View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
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#2251
cmon guys enough...
now then... the 220/370 car was bone stock everything with some bolt on stuff like a 75mm tb and a ported stock plenum, UDP's... stuff that ain't worth a damn to start with.
The 220/370 numbers came after a cursory tune. I can tell they didn't really have much time for optimizing cuz just a little tinkering can really uncork the power bottle. The mustang drivetrain isn't as power thirsty as the trucks so we show solid 15% better numbers than they do... usually more.
all my numbers are always rear wheel unless you see bhp after the number.
Saleen S330 had way more impressive numbers with just ported heads and a C&L upper. 289/361 is pretty meaty. He complained of a lack of any traction at all through 3rd gear with his 3.73's. I'd do 3.27 for a manual, or 3.55 for an auto. You'll have to learn to launch it... there's no getting around that much twist at such low speeds. It's always going to want to blow the tires off. It takes a lot of practice to be able to launch such a beast consistently.
You can have all the gear your heart desires.. I know guys taht love their 4.10's and make similar power to what we're aiming at where we're looking at it and they make no bones about traction being an everpresent concern. You really gotta watch a car closely that can spin em' in 3rd gear.
now then... the 220/370 car was bone stock everything with some bolt on stuff like a 75mm tb and a ported stock plenum, UDP's... stuff that ain't worth a damn to start with.
The 220/370 numbers came after a cursory tune. I can tell they didn't really have much time for optimizing cuz just a little tinkering can really uncork the power bottle. The mustang drivetrain isn't as power thirsty as the trucks so we show solid 15% better numbers than they do... usually more.
all my numbers are always rear wheel unless you see bhp after the number.
Saleen S330 had way more impressive numbers with just ported heads and a C&L upper. 289/361 is pretty meaty. He complained of a lack of any traction at all through 3rd gear with his 3.73's. I'd do 3.27 for a manual, or 3.55 for an auto. You'll have to learn to launch it... there's no getting around that much twist at such low speeds. It's always going to want to blow the tires off. It takes a lot of practice to be able to launch such a beast consistently.
You can have all the gear your heart desires.. I know guys taht love their 4.10's and make similar power to what we're aiming at where we're looking at it and they make no bones about traction being an everpresent concern. You really gotta watch a car closely that can spin em' in 3rd gear.
So after the heads and intake thing... he gained 60 or so hp and lost 10 ftlb... that don't seem right. I want a lot of torque, so i guess i would start out with the bones stock motor running threw the auto and 3.27s for now. So you think i should show 220/370 with a bigger t/b and u/d's... If so that would be killer to start with... then as bugget alows i would move to the heads and cams. So one question though... say for instance Saleen330 had patriot stage two heads right? well would it not help out more to get the stage 3 heads with the bigger intake valve? these motors need more valve right? Thanks
O and by the way ... i scrapped the dohc swap thing b/c i just had to relize that i don't have that kinda money laying around... right now i have way more important things to worry about. lol , so it will be slow going
#2252
So after the heads and intake thing... he gained 60 or so hp and lost 10 ftlb... that don't seem right. I want a lot of torque, so i guess i would start out with the bones stock motor running threw the auto and 3.27s for now. So you think i should show 220/370 with a bigger t/b and u/d's... If so that would be killer to start with... then as bugget alows i would move to the heads and cams. So one question though... say for instance Saleen330 had patriot stage two heads right? well would it not help out more to get the stage 3 heads with the bigger intake valve? these motors need more valve right? Thanks
O and by the way ... i scrapped the dohc swap thing b/c i just had to relize that i don't have that kinda money laying around... right now i have way more important things to worry about. lol , so it will be slow going
O and by the way ... i scrapped the dohc swap thing b/c i just had to relize that i don't have that kinda money laying around... right now i have way more important things to worry about. lol , so it will be slow going
The 5.4 brings more tq than you'll know what to do with in almost any configuration. Do as much as you can before you put it in the car. Once it's in there you can't even get the valve covers off without jockeying the motor around a bit.. or even dropping it entirely in some cases.
#2253
hey shady... would you consider selling me the hardware kit from your plates? I need a second set... mine seem to have grown legs.
btw... I'll let shady slide. He's been coming back for a while now. I don't think he's gotten the answers he was looking for on his 5.4 3v 96-97gt swap or he'd probably spend a lot more time here.
btw... I'll let shady slide. He's been coming back for a while now. I don't think he's gotten the answers he was looking for on his 5.4 3v 96-97gt swap or he'd probably spend a lot more time here.
#2254
Now: Since I've come to find out that we kinda left him hangin: let's see if we can't get the info he needs.
Shady: Please ask specific questions about your 3v swap and I will at least talk to my wrenches and see if I can't provide the info you need. Remember, it's NOT HARD. The whole swap is just a 3v swap. The bottom end and intake issues are going to be custom but I think we can get you in touch with the right people.
