yep looks like my cars gonna be a rare classic LMFAO

 

Actually I wouldn't. Dont think the 60s GTOs look good anyways. If the GTO had another name I'd still take one. It's not a bad looking car and it's fast for what it is.

 

I totally agree. I am one of four employees where I work, and I am the only Ford guy there, other than the owner who has a 66 Mustang vert. It cracks me up to hear them run their mouths about the GTO and Mustang. LS1 this, LS2 that, blah blah blah. We are comparing a 281 to a 364. The 281's are damn good engines, and respond pretty well to mods. It wouldnt take much to make the 4.6 hold it's own.

Also, we had one in the shop a few weeks ago- red one just like in the pic, same wheels. I drove it into the building and was checking it out. The seat was pretty comfortable, but the interior is a joke. The tilt wheel feels cheap and cheesy. Even if GM got rid of 90% of the plastic bullshit, it would still be cheesy. As for a retro attempt, it compares with the Charger. FAIL

 

Really? I hope you're not too confident with that statement, because you'd be wrong.

Yeah, the GTO isn't the best looking car, but it is not an ugly car. I think it's pretty good looking on its own, but it is average looking compared to a 99-09 Mustang.

If you line up a Mustang GT with no nitrous, supercharger or turbo, all you'll be seeing is the back of the GTO, anyway, so why do looks matter then?

I hated the 'system' in my Goat. Goddamn, it sucked. A ****-*** Blaupunkt 200 watt stereo or something like that. It really sucked. It was pretty much the only thing I disliked about my GTO.

Yes, I know we are comparing a 281 to a 364 and the 281 loses. It wouldn't take much for a 4.6 to hold its own against a 6.0? Only if $5,000-$7,000+ worth of some kind of forced induction (not including nitrous) and added modifications 'isn't much' to you.

Forgive me for being blunt, but you spent maybe a few minutes driving it? How can you properly judge it? The seats are MUCH better quality than the Mustang is, so I agree with you there. But if you ask me, the interior in the Mustangs is just as much of a joke. Both feel cheap to me. But I'm not paying for a Mercedes, I'm paying for a middle-class sports car and I don't expect things to be perfect. Also, you said the tilt wheel feels cheap and cheesy? Am I missing something or is it supposed to feel like a Lexus or something? It's a tilt wheel for ***** sake! Who cares how that feels?

I don't know if they were going for retro. If they were, you are right and they failed.

 

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In my opinion the gto body was the next logical step for the grand prix you can say what you want but without some serious aftermarket the GTO looks just as boring as the grand prix I know it got a big v8 but that didn't help it's sales any


the GTO failed because it looked boring. They should have spent alot more time on the body God knows they didn't have to spend any time on an engine and that's it's only redeeming factor

 

I completely agree with you. It does look too much like its brothers and sisters, but it's still not an ugly or boring looking car to me. Granted, it could look better, but to me it's not all that bad.

 

I would agree, but of course the 05-06 is a little more aggresive looking. And to the guy who complained about the plastic and interior, pretty sure my mustangs interior isn't something to brag about. It's shitty and out dated looking. It had pretty much been the same interior from 94-04 and the 05+ isn't that cool either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but man sometimes people on this board can't look past a mustang. Yes I own a mustang and like it, but I can also respect tons of other cars. But to each their own.

 

The '07+ Mustang interiors, especially in the Premium's or the GT/CS is probably one of the nicest interiors I've ever seen in a Mustang.. The '10+ is the best interior package of any Mustang ever produced by Ford.

The only thing that I like about the Goats is how they sound. If it doesn't have a good look + performance, I'm not spending money on it. JMHO.

 

Yeah, the 05-06 definitely look better, partly because of the double hood scoops and the dual exhaust. I think the Mustang interior is boring as hell. The 2010 interior is the only Mustang interior I've ever been impressed by, aside from 09- people who have done custom interior work.

