Dude, you guys are a bunch of homos.. lol

There is always going to be a better car out there, no matter how great the Mustang is. The bottom line is that Ford has stepped up the program with this new Mustang, both with the 300 HP V6 and the 450 HP GT. I mean seriously, did we ever think we'd see the day where a V6 mustang would be 300+ HP???

BTW: The new "Boss" with the 302 Coyote has been doing extremely well in the GT series, yes they have suspension/safety modifications, but the engine/drivetrain is pretty much stock/unmodified and it's having no problem beating the rice burners.

You're a homo. haha, just messin. I completely agree though. Anyone can say well with these mods this can beat this. Mustangs haven't had the best suspensions out of the box, but they are improving. It's going to be a great car no matter what. If you rather buy something else, then go for it, but this is a mustang site. This thread started off by showing a picture of a new mustang and someone who ordered one and turns into an Evo and Sti will kill it from a dig. Jesus people.

this is why its the mustangboards, even the on topic is off topic.lol

i dont want to sound like a tree huger but the coolest thing about the 2011 GT is the fuel mileage imo.lol

I'm definately going to be interested in seeing what these bolt on 5 liters are going to do. I'm more interested in seeing what these v6's are going to do..

Lets not forget, one of the mags that tested the Challenger, Camaro, GT basically said "We think if the mustang was a v6, the camaro and challenger would give it a run for its money."

Basically, Ford got tired of these hyped camaros and challengers, and showed up to play.

I think a full bolt on GT will be pretty beefy. I would definitely take one. And you figure anyone who wants to get into serious power and wants to run boost, will rebuild the engine anyways. So right out of the box, I see nothing wrong with a high compression engine. Plenty of potential me thinks.

@SnTBakosFinest
That last sentence is awesome. I completely agree with you.

5-8 lbs on the 5.0 will give it plenty of power. I mean it already makes 450 stock...

Its a Mustang with a 5.0...whats not to love? :D

#1 Are you fucking stupid? I said the new 5.0 will be like the 350z is now, it won't be able to run high boost because of it's high CR. Then you went of talking about running boost is possible even with it's high CR. I said HIGH BOOST, not boost at all.

#2 You said $600-$800, and I simply said that that was false. I don't know what fucking job you have but $600 and $1000 is a big difference to me.

#3 Shelby has not released numbers for the GT350 yet, and I can guarantee you it won't be pushing 9lbs of boost. The guys I talked to said 6-7lbs at the most, which is low boost like I originally said. And they're a Shelby authorized dealer in Texas so I'm going to trust their word first. Also, I've talked to Hellion about their turbo kit for the 2011s and they said right now they're looking at 5lbs of boost from it.

A quote from autoblog.

"The 5.0's compression ratio is a high 11.0:1. This suggests that, in order to produce a long-lived engine that Shelby is comfortable emissions-certifying and warranting, boost may need to be set at somewhat conservative levels."

Shelby's own website says that the car has been tuned to put out CLOSE to 500hp.

#4 If you'd actually read my posts, which you have obviously not been doing I never once mentioned anything about running 15lbs of boost. I said ~10lbs of boost, which has been accomplished many times by S197 guys. Hell one lives about two blocks down the road.

#1 Since when is 10lbs been high boost? It isn't.

#2 $600 and $1000 isn't a massive difference in the car world, if you're worried about money, quit road racing, and modding all together.

#3 Did I say the car at Knotts was for production? I don't believe I did. I believe I stated it showed up with 9lbs on a whipple, an exhaust, and a tune.

#4 I mentioned Hellion for YOUR car, numbnuts. 10 is about the max on the stock motor. Since thats considered fairly low boost, and you were talking about running "high boost" I figured you'd be talking about 15lbs or more.

And the fact that now you're wanting to just throw insults around, I think it's pretty fuckin stupid you're willing to throw your bench racing two cents in on a car that hasn't had too many people run forced induction on it yet, and basically say it isn't possible. I'm sure within the next month or two guys like ST Performance, Racers Edge Tuning, and Swanson Performance will be out setting records for it pretty quickly, and thats here on the West coast, not to mention what'll be going on over on the East Coast..

