I'm a new GT owner and have been following this board to gauge how I want to mod my new ride. Most of the talk seems to involve third party suppliers. Any reason why Ford Racing parts are not mentioned? It would be much simpler for me to simply order the drag pack and let one of their mechanics do the install. Are FR parts inferior? Are they considerably more expensive? Is it considered the easy way out? The fact that FR parts don't effect the warranty seems like a pretty good bonus.

 

i dont think there is anything particularly wrong with FRPP, but there are other brands out there that produce different options and sometimes better quality than FRPP.

FRPP does not to my knowledge make a lot of stuff like CAI, upgraded TB/Pl, etc etc. Alot of FRPP is suspension and such.

EDIT: I have heared the drag pack is a pretty good setup. But i would think steeda or Maximum Motorsports are easily just as good.

 

Also the FRPP are usually more expensive compared to other brands.

 

Considering he mentioned the Drag Pack, which is for 05+, for that generation, FRPP does make CAIs. Also, if you happen to have the old pushrod engines, then FRPP has tons of engine parts for you from cranks to intakes.

 

FRPP parts are still largely street oriented parts. For the most part FRPP parts are an attempt to yank that last 1000 bucks out of the consumer that they didn't spend on the car's purchase.

While they do make good kits for this or that you usually end up with a compromise between performance and street manners that sacrifices too much of the performance for too little of the street manners, which many of us aren't willing to deal with. I needed full competition suspension from MM because of how hard I flog my car. Others want better drag times than the Drag Pak can deliver. We all have our reasons but suffice it to say FRPP is rarely the best answer for someone that is likely to mod their ride. If you want to buy a GT and build a Bullit from it, FRPP is how to do that.

 

FRPP makes CAI's?..... isnt that what the mustangs already have installed stock? lol..

 

I believe FRPP and OEM ford products are different.

 

for the most part... there's a lot of FRPP parts on the special edition cars... ie Bullit, Mach1, etc..

 

Exactly. For example, the new Bullitt and Shelby GT is nothing more than the Power Pack and the Handling Pack w/ a few other small details. This is why it's cheaper to buy a GT and make your car into one instead of buying the real deal.

 

Guys, thanks for the replys. From the responses it seems like FRPP are more expensive and less performance oriented than vendor parts. I'm going to have to balance that with the convenience and warranty issues. I'm a bit new to the world of mods. What is a CAI?

 

Cold air intake. with 05+ v8 cars the CAI is worth as much as 15hp or so with a proper tune but the tune has to be right to get the gains and a tune costs 2X what a CAI does.

Warranty will be void on anything you replace. If you plan to mod it at all, even with FRPP parts you'll void much of your warranty since the factory/dealer didn't install it. Dealers are notorious for rampant violations of the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act particularly if they didn't install the part. If you mod it plan to maintain it away from the dealer as much as possible.

 

That is incorrect. If you purchase FR Drag pack and have it installed by the dealer, the car will still be covered under the warranty. I was in the dealer to have an ABS sensor replaced and the Mustang Tech told me this. I also believe it says the same thing on the FR web page. My needs are to upgrade performance to near Shelby standards. Drag Pack will take me to 360 HP. If that doesn't cut it, I can add the supercharger and go to 500HP. But if you use FR parts and have them installed by the dealer they will definately be covered under the original warranty. Thats a big plus in my book.

 

wow... a mustang tech told you this? First, there's no such thing as a mustang tech. there are lube techs, mechanics, line mechanics and master mechanics but no model specific techs just for mustangs. You've just gotten one.. most of us have had one for a few years (mustang that is)... now would be the time to shut up and read.

If you seriously think a CAI and exhaust is going to take you to 360hp, I have some beach front property in oklahoma to sell you. If you think you can just slap a blower on and make 500hp, ditto on the property. Either power level requires a little something more than just those simple bolt-ons.

Dealer installed parts do not necessarily protect your warranty either. I can have the dealer install a vortech blower but they're not going to honor the warranty after they do. That's why the VIOLATION word was used. They're breaking the law and there's not a goddamned thing we can do about it. All they have to do is SAY (yeah, it doesn't even have to be provable or probable... hell possible is not even required) that the part you had installed after purchasing the car; regardless of who installed it, is at fault for the failure of whatever part you're trying to have warranty work done on and your warranty is void for that repair.

Fact is fact, dealers are crooks. Dealer service depts are bigger crooks. Dealer service writers are out and out ****** criminals. Dealer techs are on average HS dropout morons that couldn't do anything else more mentally challenging and had to get dirty to make a living (all you blue collar guys, no offense meant) and they shouldn't be relied upon to tell you if they're breathing or not much less quote warranty handling data to you. One of the things that had a lot of 03 cobra owners twisted was Ford dealers refusing to warranty repair their cars because they'd incurred damage from being driven as hard as they're equipped to be. imagine that... use all the power your Cobra makes and you get a voided warranty out of it. Then all the pulley swaps and air filters and CAI's causing voided warranties and you're going to sit there and bullshit me with the meaningless hearsay of some "Mustang Tech".

laughs at you and walks away. no more advice for you, 1 year.