I also agree with your last few sentences, too. It's not a dig on anyone, but that's how I feel, too.

The 07's aren't that much different from the 05-06, aside from the little chrome rings around the radio controls, the optional ambient lighting, and the two tone seats. The 'cheap' feel is still there. That same shitty plastic is still everywhere you look.

Mustangs may look good, but they aren't exactly high performance vehicles, aside from certain models or unless someone has done some sort of engine work/FI to it. But that's the point. You have to spend a lot of money to get a Mustang to 350-400+ horsepower, unless you were blessed with a Cobra or another model that makes that much power off the line. But even those models have some kind of forced induction. For the $5,000-$7,000+ it would take to super/turbo a regular Mustang GT, you could put that down on an 05-06 GTO that puts out 400hp N/A and that would still be more than most Mustangs, even when those Mustangs have some kind of FI. Even though Cobras are comparable, they aren't N/A.

 

BINGO!

I love Corvettes, Camoros, Firebird, Challengers, Mustangs and etc.

I have a problem with Pontiac and and Dodge coming bringing back the GTO and Charger, respectively and noot concentrate on the looks of how those muslce cars used to look in the 60s/early 70s.

Dodge did it right when they brought back the Challenger because it IS a Challenger based of power and exterior looks.

 

Just think too, take that $5000 or so and supercharge a GTO and you'd have one quick car.

I would agree with the Challenger. Dodge did it right with that one with the exception of it being about 4000lbs. Either way, I still like the goats and will be possibly looking to pick one up later this year or so.

By the way, did you guys ever see the concept for the Charger back in 1999? Too bad they didnt work off of this.

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=...RTConcept1.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=...RTConcept3.jpg

 

That concept is still a 4 door. I think that's what bothers me the most. Chargers and GTO's are farily decent looking cars. I just don't their names are justified.

 

This is where I disagree, hahaha. That bitch is UGLY.

 

I wholeheartedly agree.

 

Haha, I like it better than the current charger, but I was thinking they could have at least played off some of the styling. I do like the rear. But I do agree it's still not great looking.

 

Po' Ole Nigga Thinks It's A Cadillac



sorry i had too. don't shoot me fonz.

 

Hmmm...where do I start. First off, as you blast me for voicing MY opinion, lemme return the favor. Just in the text above, from your post, you give eight opinions. The thing that gm calls a gto is not a bad looking car, but it is NOTHING like an old gto. In case you didnt't understand me the first time, I think the interior looks loike total ****, like about all the other GM's out there. My opinion? Yes, but last time I checked, Old Glory is still outside waving, which means I am entitled to it.

The 0-60 time for the 05 Mustang GT is 5.1, with a 1/4 mile time of 13.5. The gto has two different engines, the ls1 and ls2. The ls1 goes 0-60 in 5.3 (which BTW is s l o w e r), and 1/4 mile in 13.8- also s l o w e r. The ls2 goes 0-60 in 4.8, and 1/4 mile in 13.3. So, in other words, the ls2 is only .3 seconds faster in 0-60, and only .2 seconds faster in the quarter mile...so AGAIN, I will say this: "IT WOULD NOT TAKE TOO MUCH FOR THE 4.6 TO HOLD IT'S OWN". I dunno WTF you are talking about with nitrous, sc, fi, etc., but it is rather entertaining.

If you think the Mustang is that big of a POS, your a damn idiot for buying one. LMAO. Ya know, also, I would consider myself a pretty nice guy. You, from what I have seen on here, seem to be a pretty decent person as well, but you really seem to thrive on going out of your way to project this bad-*** tough image. Thats fine too, but you might want to get your facts straight before you start lashing out at me, as I will give it right back to you. I am one who is absolutely not impressed, not intimidated by your facade.

Also, you might want to keep in mind the fact that is a Mustang board.

 

Also, I didnt say the gto seats were better...I just gave kudos for them being comfortable. However, the cheap immitation material looks like **** too.

