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#33
11-20-2006, 05:11 PM
I have to call that ludicrous. I've driven both of those R's and they're not collectors... they're purpose built race cars that are designed to be run and run hard. If you let them sit in a garage and only see the light of day for some lame bling-show or idiot meet then you are a sinner and you'll burn in hellfire. R's out of the box were just shy of being streetable by the average guy. The suspension was set up so taught that it was genuinely uncomfortable to drive on anything but a race track and they're exhaust is beyond loud and beats you up bad after while.
The z06 is NOT a race car. It's a street car. A purpose built street car. It's meant to be commuted in and taken to the track on weekends by grey-haired old men whose nuts have shriveled to the point that nothing less than a waaaaaaaaaay overpriced chebbie will get em' hard again. Yes, it is a fine handling and pretty fast car but it's not even on the same planet as a cobra R.
I'd suggest we stop comparing apples to oranges. The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series. Sure they're street "legal" but I think that was more of a way for Ford to assure fast sales of the limited numbers of R's than a true intent on them being street cars. The corvette is an antique design trying to compete with european sports coupes of far purer breeding on their own tracks and it does a fair job but it's not a great one. Z06 option is only a way to nearly double the cost of an unreliable street beast.
Feel free to disagree.
The z06 is NOT a race car. It's a street car. A purpose built street car. It's meant to be commuted in and taken to the track on weekends by grey-haired old men whose nuts have shriveled to the point that nothing less than a waaaaaaaaaay overpriced chebbie will get em' hard again. Yes, it is a fine handling and pretty fast car but it's not even on the same planet as a cobra R.
I'd suggest we stop comparing apples to oranges. The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series. Sure they're street "legal" but I think that was more of a way for Ford to assure fast sales of the limited numbers of R's than a true intent on them being street cars. The corvette is an antique design trying to compete with european sports coupes of far purer breeding on their own tracks and it does a fair job but it's not a great one. Z06 option is only a way to nearly double the cost of an unreliable street beast.
Feel free to disagree.
#34
11-20-2006, 05:33 PM
The 00R is a race car, no AC, radio or rear seats even rear panel for trunk is gone. If you have not seen one in person just open the trunk and you know that this stang was built for a purpose and thats out in the track.
#35
11-20-2006, 06:04 PM
I have to call that ludicrous. I've driven both of those R's and they're not collectors... they're purpose built race cars that are designed to be run and run hard. If you let them sit in a garage and only see the light of day for some lame bling-show or idiot meet then you are a sinner and you'll burn in hellfire. R's out of the box were just shy of being streetable by the average guy. The suspension was set up so taught that it was genuinely uncomfortable to drive on anything but a race track and they're exhaust is beyond loud and beats you up bad after while.
The z06 is NOT a race car. It's a street car. A purpose built street car. It's meant to be commuted in and taken to the track on weekends by grey-haired old men whose nuts have shriveled to the point that nothing less than a waaaaaaaaaay overpriced chebbie will get em' hard again. Yes, it is a fine handling and pretty fast car but it's not even on the same planet as a cobra R.
I'd suggest we stop comparing apples to oranges. The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series. Sure they're street "legal" but I think that was more of a way for Ford to assure fast sales of the limited numbers of R's than a true intent on them being street cars. The corvette is an antique design trying to compete with european sports coupes of far purer breeding on their own tracks and it does a fair job but it's not a great one. Z06 option is only a way to nearly double the cost of an unreliable street beast.
Feel free to disagree.
The z06 is NOT a race car. It's a street car. A purpose built street car. It's meant to be commuted in and taken to the track on weekends by grey-haired old men whose nuts have shriveled to the point that nothing less than a waaaaaaaaaay overpriced chebbie will get em' hard again. Yes, it is a fine handling and pretty fast car but it's not even on the same planet as a cobra R.
I'd suggest we stop comparing apples to oranges. The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series. Sure they're street "legal" but I think that was more of a way for Ford to assure fast sales of the limited numbers of R's than a true intent on them being street cars. The corvette is an antique design trying to compete with european sports coupes of far purer breeding on their own tracks and it does a fair job but it's not a great one. Z06 option is only a way to nearly double the cost of an unreliable street beast.
