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Old 02-11-2007, 10:50 AM
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Regardless of their party affiliation or views, in general is America ready to elect a minority or woman President??

THIS IS NOT A OBAMA OR CLINTON THREAD....JUST A GENERAL QUESTION.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:54 AM
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i dunno if we're ready but Clinton is surely a great canidate to run for president. probably the only woman right now that i would somewhat trust with the Gov't. the only question i have, is it really gonna be hilary really running the Govt or is it Bill? ya know?
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I honestly think major East and West Coast and some major cities in the Mid-West wouldn't have a problem with electing a minority or woman president, but I'm not sure the rest of the country is ready for that.
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I think the country is more than ready, especially given the record of the Old Boys network that exists currently in D.C. I voted for Bill Clinton twice and knew I'd be voting for Hillary when she finally ran for the office. As for who'd actually be in charge if Hillary was elected, I think Hillary can hold her own against anyone, besides, having a former President as your partner in office isn't a bad idea.
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Hillary is un-electible, but she will have a big impact on the elections. The Dems will make the same misstake they always do and move too far to the left. I fyou want to win the election, you have to pick a candidate that can win....not just get the nomination.
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Old 02-11-2007, 12:59 PM
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I'm sure as hell not voting for Hilary or Obama....

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Since these are two Dem. nominations I'll look at it from the dem stand point...

Obama I think is a bit young, and maybe too exotic to grab swing voters, but I think it would be a positive image on the global scale. so Not really for Obama

Hilary I think has a pretty good chance for the nomination, partly because Dem.'s LOVE Clinton's...as for her swing appeal its pretty much up to how she comes off. Alota people have made up their mind about her, either they love her or hate her...
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The Republicans have left the door wide open for the White House, but the Dems are gonna screw-up the opportunity by going too far to the left.

To combat this, the Rebs are moving to the center with their leading contenders and as a result, will get a lot of the old "Reagan Democrat" votes. Meanwhile, the Democrats will have a hard time getting any votes with the Obama or Clinton from the Republicans.

If you will note. Hillary has softened some of her positions over the past year as she gets ready for this move.

Also, the Liberals while they have been firmly against the War, have no solution because really none exists. That will weaken their platform and during the primaries this will become extremely obvious as all the candidates will beat up on eachother with their own deas.

The perfect candidate that the Dems have is Lieberman from a position standpoint. However, as a Jew, he can't make a serious run at it. But is platform is a perfect winning solution for the Democrats.
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The Republicans have left the door wide open for the White House, but the Dems are gonna screw-up the opportunity by going too far to the left.

To combat this, the Rebs are moving to the center with their leading contenders and as a result, will get a lot of the old "Reagan Democrat" votes. Meanwhile, the Democrats will have a hard time getting any votes with the Obama or Clinton from the Republicans.

If you will note. Hillary has softened some of her positions over the past year as she gets ready for this move.

Also, the Liberals while they have been firmly against the War, have no solution because really none exists. That will weaken their platform and during the primaries this will become extremely obvious as all the candidates will beat up on eachother with their own deas.

The perfect candidate that the Dems have is Lieberman from a position standpoint. However, as a Jew, he can't make a serious run at it. But is platform is a perfect winning solution for the Democrats.
not to bust your ***** or anything but R U CRAZY? Lieberman...come on bro, your not serious? Lieberman isn't in a good possition at all.

And why is it that the Dem's always have to screw up, or that they only win when rep. don't... what is this the Fox news network... the problem with the rep. platform is that after 8 yrs you have to run a campain based on what you've acomplished and America just voted a couple months ago saying they didn't approve of that. It really has become a joke how corrupt many members of the Rep. party have been. From interns to fraud conspiracy I just don't take the party seriously... It'll be interesting to see who gets nominated from the Rep. party...honestly I would love to see John McCain go for it, he's one of the few guys I would trust...
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I'm sure as hell not voting for Hilary or Obama....

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well, having read several of your posts in the past I would have bet a million dollars on that one.

Anyway, this thread wasn't intended to be an Obama or Clinton for President thread....it was just a general question, but you guys took the easy route and went right for Obama and Clinton.
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Hilary has done it once,and not well.
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I'm sure as hell not voting for Hilary or Obama....

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not to bust your ***** or anything but R U CRAZY? Lieberman...come on bro, your not serious? Lieberman isn't in a good possition at all.

And why is it that the Dem's always have to screw up, or that they only win when rep. don't... what is this the Fox news network... the problem with the rep. platform is that after 8 yrs you have to run a campain based on what you've acomplished and America just voted a couple months ago saying they didn't approve of that. It really has become a joke how corrupt many members of the Rep. party have been. From interns to fraud conspiracy I just don't take the party seriously... It'll be interesting to see who gets nominated from the Rep. party...honestly I would love to see John McCain go for it, he's one of the few guys I would trust...
Water is 100% dead on man. Bush has single handedly caused a major swing in the house and senate. But the dems are shooting themselves in the foot with the presidential nomination. Clinton has very little if any shot at winning, she is too far left to get any republican support and probably very little swing vote.

