http://patriotfiles.org/civilizationcalls.htm

 

while a little alarmist and bordering on racist I can't say it's incorrect.

 

Yep!

Wake up America!

 

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goddamn

 

So whats the solution? Suspend the Bill of Rights? Build a modern form of the Great Wall of China? Stop any and all forms of immigration? Teach our children not to trust anyone of middle eastern decent? Stop importing oil? Stop importing goods and products from foreign country's? We can put an office of Homeland Security in every neighborhood. How about check points every 100 miles on national roads requiring travel papers stating the reason you need to be on the road and your destination? We can make islamics wear badges on their sleeves for easier identification. Pass laws so our law enforcement officers can stop anyone that appears to be of spanish decent and check their citizenship, we're bound to find illegal aliens easier that way. Cut off any and all relations with country's that supply military hardware, nuclear technology and technical assistance with country's like Iran (Germany, France, Russia, South Africa to name a few). Persecute those responsible for keeping Sadam Hussein in power and funding his war with Iran and thusly creating todays military nightmare known as the Iraq War (oh, wait, that would be the U.S.). The U.S. also funded and trained the mujahidin in the 80s against the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, look how that turned out.

Its easier to incite paranoia and fear through propanda, than to actually propose solid, valid solutions to true existing problems. Wake Up America !!!, give me a break. I've heard that rhetoric before. If you want to see history repeating itself, then read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

 

I'm a history buff and have read the rise and fall of the third reich.Just so you know,the U.S. gave aid to Iran. Thats when they got F-14's. Its not propanda when its real. These people only want us dead. How can you reason with that? Did you watch the show on Fox News last weekend about radical Islam? If not you should.

 

The biggest problem with people today is they think if they read some book they are all of a sudden all knowing about a country...

Ho Chi Mein was never a communist a day in his life, we just lumped him with the Russians after a CIA report. He won the election and we backed the guy that lost...it's happened so many times before just look at South America...

but neways what i was getting at is don't generalize by saying "These people"... all of Iran doesn't hate the U.S. if you actually knew a lil more about the culture you might find out there are many movements to replace the government and to reform the country back into how it was pre-70's... Iran has a ****ed up leader and the guy has a few screws loose but make sure you'd sound like an idiot and group an entire nation under one belief...

Not every American loves Bush, but he does present a image of how foriegn country's percieve ALL Americans act...

 

Ok, so what's your solution? If the radical Islamics want us dead, should we deport everyone of the islamic faith? Or should we continue with our policy of pre-emptive military action? They want us dead, so lets kill them first.

For decades, the U.S. has manipulated middle eastern countrys to fit the foreign policies of which ever party happens to be in office. Ultimately maintaining an unstable region. All that manipulation has created generations of muslims that have grown to hate and despise the U.S. gov't. And all that manipulation has turned around and bit us in the ***, 9/11.

When that happened, we did the right thing. We invaded Afghanistan, removed the Taliban from power and control and sent Al Qaeda running to the hills. We had a true world coalition backing us politically and militarily.

So what did our gov't do after that. They lied and twisted the facts around feeding the paranoia/fear of the country so as to legitimize the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq. Destroying in the process any credibility we had in the eyes of every foreign country. Now we're stuck in the arm pit of the persian gulf, and our young soldiers are fighting and dieing. If we leave to soon, Iraq will tear itself apart in a civil war. If we stay the course, our soldiers will be caught in the crossfire of a country tearing itself apart in a civil war. Either way we're creating new generations of muslims that see us as the great satan.

Now we have Iran on the verge of joining the nuclear weapons family. And yes, we sold them weapons. Planes, tanks, ships and guns. We supported the Shah of Iran and gave him billions because of the cold war. He in turn built lavish homes and palaces and oppressed his people. They kicked him out and turned their anger toward us. Another fine example of American foreign policy. Its easy to unite a country when you have a single common enemy to focus all that anger and hatred. I firmly believe Iran will soon build an atomic bomb and there's nothing we can do about it short of starting WWIII.

As for America being apathetic, oh hell no, we're pissed. I don't trust our gov't and I certainly don't believe any of the crap our current administration publishes. If you want to close the borders and persecute an entire religious culture, fine, vote for whom ever you believe will accomplish that for you. I'll vote my conscience as well. The next couple of years will truly show the world the character of our nation, will paranoia reign supreme or will we rise above it and live free as our forefathers hoped. I refuse to live in a state of fear.

And as a side note, just because you have little flags waving at the end of your post, doesn't make you anymore of a patriot than I am. I grew up in the military and I served my country in the Navy. My family has a military tradition dating back to the American revolution, every male member has served in either the Army, Navy, Marines and more recently the Air Force. Just because I distrust our government and don't support our Iraq policy, doesn't make me unpatriotic. I have the utmost respect for our military forces and wish nothing more than to get them out of a failed foreign program that has run amock. The U.S. military is not a world police force, thats been proven time and again.

 

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Do you bleeding heart types really think its because of what we have done? Get over it,were not muslims and thats the problem.Its a screwed up bunch and its evil.If you don't think like them,they have no use for you. Now,you can stand there and ask why can't we all just get along,but then someone wants to kill me you can bet your *** I'm going to do my best to send him to hell frist. If you think anyone in this thing should be compared to the Third Reich is sure as hell isn't us. Why do you think the ***** got muslims in the waffen SS?

 

**** the rest of the world...

America is the best damn country and the only one that matters...

 

Thats funny, I'm not a bleeding heart type, nor am I a bigot. I certainly won't blame an entire culture/race for the problems of the world. According to the Website where you got the above link, muslims are undermining the American way of life. They've caused the bi-partisanship in congress, demoralized our troops and are trying to destroy our economy with the Dinar. Not to mention the racist rhetoric because an elected U.S. congressman wanted to be sworn in using the Quo'ran instead of a Bible.

