View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
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#9721
Just got off the phone with Bob at HPS. Looks like we'll be making some brackets. They're going to be a small run part and machined, not cast so it won't be super cheap but it'll fit.
I need someone that has access to more than 1 year of 2v front cover (and any 3v and 4v covers you can access) to make an outline of the covers on butcher paper and mail that to me. Volunteers? This will help get the brackets set up so they mount in a good spot regardless of the year of your front cover. And if we're lucky we might be able to make a bracket that fits 3v and 4v's too.
Anyone with a centri on their 5.4 is hereby commanded to post pics showing close ups of the bracket where possible.
I need someone that has access to more than 1 year of 2v front cover (and any 3v and 4v covers you can access) to make an outline of the covers on butcher paper and mail that to me. Volunteers? This will help get the brackets set up so they mount in a good spot regardless of the year of your front cover. And if we're lucky we might be able to make a bracket that fits 3v and 4v's too.
Anyone with a centri on their 5.4 is hereby commanded to post pics showing close ups of the bracket where possible.
#9723
if your looking for a really nice nitrous kit, i have a direct port nib i'll sell you cheaper ten you can find elsewhere # 08100NOS
#9724
I'm debating throwing out the idea of a 4v and buying some tfs heads and running those with the typical HPS intake. I would be able to save myself a lot of headaches but I'd be giving up a little power that could be made up somewhere else I suppose.
Can somebody convince me to either stick with my current plan or sway my decision one way or the other. Maybe post some n/a 5.4 TFS headed numbers to compare with. I know what my setup is capable and if I feel like I can make myself happy with a 2v setup, I may just have to go back. Everything from cams to valvesprings to porting will be cheaper.
Can somebody convince me to either stick with my current plan or sway my decision one way or the other. Maybe post some n/a 5.4 TFS headed numbers to compare with. I know what my setup is capable and if I feel like I can make myself happy with a 2v setup, I may just have to go back. Everything from cams to valvesprings to porting will be cheaper.
I personally like sticking with 2v's in 2v cars and 4v's in 4v cars. It's just easier.
ok on the shorties, was hesitant on FTP as their site has been down for a while, got the BBK shorties and Xpipe cheap so no loss there
Nitrous is going to be an option if I cant get the numbers im shooting for
I know with the power on the TVS will be monster on low end but im hoping that it would be tame enough on low end to at least get moving (going for drag radials on the rear anyways) and not have to go that low on the gears I like how the car seems with 3.73s but know that adding 400 rwhp will change alot.
Tranny should be strong enough, I have a T-56 Viper spec. I think that it should be close to holding it as long as im careful on the drag launches.
Cams are on hold right now will be ordering as soon as the shop gets a chance to go through my parts.
Rear end is already on the list, looking at moser 31 spline axles with a ford racing torsen diff. Torque reinforcements and bracing is on the way.
Im building the engine for the power but will probably keep the boost a little lower till I get everything worked out on how its going to hold up.
Nitrous is going to be an option if I cant get the numbers im shooting for
I know with the power on the TVS will be monster on low end but im hoping that it would be tame enough on low end to at least get moving (going for drag radials on the rear anyways) and not have to go that low on the gears I like how the car seems with 3.73s but know that adding 400 rwhp will change alot.
Tranny should be strong enough, I have a T-56 Viper spec. I think that it should be close to holding it as long as im careful on the drag launches.
Cams are on hold right now will be ordering as soon as the shop gets a chance to go through my parts.
Rear end is already on the list, looking at moser 31 spline axles with a ford racing torsen diff. Torque reinforcements and bracing is on the way.
Im building the engine for the power but will probably keep the boost a little lower till I get everything worked out on how its going to hold up.
The best part about a blower is it won't make boost until you get your foot in it a little bit. You'll be able to take off from stop lights and deal with traffic jams and stuff just like always. 3.73 gears actually help a bit there. It's the launches on the street that they make life interesting on.
#9728
Been AWOL for a while guys sorry.
Minor update on my car: found a guy with a vortech V-2 on his 5.4...he just used the early (96-97ish) timing cover off of the 5.4 and the 96-99 vortech kit bolted right up. Go figure.
At any rate I bought the kit from him, and were swapping timing covers, injector, and some other small parts and hes throwing in the FMIC and power pipe so he can sell his car N/A....on 6PSI stock 5.4 engine with the vortech he was making 390/400. Im excited to see what mine will throw down, I know the cams will probably kill me but Ill deal with that when i switch to TFS heads.
Minor update on my car: found a guy with a vortech V-2 on his 5.4...he just used the early (96-97ish) timing cover off of the 5.4 and the 96-99 vortech kit bolted right up. Go figure.
At any rate I bought the kit from him, and were swapping timing covers, injector, and some other small parts and hes throwing in the FMIC and power pipe so he can sell his car N/A....on 6PSI stock 5.4 engine with the vortech he was making 390/400. Im excited to see what mine will throw down, I know the cams will probably kill me but Ill deal with that when i switch to TFS heads.
