kW) at 5250 RPM and 220 lb·ft (298 N·m) of torque @ 2750 RPM,[1] With the addition of IMRC to Mustang in 2001 Ford reported the engine's output to be 193 hp (144 kW) @ 5500 RPM and 225 lb·ft (305 N·m) of torque @ 2800 RPM .[2]

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i so want this to be possible for me, it will just take a little time to piece together the parts. i am married with kids so i don't have a lot of money laying around. and if i can just worry about getting parts from one engine instead of two that will help me. it sounds though the lower intake might still have to come from a mustang because of the mustang not using imrc. any thoughts from some experienced motorheads?

 

With the windstar intake you have to use a bigger hood I would go with split port parts from a v6 mustang and then add exhaust and boost and have a fast street car. The only thing is I never hear of people running windstar heads for some reason.