Feel free to disagree.
If I had one I'd run that son r bitch every day...
for for a DD the Z06 would be better for me, fast, available in drop-top, plenty fast, good mpg...
I'd still love to have an R but I'd be afraid to park the thing
#36
11-21-2006, 09:23 PM
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reason why I'd buy a Z06 for less then a '95 cobraR... I wouldn't want to drive that to work...
If I had one I'd run that son r bitch every day...
for for a DD the Z06 would be better for me, fast, available in drop-top, plenty fast, good mpg...
I'd still love to have an R but I'd be afraid to park the thing
If I had one I'd run that son r bitch every day...
for for a DD the Z06 would be better for me, fast, available in drop-top, plenty fast, good mpg...
I'd still love to have an R but I'd be afraid to park the thing
It was built as a street legal race car, the builders of the z06 never made them drop top or auto.
#37
11-22-2006, 07:08 AM
I have to call that ludicrous. I've driven both of those R's and they're not collectors... they're purpose built race cars that are designed to be run and run hard. If you let them sit in a garage and only see the light of day for some lame bling-show or idiot meet then you are a sinner and you'll burn in hellfire. R's out of the box were just shy of being streetable by the average guy. The suspension was set up so taught that it was genuinely uncomfortable to drive on anything but a race track and they're exhaust is beyond loud and beats you up bad after while.
The z06 is NOT a race car. It's a street car. A purpose built street car. It's meant to be commuted in and taken to the track on weekends by grey-haired old men whose nuts have shriveled to the point that nothing less than a waaaaaaaaaay overpriced chebbie will get em' hard again. Yes, it is a fine handling and pretty fast car but it's not even on the same planet as a cobra R.
I'd suggest we stop comparing apples to oranges. The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series. Sure they're street "legal" but I think that was more of a way for Ford to assure fast sales of the limited numbers of R's than a true intent on them being street cars. The corvette is an antique design trying to compete with european sports coupes of far purer breeding on their own tracks and it does a fair job but it's not a great one. Z06 option is only a way to nearly double the cost of an unreliable street beast.
Feel free to disagree.
The z06 is NOT a race car. It's a street car. A purpose built street car. It's meant to be commuted in and taken to the track on weekends by grey-haired old men whose nuts have shriveled to the point that nothing less than a waaaaaaaaaay overpriced chebbie will get em' hard again. Yes, it is a fine handling and pretty fast car but it's not even on the same planet as a cobra R.
I'd suggest we stop comparing apples to oranges. The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series. Sure they're street "legal" but I think that was more of a way for Ford to assure fast sales of the limited numbers of R's than a true intent on them being street cars. The corvette is an antique design trying to compete with european sports coupes of far purer breeding on their own tracks and it does a fair job but it's not a great one. Z06 option is only a way to nearly double the cost of an unreliable street beast.
Feel free to disagree.
(I work at a chevy dealer, so I do have some idea what I am talking about here...)
Overpriced? How? The z06 you could get at just over sticker these days, and I bet a much better interest rate then 19%... Why would you buy a car at 75k with 19% interest? If you did, you might as well park it, and sell it in twenty years when it is worth well over 100k. The difference from invoice to MSRP is about 10k on a loaded 2LZ z06, and it is still a LOT less money then any import that is in its class...
z06 is not a race car? the ttop is bolted down to keep the chasis rigid. it is built with carbon fiber body panels, aluminum frame, working air ducts, alum block, 6piston front, 4 piston rear, tranny moved to the back of the car, HUD so u dont have to look down as far, ESC, TC, raised spoler, front splitter, and weighs 3132 (less then a base corvette)... oh yeah, and windows that seal the cabin to keep the pressure set in the cabin while you reach huge speeds ... and again, it is the second fastest car around nurbering or whatever in germany, second only to the carrera gt...
How is it not the same planet? the z06 is a supercar, not a factory built race car which the R is. A supercar is a race car that is streetable (and it has ac, and power locks, and power windows. so you are right, the R is not in the same class as the z06...