 

FWIW, all it takes any LSX motor is some headers to flat out rape any mustang that's not a Cobra. lmao. Maybe run 13.3 stock, but a couple of bolt ons will put it mid 12's with ease, can't do that with any GT.

 

LMMFAO...I suppose your friends sisters boyfriends cousins nephew has one that does just that, huh?

 

No, but anyone that knows anything about the LSX motor is that it takes mere bolt ons to do the same thing that requires a supercharger and other goodies for a mustang. I know you hate all things not ford, but surely you can at least respect those motors, I don't like chevies much, but the LS series of engines flat out rapes anything ford has come up with.

 

Actually there are people who can get the 05-06 GTOs around 13 flat in the 1/4. Sure it's not tons faster but at the time when they both came out, the prices were pretty close to each other. So stock for stock, a GTO wins. Take the same mods you are going to slap on the Mustang to beat the GTO and slap em on the GTO. Who wins? GTO. You are entitled to your opinion, but you can't deny the fact the Mustangs interior is cheaply built as well. All my **** is shitty plastic. Hell the damn plastic trim piece where the window switches are has double sided tape to help hold it on.

Ford isn't the all powerful and grand company you might have thought it once was.

Oh and yeah this is a mustang board, but how many memebers here don't even have mustangs? Plus I'm pretty sure this is in the lounge where anything can be discussed.

 

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Hmmm...where do I start. First off, as you blast me for voicing MY opinion, lemme return the favor. Just in the text above, from your post, you give eight opinions. The thing that gm calls a gto is not a bad looking car, but it is NOTHING like an old gto. In case you didnt't understand me the first time, I think the interior looks loike total ****, like about all the other GM's out there. My opinion? Yes, but last time I checked, Old Glory is still outside waving, which means I am entitled to it.

When the hell did I 'blast' you for your opinion? I hardly think that disagreeing qualifies as 'bashing'. I don't know if you thought about it, but you are doing the exact same thing to me. You are entitled to your opinion and I never said you weren’t, so I don’t know where you’re getting all this from. “Old Glory” just isn’t waving for you, you know.

You go right ahead and ‘return the favor’. I bet you thought long and hard about what you were going to say. I bet you read it over and over to make sure you got it just right. Because man, you were damn sure going to give it back to me, weren’t you? Well, you failed. You failed not only because you can’t accept that not everyone on here only loves Mustangs, but you can’t distinguish between bashing and simple disagreeing.

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The 0-60 time for the 05 Mustang GT is 5.1, with a 1/4 mile time of 13.5. The gto has two different engines, the ls1 and ls2. The ls1 goes 0-60 in 5.3 (which BTW is s l o w e r), and 1/4 mile in 13.8- also s l o w e r. The ls2 goes 0-60 in 4.8, and 1/4 mile in 13.3. So, in other words, the ls2 is only .3 seconds faster in 0-60, and only .2 seconds faster in the quarter mile...so AGAIN, I will say this: "IT WOULD NOT TAKE TOO MUCH FOR THE 4.6 TO HOLD IT'S OWN". I dunno WTF you are talking about with nitrous, sc, fi, etc., but it is rather entertaining.

I was talking about the LS2. The 4.6 would need forced induction, bolt ons, etc, a few thousand dollars worth to make it hold its own. A few thousand might not be much to you, but it is to me. You're trying to sound so intellectual and it's really pathetic. It just makes me laugh that I am 'rather entertaining'. Although I am glad, you should really thank yourself for not having the comprehension to understand what I meant in the first place.

Also, good job on attempting to insult my intelligence by spelling out s l o w e r. Here is one for you; O-P-I-N-I-O-N.

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If you think the Mustang is that big of a POS, your a damn idiot for buying one. LMAO.

I never said that the Mustang is a big POS? I'd really appreciate it if you'd point it out to me, because I don't recall ever making that statement. I love my Mustang, it just isn't as fast as my GTO was, and that is a FACT, not an opinion. Who’s the idiot now?