#9732
Been a while since I've been on. Got the 5.4 finished and broke in. Its at the dyno right now and just put down 343 hp/365 tq to the rears. Have yet to add some timing and having a transittion problem at 2500 rpms. End all be all I'm looking for 350/380...next week we'll see.
#9733
redneck, just got back on here, i've been busy at work.. my car is sitting without a engine in it now, im still looking for one, believe it or not, where im from(Houston Tx), they are not the easy to come by.. im hoping to get the intake now, i've had some time to save up some cash, if i can find a 5.4 2v motor that runs for under $700 i would be good to go, but unfortunatly, i havent been able to find that yet.. and im thinkin about runnin NOS.. how hard would that be? i ordered injectors already, got that out the way..
#9734
and also, how can i tell if i have PI heads on my 4.6? will 4.6 PI heads bolt up to a 5.4l? and if i dont have them, what years/models would have them?
are the 5.4l PI heads?
and one more thing, what are good cams to go with on the 5.4?
sorry for all the questions, i just wanna get it done right..
are the 5.4l PI heads?
and one more thing, what are good cams to go with on the 5.4?
sorry for all the questions, i just wanna get it done right..
#9735
and also, how can i tell if i have PI heads on my 4.6? will 4.6 PI heads bolt up to a 5.4l? and if i dont have them, what years/models would have them?
are the 5.4l PI heads?
and one more thing, what are good cams to go with on the 5.4?
sorry for all the questions, i just wanna get it done right..
are the 5.4l PI heads?
and one more thing, what are good cams to go with on the 5.4?
sorry for all the questions, i just wanna get it done right..
#9736
redneck, just got back on here, i've been busy at work.. my car is sitting without a engine in it now, im still looking for one, believe it or not, where im from(Houston Tx), they are not the easy to come by.. im hoping to get the intake now, i've had some time to save up some cash, if i can find a 5.4 2v motor that runs for under $700 i would be good to go, but unfortunatly, i havent been able to find that yet.. and im thinkin about runnin NOS.. how hard would that be? i ordered injectors already, got that out the way..
Call up bob at www.hiperformancesolutions.com and get your intake. For the motor, jump on www.car-part.com and find one. It's a lot easier to search all the dismantlers at once.
What injectors did you get?
Nitrous is easy as pie to set up but if you're putting a power adder on the car make sure you fortify the bottom end with some h-beams (or I-beams) from www.themustangdepot.com call them and tell them I sent you (the guy that sends all the 5.4 people there). New rods and h-series bearings and you're good to go for a mild nitrous car (125hp is fine with a solid tune, DO NOT SPRAY BELOW 3K RPM with the HPS intake). The rods are 300 bucks but at least you won't have to buy another motor as soon. If you want to use the stock bottom end, I recommend against big hits. Keep it at 75hp. The stock rods give up all sudden like and kinda arbitrarily. No need to tempt fate till you have a built motor ready.
and also, how can i tell if i have PI heads on my 4.6? will 4.6 PI heads bolt up to a 5.4l? and if i dont have them, what years/models would have them?
are the 5.4l PI heads?
and one more thing, what are good cams to go with on the 5.4?
sorry for all the questions, i just wanna get it done right..
are the 5.4l PI heads?
and one more thing, what are good cams to go with on the 5.4?
sorry for all the questions, i just wanna get it done right..
cams, MHS stage 3 5.4 cams should be nice.
99-04 stangs have PI heads, they literally say PI on the heads. Go with a cam setup that is a step higher than what you would have gone with on the 4.6. The PI heads bolt right to the 5.4 block with 0 issues, that is what most used from the factory, the early ones had NPI heads, but they are pretty hard to come by these days.
#9737
Since long tube headers seem to be either extremely expensive or cause fitment issues with this swap, I was just wondering if the Bassani Mid-Length headers would fit???
Let's say a car has a tubular K-memberwould the Mid-lengths fit and offer better performance over the shorties??
Let's say a car has a tubular K-memberwould the Mid-lengths fit and offer better performance over the shorties??
#9738
they'll need to be modified in all probability. Fitment shouldn't be that big a deal with them but they're still going to need modding. It's not really about the k-member as much as it is the frame rails.
#9741
Awesome. My internals were supposed to come yesterday, but I wasn't home to sign for them so maybe they will show up today before I leave for work.
#9742
Hey guys, been looking to swap recently and have read a few different things and now im kinda confused. I was looking to put in a 4v 5.4 from a 99+ navi, and maybe run some spray on it. Since i thought the 4R70W fits right up, i figured id put a j-mod, trans cooler, and maybe a stall converter on it. However, ive heard from one or two people that the 4R wont bolt directly up to the 5.4. And when it comes to rods and internals, whats the difference between them all? I know obviously forged is best, but other than that internal wise idk. Any info appreciated.