Actually, I'm almost positive atleast one 2011 GT will be into the 10s by May 21st, with either a whipple or a kenne bell, and that it'll be done by ST Motorsports, with a stock bottom end.

The fact that they've done it with the Camaro, and the Challenger, and numerous mustangs, it really won't be suprising they do it with another mustang. And I'll bet it sits right around 9lbs of boost.

Jeez, two people had their cheerios pissed in. And agreed, snbako, that last sentence was epic worthy. Might be quote worthy...

No, just a friendly argument over what the motor will be capable of..

When the LS7 came out people thought that the motor was "maxed" and well... look at them now.

True, i for one, will be one of those guys that never puts any FI into a already 430HP car. Go for all the bolt ons, a tune, tires, suspension, looks, Done. Wonder what bolt ons are left to do for these?

The basics with like every other car, I'm sure. People enjoy pushing motors into some insane numbers, z06s, GT500s, SVT Cobras, etc. Hell, I have a friend that dyno'd yesterday in his 04 Cobra, with a 2.8 upper and it made 525rwhp..

10lbs isn't high boost. I said fairly high boost, once again read my first few posts. I never once said that the 2011 won't take boost at all I just said it's not worth paying 5k for a turbo/supercharger when it only gives 5-7lbs boost and maybe another 100hp. I don't have the money to build a motor and buy a turbo kit.

How many people on here are boosted and have a built motor?

That was my whole argument, and then on your comment I simply stated that the car will have a hard time running 11s on its stock suspension.

$400 is a big difference to me. That goes for a lot of us on here. We don't have money to blow on a car and then wreck it like yourself. Most of us are in school, and try to mod our mustangs on the side because it's our passion. $400 for me is most of a paycheck and that's a big difference.

But I agree that $1000 for nitrous and some tires to push low 12s maybe 11s is a dream most people can't vouch for. I never disagreed with you on that, just stated that I think it'll need some suspension work to hit 11s.

I'm not saying that someone won't push a 2011 to its limits, but we were talking about a normal daily driven car that would be a weekend warrior and anything that RET or Lethal or any of those guys build is not going to be daily driven. Nor are those cars going to hit 10s on stock suspension or are they going to not just build the bottom end for boost or spray by then.

I'm not putting anything against the 2011, I'm just saying that it's a different animal from the S197s. With the 5.0 you're better doing spray or building it N/A, unless you can afford to build it.

I'm not just making up shit, it's simple facts. A high CR motor with a non-forged bottom end is not going to run FAIRLY high boost. I've watched plenty of guys with 350zs and other high CR cars blow them up with boost because they ran higher than 5lbs. I was just stating that the 2011 doesn't seem much different to me. But whatever, ignore the facts.

The banter between the two of you is hilarious. 08, holy car and driver motor trend STATS guy. You sound like the clowns I work with... I am in no way calling you one but the keyboard racing is getting you no where. All of the facts you bring to this thread here are things 'we' in this mustang community already know. In way you are just beating the horse. I admire your willingness to try and learn us on how this new powered mustang will still suck ass. Thats what I get out of all of your posts in this thread. Remember, this mustang will still run a 12 second pass on the so called poorly set up suspension. Get off the SOAP BOX.

Yes, there was a point where you mentioned about running a turbo and high boost on YOUR car...snake commented on this and you thought he was speaking about the coyote 5 oh, LMAO! Yes, he could have been more clear about which he was speaking of but thats besides the point.

HAHA 10 psi HIGH BOOST, stop it your killing me smalls. In your defense, yes, this could be considered high boost on a stock application. Remember, we are gear heads and when we read something like "high boost" we tend to automatically think of a number between 15 to 20. Well, I do at least.

This is for the quote:

Remember, we dont have a table of standards of what one would call 'conservative' or 'high'. When it comes to reading a magazine article how are we supposed to gauge what the writer is trying to convey when they use loose terms. Like the saying tomatoe or toma-toe its all how 'you the reader' interpret things.

When you're driving daily, unless you're planning on romping the pedal everywhere, you generally won't be going under boost. RET and Lethal will build a race car, ST has been known to build blower-only cars and put them into the 10s. Pushing the limit? Yes. But, thats racing.