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Ya know, also, I would consider myself a pretty nice guy. You, from what I have seen on here, seem to be a pretty decent person as well, but you really seem to thrive on going out of your way to project this bad-*** tough image.

I don’t need your adoration. I don’t care if I seem like a decent person, so spare me that false positive ****. I’m not trying to project an image. I am speaking my mind. Where the is the crime in that? If you take the fact that I speak my mind as trying to be a bad-***, but that's not my problem. The only thing I thrive on is being myself.

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Thats fine too, but you might want to get your facts straight before you start lashing out at me, as I will give it right back to you. I am one who is absolutely not impressed, not intimidated by your facade.

You might want to realize who really is the one who is lashing out. Even with your stats you copied and pasted, the LS2 GTO is still faster stock for stock than most Mustangs.

So you go right on and ‘give it right back to me’. I wasn’t trying to give you anything in the first place.

Don’t flatter yourself. I wasn’t trying to impress you. You are just another grain of sand on the beach, so stop thinking that you are just so ******* important. I couldn't care less what you think of me. I am not going to change myself to suit anyone. Your sorry attempts to belittle me make me do nothing but laugh and wonder what book or person you stole the phrases from.

I also don't expect you to be intimidated by a person on the internet. If you were, you’d need psychological help.

And I am 'absolutely not impressed, not intimidated by your facade', either. Stop trying to act like you are so damn smart. You sound like a pathetic art ***.

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Also, you might want to keep in mind the fact that is a Mustang board.

You’re right. I guess since this is a Mustang forum, that means I can't appreciate other cars. I have to bow down to all Mustangs and that all Mustangs are the fastest cars in the world. I am glad you aren’t a mod. What a **** you would be.

Well then let me ask you this... if your Mustang was so perfect, why the hell did you bother modding it? There was something that you wanted to change about it. You wanted a little something more.

Not only that, but since this is a Mustang Forum, by your logic, people that don’t have Mustangs any longer shouldn’t post here then.

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Also, I didnt say the gto seats were better...I just gave kudos for them being comfortable. However, the cheap immitation material looks like **** too.

My apologies. I misinterpreted something, much like how you misinterpreted me!

Stop lying to yourself. The seats in our 05-09's look just as cheap and shitty. They aren't even made of leather all the way around! They're VINYL. It doesn’t look or feel like leather, either. You are not a realistic person at all. So get off your high horse. I’m not trying to say Mustangs are shitty. I’m just saying that how can you complain about the quality of a GM when what you’re sitting in isn’t much better?

Honestly, I think you are either so diehard Ford that you have become blind, or that you are just jealous that you don't have a faster car. It's okay to be jealous, you know. It's human nature to envy and be jealous of something better than what you currently have, which is why we all want a Cobra!

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FWIW, all it takes any LSX motor is some headers to flat out rape any mustang that's not a Cobra. lmao. Maybe run 13.3 stock, but a couple of bolt ons will put it mid 12's with ease, can't do that with any GT.

That's all I was trying to say and it got taken the wrong way and blown out of proportion.

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LMMFAO...I suppose your friends sisters boyfriends cousins nephew has one that does just that, huh?

Hahahaha! And you talk about me lashing out and bashing someone else's opinion?

Why are you being a dick to him? You can’t possibly use the ‘you bashed me so I bash you’ excuse now, because he didn’t say anything whatsoever that deserved that remark.

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No, but anyone that knows anything about the LSX motor is that it takes mere bolt ons to do the same thing that requires a supercharger and other goodies for a mustang. I know you hate all things not ford, but surely you can at least respect those motors, I don't like chevies much, but the LS series of engines flat out rapes anything ford has come up with.

I agree. I don’t love just Fords. I actually only like the Mustang, but I have respect for other cars. I don't bleed Ford blue. I bleed human red.



