Procharger vs Vortech

Stevoneo · 05-02-2005, 07:55 PM

Ok, i have maybe switch my position on which one.

Procharger with air - air intercooler is cheaper but sees more gains than vortech.

which one is the better one, studies and dynos show that vortech falls short to procharger.

AeRo · 05-03-2005, 12:20 AM

from all the forums i have read... lol asking which is better is kind of like asking which gears... 3.73 or 4.10.. ppl all was have there opion.... i went with procharger myself.. i like the self contain oil... and i also have read about the procharger beening better... but its just my opion.. there is goin to be ppl that have had bad experiance with both.... nothing is perfect....
intercooler sounds cooler then aftercooler (tho the intercooler can go on a vortech i think)

spike_africa · 05-03-2005, 07:03 AM

procharger hands donw. they make more power have no oil lines so its easy as hell to install, i have done 2 one on a f150 and one on a mustang 4.6 both took maybe 2-3 hours at most. you cant beat it. plus with there optional 3-core intercooler you can boost it up to 11psi without much worry.

oohsoobad2 · 05-03-2005, 02:56 PM

I cant decide which one I like better. Both have there pro's and con's. I like that Procharger comes with the innercooler for about the same price, however thier kit does not include injectors. I like the Vortech because its a more complete kit, you can buy the aftercooler speratley later on and there is less tubing length so I would think it spools up quicker. I also like the reputation Vortech has, although punching a hole in the oil pan sucks. Also, dont rule out Paxton. The Novi 2000 is an excellent blower than can support 400-900 hp. Its definately a tough choice in todays blower market.

04DarkShadowGT · 05-03-2005, 05:01 PM

From what I have read the Procharger P1SC has been known to blow seals, so much so modualr powerhouse does not carry them anymore.

Vortechs do make less power but are more reliable, that being said I would get the Novi 2000. It will let you grow isntead of having to replace, and belt changes are easier too.

spike_africa · 05-03-2005, 05:24 PM

yeah ati does have seal problems on some blowers. my one freinds f150 5.4 with three core intercooler does not leak my other freinds v6 mustang 3 core kit does have a seal problem and leaks but its so small and only dripps a little that we dont even bother to send it in for a new one. he just checkks the oil level in it everyonce and awhile and its almost always fine.

Blue02GT · 05-05-2005, 02:50 PM

Vortech T Trim. Pro Charger has too many issues for me.

*madmatt* · 05-05-2005, 07:27 PM

Yea, I dont wanna be down because my blower blew a seal that shouldnt blow since you pay 3 grand for the kit...just seems backwards.

Mustang Tuning · 05-06-2005, 05:56 AM

If we were to stock superchargers, we would carry Procharger.

spike_africa · 05-06-2005, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang Tuning

If we were to stock superchargers, we would carry Procharger.

Right on :toothy9:

MachGT · 05-06-2005, 11:01 AM

People are making about the same power out of a non intercooled vortech as the 2 core version of the procharger.

PistolWhip · 05-06-2005, 01:16 PM

I have had both so I guess I should comment.
First the ProCharger:
I had a P1SC with a 3 core intercooler. The blower was very cumbersome and takes up allot of space in the engine compartment. It leaked like a faucet and ATI flat out insulted me when I tried to speak to them about servicing it. In so many words they blamed the leaks on me and litterally called me an "ameture idiot." Now, the blower made some SICK power and could be spun pretty high before it would start pumping out heat soaked air but when the air is full of oil, it causes detonation just as bad as heat. It is VERY difficult to install (contrary to the popular beliefe that the fact that it's self contained makes it easy) and the intercoolers rarely fit without making modifacations to the car's structure. Install took me 2 1/2 days.

Vortech SQ-trim V-2 (current blower): Very easy and straight forward install. THE OIL LINES ARE NOT HARD TO INSTALL!!!! The most common and affoardable blower, the SQ and S Trims tend to get a little hot when you run some serious boost. Anything above the 15 psi mark is going to really put the V-2 S units to their limit and will in turn cause some very hot discharge temps. So far I have had a 3" pulley on mine (which came stock with a 3.66" pulley) and have had no problems other than hot discharge which I can remedy very easily by either spraying a 25 or 50 shot, or use water injection.
The blower is allot smaller and fits in it's mounting locations perfect. Install took 5-6 hours and the oil return line was cake with the right tools.