The two main Republican candidates are McCain and Guiliana, both of which would annialate Clinton and imo both would do a far better job.

I dont think other than ignorant redneck idiots that most people would not object to either a woman or a minority president, but I would never vote for Clinton and I think Obama would be a good choice in 2012 or 2016. He is far too young and inexperinced to be president.
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Water is 100% dead on man. Bush has single handedly caused a major swing in the house and senate. But the dems are shooting themselves in the foot with the presidential nomination. Clinton has very little if any shot at winning, she is too far left to get any republican support and probably very little swing vote.

The two main Republican candidates are McCain and Guiliana, both of which would annialate Clinton and imo both would do a far better job.

I dont think other than ignorant redneck idiots that most people would not object to either a woman or a minority president, but I would never vote for Clinton and I think Obama would be a good choice in 2012 or 2016. He is far too young and inexperinced to be president.
Bush hasn't single handedly done that. That fact is most Americans are to ball less to finish this thing. Hell,were just dumb.We voted Slick ***** in two times.
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not to bust your ***** or anything but R U CRAZY? Lieberman...come on bro, your not serious? Lieberman isn't in a good possition at all.

And why is it that the Dem's always have to screw up, or that they only win when rep. don't... what is this the Fox news network... the problem with the rep. platform is that after 8 yrs you have to run a campain based on what you've acomplished and America just voted a couple months ago saying they didn't approve of that. It really has become a joke how corrupt many members of the Rep. party have been. From interns to fraud conspiracy I just don't take the party seriously... It'll be interesting to see who gets nominated from the Rep. party...honestly I would love to see John McCain go for it, he's one of the few guys I would trust...
Hey....read my post again. I said "....from a POSITION standpoint". I never said the guy would win, in fact, I said he would not. BUT, his positions are generally viewed as not being liberal, but in fact, even conservative. His positions would put the Dem party in a great position if they would nominate someone like him.
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Bush hasn't single handedly done that. That fact is most Americans are to ball less to finish this thing. Hell,were just dumb.We voted Slick ***** in two times.
No, actually Bush has done this on his own. Remember, perception is reality. The root causes don't matter, or the fact that even if the Dems had the White House right now would we be in any different position, but the fact is, it is Bush's policies....he is the man at the helm and will take the blow for it.

Want to see the guy get thrown under the bus??? Wait for the elections to draw near and see the Rep candidates run from Bush. In fact is Bush is smart, he won't endorse a candidate. This is the same position that Clinton found himself in 8 years ago.
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Bush hasn't single handedly done that. That fact is most Americans are to ball less to finish this thing. Hell,were just dumb.We voted Slick ***** in two times.
I think your right, we are dumb....we voted Bush in twice. If you think the swing in Congress isn't because of President Bush then your blind and deaf. And please tell me what "finish this thing" means? Does it mean that we stay there and fight for 20 more years? I don't have the answer and I don't think you do either, but it seems to me that if we continue to do what we are doing now we'll be there forever.

I was at a US Veterans Affairs hearing all day on Friday because they are going to possibly close one of our VA hospitals and there were two women that couldn't have been older than 25 who were on breathing machines and wheelchairs because they couldn't walk anymore. They both spoke in favor of keeping the hospital open, but I kept thinking to myself....what in the F*** are we doing in Iraq that these two women have their life ruined...... I mean seriously....WTF are we doing? Please don't tell me fighting terrorism there rather than here because that's crap.

Since we are kind of getting off the topic of what the original question was I'll go along with it also.....I've only voted Democrat since I was 18, and quite frankly I'm not sure that I like Hillary, I like Obama, but I don't think he's ready. To be honest, I actually kinda like Giuliani. He's somewhat ok on social issues, but fiscally conservative, which I'm ok with. However, I don't think HARDCORE Republicans like him very much because he's not enough a Jesus freak. However, I think he would get some Dems to vote for him.

All I ask in our next President is that he/she is more in tune with social issues for what they are rather than what's in the bible....it's ok to have faith, but don't base your decisions effecting the entire country on your faith, but what the information states.
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I dont think other than ignorant redneck idiots that most people would not object to either a woman or a minority president, but I would never vote for Clinton and I think Obama would be a good choice in 2012 or 2016. He is far too young and inexperinced to be president.
Well, call me an ignorant redneck idiot then....

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Thanks for the props on the car. I finally being able to enjoy it myself a little bit after 3 months of downtime, but that is a whole other story...

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A thread worthy of being posted in....

Anyways Obama and CLinton got nothing i'm sorry to say they are there for show and to make the election intresting do they have anything to offer our govermant hells no they dont, have you seen anything they have been doing to be seen Hilary is going around trying to get on people's good side and for me personally I think shes a nut grabber for all I care.