"The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series" thats true, no ac, pw, pl... and i dont think it would have a chance vs a z06 in any comparisson
"The corvette is an antique design trying to compete with european sports coupes of far purer breeding on their own tracks and it does a fair job but it's not a great one. Z06 option is only a way to nearly double the cost of an unreliable street beast." You need to read up on the new vette and z06, and mustangs for that matter. The sn95s that most of us drive have the same frame and floorpan from a 1960 ford falcon. So, what is so aged about the z06? how does it not do a great job? it is better then them all (as nurburing prooves), except the carrera gt. i have never seen an R compared to a porsche, lambo, ferrari, etc... and the 06+ z06 smashes them all. You need to look at magazines that compare the z06 to the viper, ford GT, shelby gt500, porsche, etc. And what is so "unreliable" about a corvette or z06? I have a better word "unpredictable." From the factory, a vette will take most any mustang, thats why we all try to get to the point where we can beat them, and make them crap their pants. I LOVE doing that in my mustang. the 07 gm's come with a 5 year 100k engine and drivetrain warranty. what does ford offer this year?
the new z07/stingray/SS/bluedevil or whatever they will call it will be a race car. a 100k race car with 650+ hp from a SC 6.0L, even lighter then a z06...
the z06 is more then just "doubling the cost of a vette." go to a chevy dealer, and ask them about the z06. it is a different car then the vette. it is a lighter frame, lighter panels, bigger brakes, widened wheelbase, larger brakes, the list goes on...
Before you post incorrect information, please be sure to check the facts and not make everyone else as "misinformed" as you
#38
11-22-2006, 07:36 AM
Hey, I got an 03 Mach 1, so yes I am a Mustang owner. However, I happen to know when to shut-up. I would never ever talk about a Chevy like that, I have respect for all cars, I love to beat Trans Ams and SS's, in fact last night my Mach beat a C5 Vette. But how dare you speak bad of a Z06. Dont be a moron, know when to shut-up. I gurantee you will never have a car like that, and I know for a fact that your Mustang will never ever be up there in handling, speed, acceleration, relieabiltiy, drivability, streetability, etc in any way even close to the Z06. As far as the Cobra R goes, wow.... Ford took a cobra took all the **** out of it put a bigger engine in it and slapped a huge wing on the back and called it the "R"....doesnt Honda call their race style cars "R"....? And what really sucks is it still cant touch a Z06.
Ok...ask yourself this....
Its a 100 degress out, 95% humidity. Your out driving, a brand new Z06 pulls beside you. Off course you have you windows down, and you can still barely breathe, your ringing your shirt out from all the sweat.
Why would you want a Cobra R? The Terminator sounds better here....
Cannonball run....dont know to many ppl that know their way across the country by heart....Navigation is useful here, all the changing climates across the counrtry, climate control works good here as well. While your dumbass is freezing, or burning up with your crank windows when you get lost cause you got no idea where your going and screwed up reading the map.
I would say Z06 ALL THE WAY. NO WAY THE COBRA R COMPARES!!!!!
Ok...ask yourself this....
Its a 100 degress out, 95% humidity. Your out driving, a brand new Z06 pulls beside you. Off course you have you windows down, and you can still barely breathe, your ringing your shirt out from all the sweat.
Why would you want a Cobra R? The Terminator sounds better here....
Cannonball run....dont know to many ppl that know their way across the country by heart....Navigation is useful here, all the changing climates across the counrtry, climate control works good here as well. While your dumbass is freezing, or burning up with your crank windows when you get lost cause you got no idea where your going and screwed up reading the map.
I would say Z06 ALL THE WAY. NO WAY THE COBRA R COMPARES!!!!!
#39
11-22-2006, 08:34 AM
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that was really stupid for you to think the z06 is not a race car. The z06 will run laps around the cobra R all day with the AC and Radio on lol.
lol and your honestly going to tell me if you had to choose between a cobra R and a c6 z06 you would take the CobraR? As much as i love the cobra R you just cant compete there.
lol and your honestly going to tell me if you had to choose between a cobra R and a c6 z06 you would take the CobraR? As much as i love the cobra R you just cant compete there.