 

My job is probably more mentally challenging than most of the people on here but I use my hands at the same time. I gotta be honest thats pretty unfair to the people who bust their *** everyday and put their bodies on the line to make a living while you sit at a desk all day.

I know you said no offense, but no offense, suck it.

 

First let me get this out of the way, there's no need to be belligerent in your response. If we were talking face to face, I doubt you would tell someone to shut up. Secondly, the dealer (Licardi) told me they had one tech that specializes in Mustangs and is their "Mustang Tech." I thought it was strange that Ford has only one car that people want to drive and only one guy who services them. I also thought he was towing the company line when I asked him if their was a difference between Ford Racing parts and other parts, such as Steda. He said there was no difference. I thought I'd ask the guys here, since I doubted that. Didn't expect to get talked down to. Could he have been pulling my leg about the warranty? I doubt it, since his statement would form an express warranty and I will make sure I get it in writing before any thing gets ordered. But if its ford parts, installed by a ford dealer, there is no way they could void the warranty. But I will take your warning to hart and proceed with caution on that issue.

Now I think its time for you to read what the drag pack comes with before calling me a rube for thinking it would gain 60 HP. Its not just the CAI. Its headers, gears, exhaust and other stuff. I was still thinking 60 HP was a bit generous, but 40-50 for all that stuff would not be unexpected.

 

- Cold Air Kit M-9603-GT06
- 4.10 ratio Ring & Pinion M-4209-G410A (Manual)
- 3.73 ratio Ring & Pinion M-4209-F373N (Auto)
- Gear Installation Kit M-4210-A
- Shorty Headers M-9430-S197C
- Short Throw Shifter M-7210-T1
- Performance Oil Filter CM-6731-FL820
- Ford Racing Performance Calibration

That is what consists of the drag pack. 05+ mustangs benefit greatly from the Cold Air Intake and tune combo. While im skeptical at the 60 hp promise, 30bhp is probably not that far out of reach. You won't see any gains hp/tq wise with the gears but the headers and intake help out.

I'm curious as to why they have 4.10's for Manual, and 3.73's for Automatic? I usually thought this as quite the opposite.

Maybe for more top end because an Automatic only has 4 gears?

Someone clarify. lol.

 

I think 05+ mustangs are 5 speed autos, not 4.


I COULD BE WRONG ....lol

 

I think you may be right. But still? Wtf?

 

- since when did oklahoma have a beachfronts?

 

Wow.

 

I think he was being a little sarcastic................

 

Point taken. Understand I was making a point that's a reality at the majority of dealer service organizations. You may have one or two smarties in any given shop but the average is nonetheless kinda low.

I know what the drag pack comes with... it's worth 25-30hp on new model cars on average. The shorty headers are worthless power wise and expensive to install (but they do sound a little better). Gears give you zero additional hp despite the help they give in your average 1/4 mile blast. The whole performance oil filter thing is a joke. The shifter is handy but costs what 150 bucks on ebay? It's a CAI and a tune.

I did not speak down to you... I told you to know your source and the reality. Now then, you can probably do the gears, CAI, tune and shifter and end up with a decently sporty ride. Your call on parts. I do prefer Ford Racing gears but I usually get my own install kit with a solid crush sleeve. The gear install kit probably comes with too much stuff for such a new car. Check with your installer before purchasing the install kit for the gears.


it has 5 gears but it's a slushbox all the same. A manual's tire speed is directly proportional to the final ratio of all the gears used to drive them x engine rpm. An auto can have engine speeds above or below what would be expected just based on the gear ratios in use due to the tq converter. Under various conditions the input rpm into the converter can over-rotate the output (this creates pressure and heat) and vice versa. More tq multiplication at the rear makes it easier for the converter to get the tranny and rear end moving. Thus, we always say 3.73 on manuals and 4.10's on autos. One area where Ford's OEM choice is based directly on the normal choice of aftermarket purchasers.

yep. Can't keep anything past you.

 

A year ago i wouldn't of understood that. I'm coming along nicely.

 

Automatic transmissions represent the peak of complexity that you can take a machine without it becoming a Rube Goldberg device. Just understanding the simplest of things about it becomes a fight against the length of the definition.

 

I put on the ford racing mufflers, intake, reflash, and ring gear. I took off the mufflers as soon as I installed the off road x pipe. I never heard such a crap *** exhaust note in my life. replaced them with flowmasters, I will say that the reflash was one hell of a power increase that i felt. the downside is it is not adjustable just a reflash. I guess people steer away mainly because of the price, and I thought bad quality from the mufflers.