With that being said BOF, I’m not going to bother to reply to anything else you say, because I couldn’t care less anymore.

 

Hey there sunshine...From the times and performance specs I see, I am just not impressed with the performance difference. You can buy all the ****** gto's you want, I dont give a rats ***. I wouldnt take one of the ugly POS if you gave me one. Thats my opinion, so don't flame me for mine, and I will refrain from flaming you. Then you write "I don't know if you thought about it, but you are doing the same exact thing to me". Uhhmmm, yea, thats kind of what I meant when I said "As you blast me for voicing MY opinion, lemme return the favor."

As for comprehension, it's not that I don't understand people, it's just that I routinely skip over about every 4 of your 5 words. If it's something informative, I read more...If it's just you inflating your ego, I just scroll down.

As for appreciating other cars, **** you- you dont know me, nor does pcola or blackgt. There you go putting words in my mouth again. I like the new Challenger, I like Vipers, I like a 67 or 68 Camaro, but they ruined them in 69, I like a 63 split window vette. The Z06 is IN MY OPINION the hottest looking vette since the mid 60's. I respect them, and like them- but that doesn't mean I would want one. When you pay my car payment, I will get what you want me to. As for being a mod, I am too busy to be a mod for any forum. Also, I own a plymouth product- it's the wifes car. Yea, Im a die-hard Ford nut, but I don't have tunnel vision like you accuse me of.

AS for me modding my car, the only thing I have done to it is shorty antenna, headlight covers, and springs. I bought it that way, which was just the way I liked it.

As for the seats, yes I am well aware of what is leather and what is not. The side bolsters in the gto are comfortable once you get in, but getting in and out is a PITA. I can complain because the gto looks like ****. Every manufacturer is using alot of plastic to save weight. GM just does it all in one color, with no contrast. It just looks like ****!!! I am assuming your interior is stock- mine looks pretty damn good to me. If I didn't like it, I would not have bought it.

Acting smart? No, I am not acting. Take it for what it's worth, but I got my first Mustang when you were 10 months old: a 73 Mach 1. I have had four more, including an 83 GT T-Top 5 spd, an 84 GT Turbo 5 spd. 20th anniversary, an 89 LX auto, and my 06. I have been around and worked on cars my whole life, I have worked as an ASE certified mechanic, built a few engines, and have restored a 79 Vette, a 65 Vette convertible, and a 64 Plymouth Sport Fury. I have been around the block a few times, and this aint' my first ******' rodeo.

As for being jealous, you are way the **** off base. My Mustang is not a race car- it's not my DD. It's a weekend car. I have owned it for 7 months and have put 600 miles on it. I know what it is, and I don't try to act as if it's anything else. My speed car is a 427 Cobra replica. My cruising car is a steel 32 Ford 5 window coupe, which has been in the family since 1953. In other words, I dont give a flying **** if a gto is faster than a 281 Mustang...that's not it's intention anyway. It still aint faster by a big enough margin to get me excited.

So anyway, back on topic, I hate to see Pontiac go down, and who knows what will happen wih Chrysler and Fiat. Ford guy- absolutely, but when it comes down to it, I am all about the big three.

 

Too bad the big three ain't so big anymore.

 

I think i am the only one on here that thinks the GTOs look good. A guy at school has one and it sounds pretty sick too!

 

I think they look good too, nothing compared to the Stang...but it's not bad.

 

It looks like a dodge stratus.

 

I, for one love the way a GTO looks, Mustangs too. But you cant deny the fact that stock Mustangs vs GTO's in the 03 till 06 range are not comparable. You will need a Cobra to keep up with a GTO. And a Cobra is supercharged vs a na GTO is just about equal in performance, Here's a video I love to watch over and over again. You got to give both of these cars credit for being performance cars. If you had to pick between which cars to own and drive daily, it would be a toss up, IMHO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2GOAz0f2Mg