#40
11-22-2006, 08:37 AM
Hey, I got an 03 Mach 1, so yes I am a Mustang owner. However, I happen to know when to shut-up. I would never ever talk about a Chevy like that, I have respect for all cars, I love to beat Trans Ams and SS's, in fact last night my Mach beat a C5 Vette. But how dare you speak bad of a Z06. Dont be a moron, know when to shut-up. I gurantee you will never have a car like that, and I know for a fact that your Mustang will never ever be up there in handling, speed, acceleration, relieabiltiy, drivability, streetability, etc in any way even close to the Z06. As far as the Cobra R goes, wow.... Ford took a cobra took all the **** out of it put a bigger engine in it and slapped a huge wing on the back and called it the "R"....doesnt Honda call their race style cars "R"....? And what really sucks is it still cant touch a Z06.
Ok...ask yourself this....
Its a 100 degress out, 95% humidity. Your out driving, a brand new Z06 pulls beside you. Off course you have you windows down, and you can still barely breathe, your ringing your shirt out from all the sweat.
Why would you want a Cobra R? The Terminator sounds better here....
Cannonball run....dont know to many ppl that know their way across the country by heart....Navigation is useful here, all the changing climates across the counrtry, climate control works good here as well. While your dumbass is freezing, or burning up with your crank windows when you get lost cause you got no idea where your going and screwed up reading the map.
I would say Z06 ALL THE WAY. NO WAY THE COBRA R COMPARES!!!!!
Ok...ask yourself this....
Its a 100 degress out, 95% humidity. Your out driving, a brand new Z06 pulls beside you. Off course you have you windows down, and you can still barely breathe, your ringing your shirt out from all the sweat.
Why would you want a Cobra R? The Terminator sounds better here....
Cannonball run....dont know to many ppl that know their way across the country by heart....Navigation is useful here, all the changing climates across the counrtry, climate control works good here as well. While your dumbass is freezing, or burning up with your crank windows when you get lost cause you got no idea where your going and screwed up reading the map.
I would say Z06 ALL THE WAY. NO WAY THE COBRA R COMPARES!!!!!
congrats... you're officially an idiot
Ford only made 300 R's in 2000. How many Z06 have been made? 30 years from now the R's will be worth ALOT more.
#42
11-22-2006, 08:50 AM
Thanks for agreeing with the Z06. And to the dumbass, the 2000 Cobra R has a big wing. The 2000 Cobra R doesnt even come close to competeing....who would even try to compare the older one. You are a complete idiot. You give Mustangs owners a bad name, you think your piece is the biggest baddest thing on the road, and that you can take anything. I loved beating the **** outa morons like you in my old car. I see you cant come back on what Yoshi and I have said....I think this is defeat....
#43
11-22-2006, 08:55 AM
that was really stupid for you to think the z06 is not a race car. The z06 will run laps around the cobra R all day with the AC and Radio on lol.
lol and your honestly going to tell me if you had to choose between a cobra R and a c6 z06 you would take the CobraR? As much as i love the cobra R you just cant compete there.
lol and your honestly going to tell me if you had to choose between a cobra R and a c6 z06 you would take the CobraR? As much as i love the cobra R you just cant compete there.
#44
11-22-2006, 08:55 AM
that is true ... but would you rather have a car that is worth a lot, or a car that is cheaper and out performs anything in its path (z06)...
#45
11-22-2006, 08:56 AM
Thanks for agreeing with the Z06. And to the dumbass, the 2000 Cobra R has a big wing. The 2000 Cobra R doesnt even come close to competeing....who would even try to compare the older one. You are a complete idiot. You give Mustangs owners a bad name, you think your piece is the biggest baddest thing on the road, and that you can take anything. I loved beating the **** outa morons like you in my old car. I see you cant come back on what Yoshi and I have said....I think this is defeat....
#47
11-22-2006, 08:58 AM
you said the R would be worth more. but plain and simple, the z06 is newer technology, faster, race-ready with AC, navigation, power everything, electronic everything, and yet its a completely streetable 427...