#9743
tranny bolts up just fine. Don't listen to idiots. (EDIT: you'll need a proper 8 bolt flexplate if yours is 6-bolt) You might want an upgraded input shaft... there's a lot of tq in the 5.4, especially with spray. If you're going to put a different converter on it make sure that the maker knows your combo will be really nasty torque-y at low rpm's.
replace the rods, keep the pistons, upgrade the bearings to h-series, add ARP main and head studs and OEM ford MLS head gaskets. Figure out your intake manifold solution now. Reichard 4v adapters and a 01 cobra intake should be a nice setup with a stage 2 or 3 cam set. Get the cams. You'll thank me later.
www.themustangdepot.com for rods.
EDIT: If you're going to go 5.4 on your v6, sell the v6 and buy my car. You'll get all the suspension and brakes and other goodies and a built bottom end and you can sell the heads/intake/cams/headers to other swappers to help balance the cost. It'll cost less in the end and take way less time. ( You could also have new flanges put on my headers and then have 4v longtubes for cheap). A 5.4 4v swap + tranny + rear end + fuel system + tuning + extra bits = a **** ton of money. More than the 10K I'm asking and I'll drive my car to you to make it super easy. To make mine a 4v is just a head/cam/intake/front cover swap. Much easier. And I have a 800 dollar clutch package already on the car that you'd definitely need and it comes with a nitrous kit.
replace the rods, keep the pistons, upgrade the bearings to h-series, add ARP main and head studs and OEM ford MLS head gaskets. Figure out your intake manifold solution now. Reichard 4v adapters and a 01 cobra intake should be a nice setup with a stage 2 or 3 cam set. Get the cams. You'll thank me later.
www.themustangdepot.com for rods.
EDIT: If you're going to go 5.4 on your v6, sell the v6 and buy my car. You'll get all the suspension and brakes and other goodies and a built bottom end and you can sell the heads/intake/cams/headers to other swappers to help balance the cost. It'll cost less in the end and take way less time. ( You could also have new flanges put on my headers and then have 4v longtubes for cheap). A 5.4 4v swap + tranny + rear end + fuel system + tuning + extra bits = a **** ton of money. More than the 10K I'm asking and I'll drive my car to you to make it super easy. To make mine a 4v is just a head/cam/intake/front cover swap. Much easier. And I have a 800 dollar clutch package already on the car that you'd definitely need and it comes with a nitrous kit.
Last edited by r3dn3ck; 09-15-2010 at 01:47 PM.
#9746
it's just a good bit more expensive.. you can get (unported) 4v power from a 2v with TFS heads and a good cam. Otherwise, it's just a 4v swap. Bring your visa card. Everything costs double.
#9747
Dont intake adapters have a tendency to be leaky? Or was that the 2v adapter plates? And im assuming because you said to change the pushrods and not the pistons, that the pistons will hold up, just not the other things you listed? As sick as your car is red, in all honesty i could never afford it, or sell my V6 which id love to do. Especially considering its a convert. Its not actually all my car, was given to me by parents and they wont want it sold. How much does it take to make a 5.4 4v work, the cheapest way, then smartest way? And then how much do you think it would take to get 400 N/A? Im considering either, throwing it in there ASAP, or taking my time and building the motor to make real power beforehand.
#9748
Hey guys, been looking to swap recently and have read a few different things and now im kinda confused. I was looking to put in a 4v 5.4 from a 99+ navi, and maybe run some spray on it. Since i thought the 4R70W fits right up, i figured id put a j-mod, trans cooler, and maybe a stall converter on it. However, ive heard from one or two people that the 4R wont bolt directly up to the 5.4. And when it comes to rods and internals, whats the difference between them all? I know obviously forged is best, but other than that internal wise idk. Any info appreciated.
#9749
4v adapters are a little different than 2v thanks to smaller angle changes. Leak issues will still be present but less so.
if you want 400rwhp NA, break out about $9K-$12K, come over to my house and we'll get started on it. You'll need ported TFS or ported 4v heads, a FAT cam set, a ported HPS or Boss 5.4 intake manifold and longtubes, twin bore TB, 90mm MAF, big CAI, windage tray and a really good balance job. We'll need to get the motor singing up around 6800rpm. The TFS head combo might not make it all the way there but it'll be within spitting distance if you pick the right parts.
if you want 400rwhp NA, break out about $9K-$12K, come over to my house and we'll get started on it. You'll need ported TFS or ported 4v heads, a FAT cam set, a ported HPS or Boss 5.4 intake manifold and longtubes, twin bore TB, 90mm MAF, big CAI, windage tray and a really good balance job. We'll need to get the motor singing up around 6800rpm. The TFS head combo might not make it all the way there but it'll be within spitting distance if you pick the right parts.
#9750
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