Ever hear of the ford GT? I can afford to buy any of the above. But, I also want to retire at 45 (which I will at present rate) so I've limited myself to 30K dollar cars and under.

BTW... I never called either of you idiots or stupid. I've repeatedly called your statements idiotic and stupid but that's not attacking you, that's attacking your argument. If you'd like me to cite examples, I will. Then I'll ask for you to be ban.T for a few days for your actions. Would you like that? You on the other hand have directly attacked me and I object to that.

Now to race cars vs. race cars... the C5R doesn't race in the same class as a R, and is subject to different class rules. If you were to compare the roush racing mustang based cars that race in the same class as the C5R, then I think you'll find that the stangs hold their own. So do porches, audi's, toyotas and a number of other nameplates. The point is, you need to know what you're talking about and I don't think either of you have had enough experience in hot rodding or sanctioned racing to argue effectively. The R is a lethal performer in the classes it races in in stock trim. Add a cage and some cooling (like the Brown Brothers dedicated Race R) and you'll be legal for higher class racing. The Brown car has been at the victory circle a few times.

 

YoshiBluevil says:
redneck, i was not trying to attack YOU, just using your comments to respond with in general. The R is a great car in its class, of course; and I love my Ford, and I like what they attempted with the R ... but hands down, the z06 is a better performer. the z06 i have seen run an 11.2 in the quarter stock, and i think the R is low 13s (not sure, anyone help me out here?)

I disagree with your statement that they NEED a 100k warranty. The point of the warranty is for GM to say they trust their cars that much, that they will give you a 100k warranty, with 3yr/36k b2b, not say "our cars suck so much we will cover the stupid repairs for 100k to make you get into the car" lol. It costs gm money to cover damages for 5yrs/100k, why would they do it if they didnt trust their products?

Honestly, for vettes being unreliable, i think its because the stupid rich old ppl that buy them dont always drive them daily, and they park them, which we all know is not the greatest thing for cars.

I see your algorithm for the supercar, race car, street car thing, and i get it, but the R as a race car is out performed by a supercar. im not attacking the R, im just saying, plain and simple, no mattre what class they are in, the z06 is a better performing car. The R is great in its class, but the supercar outperforms it (...no crap right?) so yes i was agreeing that they are not in the same class, but its because the z06 is a better performer, and is streetable (supercar), and i think that is better then a race car that ppl want to make a DD

i really didnt know about the frame, a guy i work with told me that, and i appologize for the misinformation there.

when i said it smashes the exotics, i mean it is a better performer, and is cheaper.

i didnt finish my thought on the "unpredictable" thing. I mean anyone can have the car from stock, to a sub-10, and have them streetable still.

the z06 is more then a "trim change" to the c6. you need to get a brochure, and look at the differences.

no more attacking. this thread needs to be moved or something, its WAY off topic now. I love ford, but i know a z06 is better then anything ford has made in years (except for the GT...which was $125k, PLUS a big premium - at least $50k at my local dealer)

 

Did you not see my post of all the cars from that website....have you not read motortrend or car and driver? The Z vs. the GT is almost a drivers race, around the oval track the Z beat it with both good drivers, in the 1/4 its a drivers race, i've seen both cars win, that car comes with a roll cage... is that apples to oranges? The topic this spawned from is a cobra r or a z06.....compare car to car, the z tosses it around like a rag doll. It sucks that R owners lost their radio, a/c and all the other good stuff and still could not compete if they got on the track with the Z. But no matter what you classify them as, the Z beats it, the R is sweet, dont get me wrong, Im sorry im not trying to bash the R, but it is what it is, I wouldnt drive it b/c i need my a/c cruise radio and all the other good stuff. (i been through not having that stuff with my old car...SCREW THAT) I know Yoshi, I work with him, hes a Ford guy all the way, but even he knows the Z will dominate the R. For what the R is in my opinion, its ok, dont see the point in buying one even for racing purpose, the terminator I believe has more potential, if you want to make it a race car, strip it out, but it comes with more power and weighs less i believe(could be wrong) but surely a gutted terminator would weigh less then the R. The R is a cool car, its rare, looks sweet, but I jus dont see a real purpose for it, maybe back in 2000, but not today. Im guess the point was to race in the factory car class where the rules say it must be a production car to enter. So if GM wanted to put the Z in that class it would dominate the R with or w/o a/c and all the other good stuff.

 

Do you guys realize that your posts are too long and most are not going to read it, if anything they are reading mine and skipping yours so stop wasting bandwidth and lets move on .

 

Sounds like your friend got shaffted, it sounds to me like the dealer screwed it up. As I said I work with Yoshi at a Chevy dealer. We get ppl that bring in Vette race cars here. I saw a yellow Z we sold over the summer come in for the recall(damn 06 tops recall, do a google) and he had CAI, headers, high flows and cat-back, and its still got warrenty on it. We have a certified Vette mechanic, thats all he does is vettes, never heard of any problems. GM also sells aftermarket parts that keeps with the warrenty, we all know an air filter is an air filter. Somethings not right at that dealer, I think bringing in the lawyer is the best move possible. I dont blame him, that would turn me away from any manufacture.

 

so anyways, VENOM, any new videos yet? I love thos things, they are always intense, and seem like what you would see on TV lol.

To sum this ENTIRE thread up:
1) the sn looks nice
2) the R is a nice car, and a great race car for its class
3) the z06 is a supercar, and out performs the R
4) Venom makes good movies
5) redneck wrote long posts

 

Maybe we can salvage this post and do something positive you should talk to spinmedia and see if you can provide any info that may help him out.

 

You will be seeing one soon

 

ya know, i think manufacturers will not cover the engine once you make ANY modifications. I think they have "approved" items that the manufactures make, and it should still be under warranty. However, it is up to the dealer if it is covered. So, he got screwed, but then he got his $150k, so hes good to go lol

 

Anyway,that SN95 is a cool looking car.

 

Vettes have a Cavalier's steering wheel, 'nuff said.



I'd also take the R (2000) over any z06 anyday, why? Because in 20 years I'd be able to sell it and buy lots of fine Mustangs.

 

right, and thats your personal opinion. i ended the whole "my opinion" thing by saying the 06+ z06 is a better PERFORMING car, hands down no questions asked; but the R is a better COLLECTOR car and is a factory RACE CAR, not a SUPERCAR like the new z06

anyways...