If you would rather drive an R over a z06, then you are lacking intelligence somewhere...
If you would rather drive an R over a z06, then you are lacking intelligence somewhere...
#48
11-22-2006, 08:59 AM
i think apollo was talking about the 2000 R with the big spoiler, which ... if this thread would get back into topic ... looks good on the 95 this thread is about
#49
11-22-2006, 09:01 AM
the R is a collectors car, and the z06 is a new-age supercar. the z06 is a BETTER car, but the R is a factory-built race car that is a collector. Personally, I would NEVER drive a collector car all the time, but a z06 can be driven all the time, and still hold amazing value...
#50
11-22-2006, 09:08 AM
I see you all fighting for the Cobra R are stuck... to clear it up, yes I know the 95 has a normal spoiler and the 00' has the big one. If you want to start an argument about how big a spoiler is and whos is better go to www.hondatech.com Im sure there is a million spoiler threads there. Right now we waiting for a come back on how the Cobra R could possibly be a better choice. I am open for hearing any possibilites.... its just noone has put any up yet... There are less Cobra R's yea of course, they sold all of them out quick yea, its a limited car. Not too many ppl are going to buy a race car, ppl will by a Z06 due to all the options it comes with because 95% of ppl buying from a dealer are buying a car to drive daily. Not many buy a race car, or a collectors car. Yea 500 out of how many ppl in this country, 500 limited cars would be easy to sell, but it there we as many as their are Z06's they would be sitting with price reductions, you couldnt dump that many cars. I do like the Cobra R, but its just not compareable to a Z06 and you would have to be smoking crack to choose it over a Z06 daily driven or on a race track.
#51
11-22-2006, 09:22 AM
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/mustang_cobra.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/corvette_z06.asp
Compare.....how are we wrong in any way....same website, its not a ford site or a chevy site.....
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/corvette_z06.asp
Compare.....how are we wrong in any way....same website, its not a ford site or a chevy site.....
#52
11-22-2006, 09:25 AM
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/ford_gt.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/shelby_gt500.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/svt_mustang.asp
I would take the Terminator over the R
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/shelby_gt500.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/svt_mustang.asp
I would take the Terminator over the R
#53
11-22-2006, 09:31 AM
Originally Posted by YoshiBluedevil
Are you joking, or just a complete moron?
Originally Posted by yoshi yet again
(I work at a chevy dealer, so I do have some idea what I am talking about here...)
Originally Posted by more yoshi popping off
Overpriced? How? The z06 you could get at just over sticker these days, and I bet a much better interest rate then 19%... Why would you buy a car at 75k with 19% interest? If you did, you might as well park it, and sell it in twenty years when it is worth well over 100k. The difference from invoice to MSRP is about 10k on a loaded 2LZ z06, and it is still a LOT less money then any import that is in its class...
Originally Posted by still yoshi thinking he's making points
z06 is not a race car? the ttop is bolted down to keep the chasis rigid. it is built with carbon fiber body panels, aluminum frame, working air ducts, alum block, 6piston front, 4 piston rear, tranny moved to the back of the car, HUD so u dont have to look down as far, ESC, TC, raised spoler, front splitter, and weighs 3132 (less then a base corvette)... oh yeah, and windows that seal the cabin to keep the pressure set in the cabin while you reach huge speeds ... and again, it is the second fastest car around nurbering or whatever in germany, second only to the carrera gt...
Originally Posted by Yoshi admitting his error
How is it not the same planet? the z06 is a supercar, not a factory built race car which the R is. A supercar is a race car that is streetable (and it has ac, and power locks, and power windows. so you are right, the R is not in the same class as the z06...
Originally Posted by Yoshi losing track of his train of thought
"The Cobra R' series is a real factory race car series" thats true, no ac, pw, pl... and i dont think it would have a chance vs a z06 in any comparisson.
Originally Posted by Yoshi thinking WRONG trivia makes a point
You need to read up on the new vette and z06, and mustangs for that matter. The sn95s that most of us drive have the same frame and floorpan from a 1960 ford falcon.
