there is not that much skill in racing from a roll, all you have to do is be in the right gear and mash the gas after 3 beeps.

when you race from a dig alot more comes in to play, your tires suspension and your reaction time.

You're basing your facts off of numbers from random websites or magazines.

Just wait and we'll see first hand who wins. Mustangs CAN be launched well, but the issue comes down to the fact that you're going against a lighter, AWD car. And as stated before, Ford never puts great tires on the mustang. It's always some Goodyear or low-end BFG crap.

2006 evo 9 will ran 12.5 every time with a good driver.

as for evo owners being fags, some are some are not but theres fags that drive mustangs to and more fags would drive mustangs since there so easy to get your hands on.lol

I was going off dragtimes.com they are usually pretty legit

motortrend hit 12.8 in there 2011 mustang and a good driver can generally beat the auto mag guys. So i'm pretty confident

prove it and I'll shut up

so true the evo 10 comes with Yokohama Advan A13C, if ford would put money in to tires it could run alot faster times.

I have a buddy with a 700AWHP Evo 8 that's almost entirely comprised of high-priced AMS parts that all of the evo queers love. It's as much as a shit box as any modded newedge GT.


This.

New Evos are heavy, fat bitches that are barely more powerful than the IXs and VIII's. New Sti's, well..with all of that electronic suspension control BS they have, I would hate to foot the maintenance bill for anything. I bet even modding that car sucks.

http://www.modernracer.com/mitsubishilancerevo9.html

is that good?

every car ive been around thats moded out the ass sucks.lol

It's still not 12.8 but it's close

and it's far far away from the 12.5 that "a good driver can run every time"


I'm not going to knock evos and STI, they are awesome cars. But I think that a lot of people believe that they are fatser than they really are. that's my only problem with them

http://www.fastestlaps.com/car459a8aa0d5690.html

http://evo-9.blogspot.com/

i could keep looking for stuff but every one is going to call different times with the mustang and the evo.

Okay so lets throw out drag racing.

And, lets look at the track where real men race. An EVO X stock will blow the doors off of a GT even with the Brembo package. The Mustang will need about 1.5k in parts (lowering springs, shocks/struts, swaybars, bumpsteer, and c&c plates) to be able to run it down.

I love the mustang, through and through. But, this Coyote 5.0 is not going to be the ruler of all worlds. It's still a mustang, still has shitty suspension and as mentioned before, it always has too small of a tire and never has a good tire either.

I'd still buy one over an Evo myself. But if the money arose, I'd snatch up an Evo/Sti in a heartbeat.



Don't even get into the repairs on Stis or Evos either. You're comparing them to a car with coated piston walls and so much technology poured into it that it'll cost an arm and a leg to fix these new stangs. If my Cobra costs as much to repair as it does, I guarantee these new 5.0s will be even worse being brand new and 4v.

Depends on what you mean by blow doors off I would bet that with the performance options the mustang would't do a pretty good job of keeping up seeing as it can keep up with an m3

The new Evos are fat asses and i don't know why they switched engines. The 4G63 was a great engine. The reviews I've read and videos I've seen on the new evos say the handling is shit. Either way, who gives a shit whether you race from a dig, a roll, or on a road track. Last time I checked if you are on the freeway you're not going to come to a complete stop and race. Thats just stupid. Just because someone has AWD doesn't mean they can launch it well. I like evos, not so much sti's as I can't stand the sound they make, but I'd still take a 2011 GT over one any day of the week. An evo or sti might get the jump from a stop, but I guarantee you the mustang catches up.

I'd say that overall, despite where the new mustang GT is AT, Ford has at least made a big step in the right direction with the engines of both the GT and base V6. I think it's safe to say that the 2011 'stang has closed some good distance on the compact imports.

Also, it's not worth mentioning the type of person who drives imports or stangs. Let's face it, from garbage truck drivers to presidents, douchbags will always exist. Cars should be judged only from an objective point of view.

I disagree. All Ford has done is finally get the cars the hp they desire, they still lack everywhere else.

The new M3 is a joke, so don't even bring it into this. We'll see, like I said.

the 4B11T holds its own pretty well snice it is aluminum, the 4G63 was iron.

if you care to read Ryan gates didn't pretty well before his 4B11T died.
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...ack-evo-x.aspx

So much hate goin on here. Cant we all agree that any car running under 13 stock and isnt 40,000+$ great? Im ecstatic over the 2011, although i gotta wait till college so by then the worlds gunna end and ill be fucked. (Good amount of sarcasm there) Despite the 2011 mustangs having shitty suspension and tires for their power, ill continue to look forward to buying one and having an orgasm every time i step on the pedal. I imagine with 410hp, some suspension, better tires, and a tune you could run low 12s. Especially considering motortrend got 440 someodd horsepower just by adding a new effing filter, i really wanna know how well these cars handle to mods, and how well they can take the increased power.

Well look at the 4v cars now. The heads flow so well that any intake/exhaust mods REALLY pull out some power. I don't see it being much worse for the 2011, even though it isn't boosted.

The mustang doesn't show up out of the box ready to hit a road race track... wow...theres some news..:rolleyes:

However, shops probably already have a few of these fuckers snatched up and are doing work..