There are certain things I look for in a president in this time and age. Fair, doesnt do dumb s***, takes into account for actions, also and I hate to say this but it's true they NEED a military background, i'll explain myself right now were in a conflict that wont resolve anytime soon military people have a understanding of security and what needs to be done on foreign soil at the same time they need to be conservative in this aspect.

I'm dead set on McCain I hope he runs, last time he ran my heart sank when he through in the towel because of a medical issue. So far he is the only one that can actually stand back and go whats going on and what needs to be done. More than enough experience in that man than Edwards, Hilary, Obama combined.
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Bush hasn't single handedly done that. That fact is most Americans are to ball less to finish this thing. Hell,were just dumb.We voted Slick ***** in two times.
Oh he absolutely has man, and dont think I am a lefty liberal because I am not. I voted for Bush twice. He did pretty well in his first term, but in the second he has seemed to get arrogant and think that what he feels best is what the people and the rest of the world want. Well its not.

Now the libs blame Bush for everything imaginable which is just silly. Most of the things that Bush has done where done in every presidancy such as wire taps, spying, etc.

Bush needed to formulate an exit strategy years ago, but even now since we have been in the war on terror we still have no idea of how or when its going to end. That being said it seems to me that most liberal candidates continually bitch about Iraq and Bush, but none seem to propose any ideas or solutions on how to make it better.

I think in alot of cases liberals seem to be all talk, but the people have spoken and even conservatives and most swing votres are voting againts republicans.

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Well, call me an ignorant redneck idiot then....

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If said candidate is the best, what valid reason other than being sexist and racist would you have for not voting someone in? Its kinda sad that this still exists today.
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Well, call me an ignorant redneck idiot then....

Scott
So just to be clear so everyone knows where your coming from.....you wouldn't vote for a person because the color or their skin or woman?

This is kinda why I posted this thread....I think there are still lots of people out there who think like Tangerine and I'm sorry to say it's just flat out sad.
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I'm dead set on McCain I hope he runs, last time he ran my heart sank when he through in the towel because of a medical issue. So far he is the only one that can actually stand back and go whats going on and what needs to be done. More than enough experience in that man than Edwards, Hilary, Obama combined.
I agree McCain would be one of the few Rep. canidiates who would be able to get things done with a Democratic congress.

But as for Guiliani I honestly don't know if he'd do well as a Pres. he's certainly well respected in NY but running a city and running the country aren't the same bag. I'd have to hear his possitions on everything, esspecially Iraq.

Also, Obama has alot to potentially ad to America...electing a Muslim Candiate would gain huge points in foreign affairs. Something the U.S. despretely needs.
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I agree McCain would be one of the few Rep. canidiates who would be able to get things done with a Democratic congress.

But as for Guiliani I honestly don't know if he'd do well as a Pres. he's certainly well respected in NY but running a city and running the country aren't the same bag. I'd have to hear his possitions on everything, esspecially Iraq.

Also, Obama has alot to potentially ad to America...electing a Muslim Candiate would gain huge points in foreign affairs. Something the U.S. despretely needs.
Obama is not muslim, the stories of him attending muslim schools and being a radical muslim are false. His father was raised muslim but no longer practices it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

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So just to be clear so everyone knows where your coming from.....you wouldn't vote for a person because the color or their skin or woman?

This is kinda why I posted this thread....I think there are still lots of people out there who think like Tangerine and I'm sorry to say it's just flat out sad.
Too bad huh, but judging my his avitar its not suprising.
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I agree McCain would be one of the few Rep. canidiates who would be able to get things done with a Democratic congress.

But as for Guiliani I honestly don't know if he'd do well as a Pres. he's certainly well respected in NY but running a city and running the country aren't the same bag. I'd have to hear his possitions on everything, esspecially Iraq.

Also, Obama has alot to potentially ad to America...electing a Muslim Candiate would gain huge points in foreign affairs. Something the U.S. despretely needs.
McCain has got this if he can follow through this time. He really is liked by both parties, myself being a democrat still sees him as a strong leader.

Guiliani who?..lol seriously I dont see him doing much I bet he runs out of money before he can get to the primarys.

I didnt know about Obama untill news actualy picked on him. I think he's playing this whole first potential dark skinned president thing way too much and thats all he has to boot.
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Guiliani who?..lol seriously I dont see him doing much I bet he runs out of money before he can get to the primarys. QUOTE]

I know he's trying to raise money like crazy because he's out in Cali right now fundraising....and in Silicon Valley rubbing elbows with all of the tech industry. We'll see what happens, but I'm not sure Guiliani is very popular with hardcore republicans and I'm not sure that McCain is either, but the are both kind of in the middle and that's what America needs....someone that isn't crazy left or right
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Eh. I dont care if if the canidate is white or not, nor do i care if it is a woman, all i care about is they try to do something to repair all the damage the retard currently in office has inflicted.
I bet you''l complain if Hilary or Obama gets into office, neither of them will be able to fix the s*** were in. Hilary most likely will ***** herself out to the other countries then when they find out shes a man WW3 will erupt...lol..jk
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