Originally Posted by yoshi actually asking a question
So, what is so aged about the z06? how does it not do a great job? it is better then them all (as nurburing prooves), except the carrera gt.
Originally Posted by yoshi about to prove my point
i have never seen an R compared to a porsche, lambo, ferrari, etc... and the 06+ z06 smashes them all.
Originally Posted by yoshi shut up already
You need to look at magazines that compare the z06 to the viper, ford GT, shelby gt500, porsche, etc. And what is so "unreliable" about a corvette or z06?
Originally Posted by yoshi not shutting up
I have a better word "unpredictable."
Originally Posted by yoshi stating the obvious and non-disputed
From the factory, a vette will take most any mustang, thats why we all try to get to the point where we can beat them, and make them crap their pants. I LOVE doing that in my mustang.
Originally Posted by Yoshi with a real question
the 07 gm's come with a 5 year 100k engine and drivetrain warranty. what does ford offer this year?
Originally Posted by yoshi arguing against himself again
the new z07/stingray/SS/bluedevil or whatever they will call it will be a race car. a 100k race car with 650+ hp from a SC 6.0L, even lighter then a z06...
Originally Posted by jeebus tiddy fuggin keyryst yoshi... close it up already
the z06 is more then just "doubling the cost of a vette." go to a chevy dealer, and ask them about the z06. it is a different car then the vette. it is a lighter frame, lighter panels, bigger brakes, widened wheelbase, larger brakes, the list goes on...
Originally Posted by yoshi being ignorant
Before you post incorrect information, please be sure to check the facts and not make everyone else as "misinformed" as you
Lastly, Apollo and Yoshi... I have yet to directly attack you. Both of you have gotten into name calling at me and I won't take it. If you persist, I'll ask the mods to step in. I've been polite if a tad sarcastic up to now... I won't continue that for long.
kisses...
just ask Spin.
#55
11-22-2006, 09:47 AM
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/mustang_cobra.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/corvette_z06.asp
Compare.....how are we wrong in any way....same website, its not a ford site or a chevy site.....
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/corvette_z06.asp
Compare.....how are we wrong in any way....same website, its not a ford site or a chevy site.....
I guess I'm correct and there's just a lot of sour grapes around here.
#57
11-22-2006, 09:53 AM
I wasnt attacking you Redneck and I dont think Yoshi was either. I believe someone was calling us both idiots and said we proved our stupidity or something along those lines. However, you have still yet to beat my argument. If you want compare race cars to race cars.... C5R, C6R....whats the Cobra R got on them? Its sad a factory race car cant hold up to a production car. How about this, comparing cars you can/could buy off a showroom floor and drive on the street. You gotta compare apples to oranges if thats the best fords got....
#58
11-22-2006, 09:54 AM
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/ford_gt.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/shelby_gt500.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/svt_mustang.asp
I would take the Terminator over the R
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/shelby_gt500.asp
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/svt_mustang.asp
I would take the Terminator over the R
FWIW... The guy that paid 19% interest on his 00'R is making 440rwhp NA STOCK with just a tune. No other hp mods and no internal engine work. I'll grant that the terminators can see 650+rwhp with a couple grand in upgrades and tuning but still... drop a couple grand on the R and you're up to a blower and over 800rwhp at 91octane friendly boost.
I'd take the terminator over the r for a street car but not for a race duty car. Actually for a race car, I'd probably want a 408 clevesor (windsor block & cleveland heads) with a carb on it. They're a little easier to deal with on the race track.
#59
11-22-2006, 09:55 AM
I wasnt attacking you Redneck and I dont think Yoshi was either. I believe someone was calling us both idiots and said we proved our stupidity or something along those lines. However, you have still yet to beat my argument. If you want compare race cars to race cars.... C5R, C6R....whats the Cobra R got on them? Its sad a factory race car cant hold up to a production car. How about this, comparing cars you can/could buy off a showroom floor and drive on the street. You gotta compare apples to oranges if thats the best fords got....
#60
11-22-2006, 09:58 AM
CALM DOWN