Do I think we caused the problems in the Middle east, NO. The people there have been fighting and dieing for those scaps of dirt for thousands of years. We just gave them a new enemy to focus all that aggression on.

We blew the crap out of Afghanistan, and I applauded that. It needed to be done. Unfortunately, the idiots in charge went too far and invaded Iraq for trumped up reasons. With just a 1/4 of the resources expended in Iraq, Afghanistan and Bin Laden would be a done deal. We were 10 years too late to invade Iraq, we should have rolled into Baghdad during Desert Storm, but instead, we incited a rebellion, promised help, and then hung them out to dry. Big suprise we don't have as much local support in Iraq as we would like.

As for Muslims in the SS. Don't forget that the british had muslim units all throughout their African, European, and Far Eastern campaigns. There were also Muslim Americans serving in all branches of the U.S. Military. By the way, the Waffen SS also had christians and catholics too, maybe we should kick them out while we're at it. The only religion not tolerated were Jews.

As a country, if we're going to War, we need to make damn sure its for the right reasons and have our facts straight. Bush F'd up, get over it.

 

As a Multi-national business major, and intelligent person your comment and general view shows a complete lack of understanding of economics...

 

+1,

it really is interesting to see how some people are so scared of an entire race of people... there are probably less then 100,000 actual terrorists in the world...the entire tactic of terror requires few men and equipment to attack a LARGE scheme, right now we're not fighting all of islam, we're fighting the few psycho's out there, but if you really wana take on the entire Muslim world...thats a battle we would never win...

 

How did you come to that number? Was you at the last meeting?

 

I hold the western world at fault for this crisis. The british, french, dutch, Americans, etc... all rushed in to the middle east as soon as oil was discovered and began contaminating a still largely tribal culture with western notions and (what was for the day) advanced technology.

If anything can be learned from US history it is that dropping advanced technology on a culture that didn't have to attain it themselves is never anything but destructive. Is it any surprise that the Muslims of the world; who at the time were heavily concentrated in the oil producing countries, saw their cultures shaken to the core and what had been a semi-stable geo-political status was destroyed. How can any of us even be the least bit surprised that the more fundamentalist segments of the religion saw their faith being threatened (let's not get into religion as a whole being just a way to control the masses without resorting to violence) and lashing out at what they see as an enemy to their way of life.

What should we do... live with the effects of what our ancestors did to theirs. We created this problem, we let it get out of hand. Then we stuck our noses in their business setting up puppet governments that didn't have the interests of their own countries at heart in power.

You reap what you sew. We sewed insurrection and that's what we got. We watered the insurrection with technology they'd never seen and we watched the insurrectionists grow in number and strength. The west went through all this theocratic BS a couple hundred years ago (Salem was our Kabul) and we almost didn't make it. Now it's their turn and people whine about it.

My solution... live with it. Accept that evil men will do evil things, sometimes for good reasons. If you sacrifice your freedom for your safety you deserve and shall receive neither. We allowed the "Patriot" act to become law, and we are paying for it. I would personally rather risk being flown into a building than have my shoes x-ray'd for bombs. At least then I would be in charge of my destiny.

Wake up America... it's our punishment. Does this mean I sympathize with the <insert religious group here> terrorists... f\/ck no! I do understand their point of view and I consider them an enemy that must be slaughtered wholesale... just like the <insert genocidal nutcase group here>'s. What we need to do is stop pussyfooting around and go and kill people who mean us harm and quit worrying about what the polls say.

From security to complacency... wiser words are rarely spoken.

 

As an patriotic American and a country boy, your comment makes no sense to me and I could give a damn about anyones general view let alone the world...

So I will retract my comment and say... If you don't love the American Flag, you can kiss my country ***...



lol...

America > *

 

Greg your world as you know it would be nothing if it weren't for international trade, Walmart exists because of China...think about it if China disappeared half your family would be outa a job...your hick view is thankfully not accepted by any intelligent person today... so I appreciate your country boy mentality and there is something to be said for being patriotic but being a patriot also means you have rational thought...otherwise your just a radical and no better....

 

Its only a matter of time and we will be at war with china.

 

screw china... we gots china town... and china town kicks real chinas ***...

 

yeah... at least china town has indoor plumbing in all the buildings. Real China can't come close to saying that.

And who the F cares about wal-mart or china or any of that ilk. If we're to fix this global problem then people in every country will have to accept that some things they like will go away and eventually be replaced by shops ffering less choice but higher quality at a modestly higher price. I don't know about you guys but I pay for quality and only pay once. I HATE wally world and try to boycot them at every turn... thus my wal-mart trips are limited to less than 1 a year. Can any of you say that? I

Y'all rip on greg for being a slack jawed redneck but so far he seems a little less irrational than many of the conservative and most of the more liberal among you... way to be inclusive.

I can at least disagree with him without lobbing personal insults....even in jest. Tone it down.

 

Look I bust his ***** because i know he's not being serious...he's just trying to be rediculous...

And China will NEVER go to war with the US as long as we're so heavily funding their economy...the only likely senario is if China decides to invade Taiwan

 

good enough... consider though that we're trying to be examples of what we expect from new members so we might want to keep the personal attacks to a minimum... kidding or no.

And you're 1000% right about the whole war on china deal. I punish them for their human rights abuses by never buying anything made in china. I don't succeed 100% of the time but I do seek out non-china made items and willingly pay extra to get things from countries that don't use slave labor, DDT, lead based paint, extreme forms of torture, and violate every single copyright and patent known to man.