Just to note: The v6 runs a high 13 second quarter mile. What most stock new edge GTs run out here..

So now lets throw modding into play, the new 5.0 with a small nitrous shot and tires, will probably go into the low 12s, if not high 11s. And the v6 with a small nitrous shot, tires, and a tune, would probably be out giving me a run for my money, if I still had my car.

I'm sure some of the road race shops will be out there, dumping tons of shit into these mustangs, and having them set records here within the next year or so..

I thought a gaymaro ran 12.8, the 5.0 runs 12.5, and the gt500 runs 12.2.. correct me if im wrong.

And a bottle fed 5.0 would probably run 11 - 11.6. My guess.

I don't care about the M3, so you need not worry. And, yes, we'll see. I'm just excited to see the new ponies hit the streets.

You mean a 5.0 with spray, tires, and SUSPENSION. It's not going anywhere without some work done to the suspension. But yes, even so it'll be a hell of a ride after what 2-2.5k....

But like I've said before. Anything other than nitrous is going to blow. Guys can run some pretty high boost (~10lbs) on 05-09s, but with the 2011s high CR that market will be pretty shot. For example, just look at the 350z. All the turbo kits for them run 5psi MAYBE.

I'll still keep my car for that reason. I'm shooting for a single turbo and I don't have the money to tear apart the motor and put in dished pistons. Maybe later, but if I spend 5k on a turbo kit I want to be running some fairly high boost, even if it still only gives me a little bit more power than the 2011.

The only thing making the 5.0 do so well are the heads and the high CR. If you tore the motor apart and built it for boost then you're pretty much building an 05-09 motor just with a little bit better heads and a few more cubic inches. Seems kinda pointless to me.

1. No, tires and nitrous. The car may not be able to squat in the rear and lift in the front very well, but it will hook enough to run into the 11s. Why you continue to think an extra 75 horsepower and 100+ lbs of torque from nitrous and hooking of a decent drag radial won't push that car a second better is kinda beyond me. I've seen numerous other cars do it with no issue.

So, for an extra 600-800 bucks there it is.

High boost and stock internals do not mix. If you actually do it, you'll be seeing what I mean.

The fact that the 2011 has a high compression does not necessarily mean it won't be able to run boost effectively at all. Alot of it will be in the tune, making sure detonation does not occur.

Bullshit. A high CR motor can not run high boost. It's a simple fact. The compression is so high that running high boost would blow the rings, seals, and probably much worse.

Also, if you read the articles on the testing of the 2011 they stated that the whole reason that they couldn't get a better time is because the car wouldn't transfer weight enough to actually launch any harder. Don't think just getting some tires is going to help with that.

But whatever, your logic is a little skewed but do what you will. Somehow a $500 nitrous kit and some nice tires, which usually cost around $500 as well, adds up to $600. Okay.

So I said somewhere the motor would run HIGH BOOST? I never said that. I said it would handle boost fine. I never said how much. #1.

#2 Hooking on a drag strip means a hell of alot, maybe not to you, but it does. Where did I say "just some tires" I included nitrous, a means of forced induction, which, believe it or not, will push you into faster times, also gaining a higher MPH over stock, and better 60's, if you're hooking. WHICH, by the way, has been tested, and proven. I believe Livernois did that one.

I was wrong about tires, oh lord, $600 for tires, you can toss an extra $450 at a nitrous kit for 11s, oh shit..damn it, I was wrong.

The fact you believe you're going to be pushing more then 10lbs of boost on a single turbo, with stock internals on that motor is hilarious, let me know how that goes over at 15lbs..please. And take pictures..

Oh, and I guess tell $helby to take his 2011 GT with a whipple and exhaust ONLY back to the shop he brought it from, cause it won't work..then again, it's pushing 9lbs and producing over 500 rwhp..

By the way, that was at the Fabulous Fords show here at Knotts Berry Farm this past weekend..

why do you say this?

lol sorry for bringing up such a debate but it was in comparison to the highly priced well equiped v6. For that price i was just saying that one could buy what imo a better all around sports car. But either way 30K+ for a base model Gt is quite steep I would think. For that money one could find a MINT termi and still have a shit load of doh to mod.

oh and SnTBakosFinest Ghost Rider at knotts berry farms is the shit. Been there many times.

Who gives a shit if the new GTs have high compression. It's a better engine than whats in the GTs now and even with low boost, say 5-8lbs, it will still be plenty fast. Hell you don't really want to boost over 10lbs now on a stock GT block cause it can't handle much more. If you don't like, don't buy it, but nobody has driven one yet or have seen the potentials from mods. As far as getting the rear to hook, you don't need to spend that much money. Like Bako said, sticky tires help and throw some rear LCAs on and it will definitely be an improvement over stock.

Why compare Mustangs to Evos and Stis anyways? They are different types of cars. Either way, stock for stock, a 2011 GT will beat a new Evo. 440hp vs. 295hp and the evo isn't that much lighter.

Somewhere along the line the domestic/import debate always comes into it. Its as two-sided as basic politics. Good to know others agree with me that the 2011 is a stronger car than what's out there now. How anyone can argue different is beyond me.