Shady: Please ask specific questions about your 3v swap and I will at least talk to my wrenches and see if I can't provide the info you need. Remember, it's NOT HARD. The whole swap is just a 3v swap. The bottom end and intake issues are going to be custom but I think we can get you in touch with the right people.
#2255
Now: Since I've come to find out that we kinda left him hangin: let's see if we can't get the info he needs.
Shady: Please ask specific questions about your 3v swap and I will at least talk to my wrenches and see if I can't provide the info you need. Remember, it's NOT HARD. The whole swap is just a 3v swap. The bottom end and intake issues are going to be custom but I think we can get you in touch with the right people.
Shady: Please ask specific questions about your 3v swap and I will at least talk to my wrenches and see if I can't provide the info you need. Remember, it's NOT HARD. The whole swap is just a 3v swap. The bottom end and intake issues are going to be custom but I think we can get you in touch with the right people.
I have done my share of homework on the 3v and if you are building a BUILT 3v motor vs a BUILT 2v motor - the 3v is a bit cheaper. VCT can be disabled by unplugging the noids and using adjustable cam gears. CMCV valves can be removed with a pair of CMCV plates, although on a 5.4 I would reccomend making a custom set of adapter/CMCV plates to address the additional width of the 5.4 block vs the 4.6 intake.
I don't like the 5.4 3v intake, not one bit.
#2260
His tune wasn't 100% with those numbers. There were still fuel curve and timing optimizations that could have bumped both sides a bit. He gained an unknown number. There's no way of knowing if his motor would have made 220 with stock heads. Nonetheless he did see substantial gains from just the porting... probably at minimum 15-20rwhp by my estimation. Stage 3 would be even better... hell a race port wouldn't be too bad considering the starting point. I think a better tune would have made things much more interesting.
The 5.4 brings more tq than you'll know what to do with in almost any configuration. Do as much as you can before you put it in the car. Once it's in there you can't even get the valve covers off without jockeying the motor around a bit.. or even dropping it entirely in some cases.
The 5.4 brings more tq than you'll know what to do with in almost any configuration. Do as much as you can before you put it in the car. Once it's in there you can't even get the valve covers off without jockeying the motor around a bit.. or even dropping it entirely in some cases.
So you can't pull the covers on the 5.4? hmmm that sucks.
#2261
pull the brake booster and you may be able to get that one off...
the magazine article car made 220 with bone stock motor and bolt-ons. Saleens car was much stronger with just ported heads. The roush around here used a stock bottom end with a pretty radical top side. He could have seen 350rwhp with a better intake design.
the magazine article car made 220 with bone stock motor and bolt-ons. Saleens car was much stronger with just ported heads. The roush around here used a stock bottom end with a pretty radical top side. He could have seen 350rwhp with a better intake design.
#2263
yea voidfinger
so would you still have to pull the booster if you have a hydrobooster brake setup? One more thing too, some said that if you go with the adapter plates then it will mess up your spray pattern for the injectors ? could you talk about that please?
O and i'm wondering...i've seen a pi swapped 98 make 24x something hp to the wheel with just an off road h and cat back "stock heads, intake, and cam"... so would the 5.4 make less hp? that just don't seem right.
so would you still have to pull the booster if you have a hydrobooster brake setup? One more thing too, some said that if you go with the adapter plates then it will mess up your spray pattern for the injectors ? could you talk about that please?
O and i'm wondering...i've seen a pi swapped 98 make 24x something hp to the wheel with just an off road h and cat back "stock heads, intake, and cam"... so would the 5.4 make less hp? that just don't seem right.
#2264
so far here is what mine has:
bored .020"( fully forged internals)
pi heads port matched
comp cams 270's
bigger stainless steel valves
adapters matched to intake/head
electric water pump
90mm maf
70mm tb
c&l plenum
cai/K&N
39lbs injectors
kirben fpr
frpp shorty headers
bbk off-road x-pipe
flowmaster(dumped after mufflers)
aluminum flywheel
steeda UDP and timing adjuster
msd coil paks and 8.5mm race wires
egr delete kit
if this doesn't give me some decent numbers, i'm gonna just run myself over....
bored .020"( fully forged internals)
pi heads port matched
comp cams 270's
bigger stainless steel valves
adapters matched to intake/head
electric water pump
90mm maf
70mm tb
c&l plenum
cai/K&N
39lbs injectors
kirben fpr
frpp shorty headers
bbk off-road x-pipe
flowmaster(dumped after mufflers)
aluminum flywheel
steeda UDP and timing adjuster
msd coil paks and 8.5mm race wires
egr delete kit
if this doesn't give me some decent numbers, i'm gonna just run myself over....
