Can someone explain to me what "crate engines" are? Complete engines basically?? Better than long/shortblocks? Everything you need? Also which is better SOHC or DOHC and what are there differences??

 

oooooooooooooooook.

a crate engine is a complete engine, sometimes turnkey (meaning drop right in and turn on) and other times it needs an intake etc. Its basiacally a full engine, brand new that can be shipped to you (in a "crate")

As for SOHC and DOHC im sure you could argue back and forth as to which design is better but for mustang purposes the DOHC builds make more power (stock for stock) so i guess thats what you mean.

SOHC is "Single Over Head Cam"
DOHC is "Duel Over Head Cam"

SOHC is what comes stock in 96-07 GT's and DOHC is what comes in 96-07 Cobras

A SOHC build has 1 cam in the head, so that means 1 in EACH head for a v8, DOHC means it has 2 cams in each head so 4 cams total for a v8.

The DOHC engine your prolly looking at has a 4 valve per cyl design, and the SOHC has 2 valves per cyl.

Hope this de-mystifies it a little

 

thanks!! been looking at seanhylandmotorsport.com's crate packages! looks interesting!!! both seems good but sohc (GT) seems more "me" hahaha thanks for the info anymore comments or stuff to add?

 

beware... SHM motors have been hit and miss for a long long long time. About 50% of the people I know that do business with SHM have had repeated failures or faulty parts right from the git-go.

I'd look at VT engines, DSS, CHP or Livernois. They have much better reputations and they always answer the phone when I call.

 

Don't forgot about Mach's 03/04 Mach 1's also come with a DOHC 4 valve motor

 

sucks to hear that becuase their kits come with a kb s/c within the kit!! ill keep looking around for something! thanks for the lookout!!

 

lol sorry

AND in Mark VIII's and Aviators if we wanna get super-specific

 

Are there any good crate motors out there that can be blown or turboe'd?? saw the cammer but dont think you can add a power adder on it. any reccomindations???

 

yeah all of the companies thats r3dn3ck mentioned, vt engines, dss, chp, livernois. I would personally go with dss they have some bad a** motors. You can put a power adder on all of those motors as long as they have forged internals.

 

you really need to tell us what your goals are so you can determine what you need so you dont go overboard

 

+1 i've read alot of horror stories, stories that even came from people that worked at SHM. I bought a crate motor for my 95 GT from Ford Racing, no warranty though, it was the fast/simple way for me to get something fresh with more HP.

 

well i got to thinking and i was first planning to just build on my 4.6 now and put a kb on. but i just got to thinking with the prices of parts and labor im around the same price for a crate engine! so i figure go with the new motor! i just want around 500-650hp when im all finished! and i only have 23k on my car now so i figured ride it out and buy a new motor later!

for the r3dn3ck mentioned sites i looked through them but found now COMPLETE engine kits, just short/long blocks!? im still searching around tho
the "cammer" is the only one i like so far, but no power adder can be put on! :wallbash:

 

IMO I'd go with a DOHC 4 Valve.

 

Have you thought about installing a turbocharger?

Just use your stock motor. You dont need a built motor just to have a power adder. The 4.6 engines will take a beating from the factory. Go with a Hellion kit, for backup you can find low mileage 4.6 engines for as little as $500. Better handling and you could prolly run 450whp/550wtq on the turbo. Much cheaper and you have something you can really work with.

Turbo > Supercharger

 

eghh i was thinking bout goin turbo route, but just cant do it! mustang/s/c go together! not mustang/turbo, but hey, we all have our tastes!

 

Find a couple on bennettracing.com! thinking of going with the 382/392/408 cid kit!!! power adder can be added onto this crate engine!

363 cid-545hp

-Bennett Racing Basic Dart Shortblock 363 cubic inches
-Custom Grind Hydraulic Roller Camshaft
-Canton 7 quart Oil Pan Kit
-ATI Harmonic Balancer
-Stage 3 TFS TW Cylinder Heads
-Roller Rockers & Hardened Pushrods
-TFS "R" Series Intake-Ported Victor Jr-Ported for Carburetor Engines
-Dyno Tested & Tuned

$12,995

382/392/408 cid-575hp

-Bennett Racing Sportsman Shortblock 382/392/408 cubic inches
-Custom Grind Hydraulic Roller Camshaft
-Canton 7 quart Oil Pan Kit
-ATI Harmonic Balancer
-Stage 3 TFS TW Cylinder Heads
-Roller Rockers & Hardened Pushrods
-TFS "R" Series Intake-Ported Victor Jr-Ported for Carburetor Engines
-Dyno Tested & Tuned

$9995
We offer this engine with either EFI or Carburetor versions, and also offer a low compression version for customer's wanting to add a supercharger.

Can anyone explain why the bottom kit is less than the on above it?//?

 

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...44D5EF0A77.htm

if your looking to make power and torque then turbo is the way to go. Look more into it, and youll find many people selling their superchargers to put on a turbo.

If your that dead serious about finding a built motor, why not just buy a new or used 03/04 Cobra motor??? You can find one for prolly cheaper than the crate engine itself without a blower. Its ALL forged, able to handle over 800whp with fuel upgrades, and best of all its topped off with a pretty capable blower. There are ported eaton cobras with nitrous making more power than some kenne bell guys.

I really think the turbo would be your best route for power though. The whole thing about how SCs are better for mustangs has been proven very wrong.

 

And Mountaineers, and Navigators, and Marauders, and Ford GT's, and Mark LT's. I probably missed something too.

 

yeah, good point!! any links to sites where they sell new/used cobra motors?? im still looking around and researching which is best!

 

how about this... learn what it is you actually want, what it takes to make that a reality and learn the fundamentals of the modern internal combustion engine. This isn't rocket science.

The difference between the two Bennet motors was the block and probably the internals. Dart blocks are mega strong race blocks, sportsman blocks have been known to break into two large chunks at over 500hp.

neither of those engines is appropriate for your car. For 1, they're pushrods and 2 10grand on a motor says you'd better know damned good and well why it cost 10 grand.

Give us a real budget. How much do you have to spend right now? What do you want out of the car? Drag, open track, autocross, street only, etc... Once we have that, all this speculation and semi-information will stop and we'll find you a solution.