I'm not knocking anyone about saying $1000 is expensive or anything. I am saying that when it comes to modifying a car, and racing it, shit breaks, parts are expensive, and labor is expensive, if you cannot build it yourself.

And yea, the 5.0 and the 4.6 3 valve are different animals. One has a higher compression, giving it a higher horsepower stock, with better flowing heads etc.

Then again as stated a while ago, alot of things will depend on how the car is tuned with pushing a boost of 8-10lbs. It will be more difficult to tune it and prevent detonation.

I really dont understand why there is arguing going on about this...anyone else?

I get on my car every now and then. And if it can't handle it like so then I don't want it. My car is a car, not a drag queen. Not a record setting, garage kept, trailered car. It is driven almost every day, and I might stomp on it a few times a week to play around with people. If running 8-10lbs of boost means that I can't do so then I'd rather just turn it down to 5lbs and be safe. That was what I was getting at.

My facts are from myself, not from anywhere else other than the one quote.

I'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to state my point, I'm not getting heated. I'm not some douchey CrazySkank lol.


I don't consider this arguing. We're just discussing. No one is yelling or cussing someone out lol. Just debating maybe. Ohh god, let's all freak out.....America.

Well, I would hate to egg either of them on but I do thnk it is an amusing thread from a spectators perspective. My amusment is starting to wear off though. Each one of you guys has a counter fact to shoot down what they say and it is not getting anywhere. It is just a mexican stand off. I say it is about time for both of ya'll to give it up. I am just happy to see how the new 5.0 looks. Like other people have already said if you don't like it, don't buy one.

Oh no I LOVE the 2011. I'd love to have one. I'm not dissing it at all, just stating that it's a motor that should be built N/A because it already has the high CR and nice heads. Running boost means that it'd either be low boost or be rebuilt for boost. That's my entire point. No hating. How can I hate it. It's the fastest stock N/A mustang yet.

Subtle sarcasim FTL then...
talking about Oh God, America....

Lol. No I think people just get to fired up too easily now. It's all the damn McDonalds and cubicles that make people go crazy. Not mustangs lol.

And btw......OFF-TOPIC FTMFW!!!! Story of my life.

Can't wait to see how the fucker sounds too. Bound to be badass.

Lethal said the first thing they're doing are LTs (probably custom made), an O/R x, and some type of axleback because they think it's going to sound sick. Which I agree.

I'm ready for a cammed out 2011. I'd steal it in a heartbeat. Hell any cammed stang gets me hard, but a 2011 would be sick.

i agree, McDonalds is NASSTYYY... their chicken nuggets the exeption hahaha.

and i would die in a cubicle...

and to post on topic, a Cammed 2011 would be stolen by me in a flash

I'd die in a cubicle.

But yes, a strong N/A cam on a 2011 would be sicccckkkkk. I'm sure Lethal will have the first, as their car is close to being delivered and they already have parts lol.

Wow, already have parts? Win much? God i would absolutley love to work for a company like that...

I wouldnt... for the sole purpose of knowing that I would steal the car hahahaha

When all is said and done, I would still supercharge a 2011 GT. Even if you can only run 5-8lbs., it will make some good power. Hell with 5lbs. on my car, I'm making 100rwhp over stock. You look at the cost of all the bolts on plus install if you can't do it yourself, and then look at the cost of a supercharger, I say go with the supercharger. You'll still get more gain. I spent more money on the cost of the headers, x-pipe and install, then I did with my whole supercharger kit.

A supercharger kit costs like 4.5k-5k right? For 5k if you bought some longtubes (won't help much over the factory shorties), a set of cams, and then got a tuner and a CAI. Thats like 1k for the LTs, 2k for the 4v cams, and then maybe 1k in bolt-ons/tuner. And I'm sure it'll pull some pretty big gains from it.

So I guess you can have your choice of boosted or going cammed N/A. I'm just finally stoked to see a mustang that finally has N/A potential. I'm sick of hearing the chevy guy's excuse that all mustangs need boost or spray to be able to run with them. So just for once I'd like to see an N/A beast made from a newer stang.

My build date is may 15th:)