#2268
#1 Reichard Racing
http://www.reichardracing.com
#2 Hi Performance Solutions
http://hiperformancesolutions.com/
Neither one lists the exact part on their sites you just have to call and ask! I would go with the HPS adapter plates as they are an improved design over the RR plates.
#2269
so would you still have to pull the booster if you have a hydrobooster brake setup? One more thing too, some said that if you go with the adapter plates then it will mess up your spray pattern for the injectors ? could you talk about that please?
O and i'm wondering...i've seen a pi swapped 98 make 24x something hp to the wheel with just an off road h and cat back "stock heads, intake, and cam"... so would the 5.4 make less hp? that just don't seem right.
O and i'm wondering...i've seen a pi swapped 98 make 24x something hp to the wheel with just an off road h and cat back "stock heads, intake, and cam"... so would the 5.4 make less hp? that just don't seem right.
#2270
I'm not Red but I throw in my .02
If a 4.6 is making 240rwhp and you swap just the short block of a 5.4 you will gain horsepower (with a tune otherwise it will run crazy lean). There is no replacement for displacement, more displacement the more horsepower. Now I could see you maybe gaining only a few horsepower due to the adapter plates maybe, but it should definitely increase. We haven't really seen enough swaps yet to know how the 5.4 will react in all cases.
If a 4.6 is making 240rwhp and you swap just the short block of a 5.4 you will gain horsepower (with a tune otherwise it will run crazy lean). There is no replacement for displacement, more displacement the more horsepower. Now I could see you maybe gaining only a few horsepower due to the adapter plates maybe, but it should definitely increase. We haven't really seen enough swaps yet to know how the 5.4 will react in all cases.
#2271
I'm not Red but I throw in my .02
If a 4.6 is making 240rwhp and you swap just the short block of a 5.4 you will gain horsepower (with a tune otherwise it will run crazy lean). There is no replacement for displacement, more displacement the more horsepower. Now I could see you maybe gaining only a few horsepower due to the adapter plates maybe, but it should definitely increase. We haven't really seen enough swaps yet to know how the 5.4 will react in all cases.
If a 4.6 is making 240rwhp and you swap just the short block of a 5.4 you will gain horsepower (with a tune otherwise it will run crazy lean). There is no replacement for displacement, more displacement the more horsepower. Now I could see you maybe gaining only a few horsepower due to the adapter plates maybe, but it should definitely increase. We haven't really seen enough swaps yet to know how the 5.4 will react in all cases.
Above all, we all need to keep in mind that if you're swapping in a box stock 5.4, then don't expect the moon in hp... expect the Sun in TORQUE. Expect that everything you do after the swap as far as bolt-on's will be just as worth it.
Once we see what myillwill and I get out of ours we'll know what you can reasonably expect. I think we'll both end up with early to mid 300's for hp and high 300's for tq.
#2273
Latest porting pics of intake:
All the runner exits have been shaped, major material removal is complete, now it's down to some finish work which I'm tackling daily. I need to complete the job before the install date. I'm hoping for install any week now.
All the runner exits have been shaped, major material removal is complete, now it's down to some finish work which I'm tackling daily. I need to complete the job before the install date. I'm hoping for install any week now.
#2275
outstanding.. hey... are you interested in side by side testing my HPS intake on your combo?
If you'll split the shipping with me I'll let you borrow it for your test. If it does good things, I'll port one for you @ no charge (you'll have to buy your own intake... but you're pretty skilled so you could also probably port your own).
If you'll split the shipping with me I'll let you borrow it for your test. If it does good things, I'll port one for you @ no charge (you'll have to buy your own intake... but you're pretty skilled so you could also probably port your own).
#2276
i'm willing to test yours next to my pi intake/adapters but after i get heron the road i think i'm going for the lightning lower custom intake, i think it would cost less to just spend my time and money on it and leave what i have on it while working on the custom one. i want long tubes and a intake before october...
#2279
it still needs plates. It's custom ported for 5.4 use but not a specific 5.4 intake. The plates aren't a big detractor with the new design. They'll flow.
BTW... anyone that hasn't yet needs to buy their plates from HPS. If you get them there Bob will work with you on the intake and if you get both from HPS I'll port your plates for 50 bones and your intake for a great price.
BTW... anyone that hasn't yet needs to buy their plates from HPS. If you get them there Bob will work with you on the intake and if you get both from HPS I'll port your plates for 50 bones and your intake for a great price.
#2280
didn't think the plates needed porting? or is the intake that much more ported ?
So one more question. Say with the stock heads and cams, what would the effective rpm range be? would it do good till 5500? also what about with some vt 2's?
So one more question. Say with the stock heads and cams, what would the effective rpm range be? would it do good till 5500? also what about with some vt 2's?