If I could do it again:
I'd go with a Paxton Novi with Paxtons intercooler. In my opinion it's the best centrif blower on the market. The Novi 2k is just as at home making 8 psi on a stock motor as it is making 18 psi on a fully built renegade motor. It's efficient and durable and the intercooler set up fit's like a glove. Not to mention Vortech/Paxton has AWESOME customer service.

00steeda · 05-10-2005, 08:03 AM

I've had both too.....went from vortech to ati......now going to paxton soon.... I had 60k on ati before seal leak.....really can't complain there...thats running no lower then 12lbs...might go with d1sc, but like the comments made about paxton....

spike_africa · 05-10-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MachGT

People are making about the same power out of a non intercooled vortech as the 2 core version of the procharger.

at the same boost level?

AeRo · 05-12-2005, 08:09 PM

about ati, and blowing seal. i was reading on another fourm, cannt reameber atm which one tho, about blowin seal, this guy was saying he blow a seal and was talkin to ati about it, well they gave him a part number for the seal's, there at your locate auto part shops, like autozone..ect. he pick one up for like 10 dollors and said was not hard at all to install. if i remember the site, ill post the part number for it... will be for the p1 verson. guessing the seals are different on the p1 to d1 and f1.

white99gt · 05-23-2005, 07:14 PM

Well they both hav pros and cons.But unless you get a D1 the p1sc will NEVER see the other side of 550rwhp..But a s trim can easily get there without a cooler.(these examples are on a 2v).

Street car a KB would be the best option ,for the track its a like others said your choice.But the KB also makes a nice option for the track too.

05-02-2005, 07:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stevoneo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 598	Procharger vs Vortech Ok, i have maybe switch my position on which one. Procharger with air - air intercooler is cheaper but sees more gains than vortech. which one is the better one, studies and dynos show that vortech falls short to procharger. __________________ 2004 Mach 1 - New Baby Numbers Coming Soon 2001 Mustang GT - In Mustang Heaven 399.65 RWHP 384 Torque

05-03-2005, 07:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 6,968	procharger hands donw. they make more power have no oil lines so its easy as hell to install, i have done 2 one on a f150 and one on a mustang 4.6 both took maybe 2-3 hours at most. you cant beat it. plus with there optional 3-core intercooler you can boost it up to 11psi without much worry. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

05-03-2005, 05:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
04DarkShadowGT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ft Wayne, IN Posts: 1,093	From what I have read the Procharger P1SC has been known to blow seals, so much so modualr powerhouse does not carry them anymore. Vortechs do make less power but are more reliable, that being said I would get the Novi 2000. It will let you grow isntead of having to replace, and belt changes are easier too. __________________

05-05-2005, 02:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Vortech T Trim. Pro Charger has too many issues for me. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

05-05-2005, 07:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,911	Yea, I dont wanna be down because my blower blew a seal that shouldnt blow since you pay 3 grand for the kit...just seems backwards. __________________ RPMPlanets

05-03-2005, 12:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
AeRo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21	from all the forums i have read... lol asking which is better is kind of like asking which gears... 3.73 or 4.10.. ppl all was have there opion.... i went with procharger myself.. i like the self contain oil... and i also have read about the procharger beening better... but its just my opion.. there is goin to be ppl that have had bad experiance with both.... nothing is perfect.... intercooler sounds cooler then aftercooler (tho the intercooler can go on a vortech i think)

05-03-2005, 02:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
oohsoobad2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	I cant decide which one I like better. Both have there pro's and con's. I like that Procharger comes with the innercooler for about the same price, however thier kit does not include injectors. I like the Vortech because its a more complete kit, you can buy the aftercooler speratley later on and there is less tubing length so I would think it spools up quicker. I also like the reputation Vortech has, although punching a hole in the oil pan sucks. Also, dont rule out Paxton. The Novi 2000 is an excellent blower than can support 400-900 hp. Its definately a tough choice in todays blower market.

05-03-2005, 05:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 6,968	yeah ati does have seal problems on some blowers. my one freinds f150 5.4 with three core intercooler does not leak my other freinds v6 mustang 3 core kit does have a seal problem and leaks but its so small and only dripps a little that we dont even bother to send it in for a new one. he just checkks the oil level in it everyonce and awhile and its almost always fine.

05-06-2005, 05:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mustang Tuning Mustang Tuning Sales Manager Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Newtown Square, PA Posts: 116	If we were to stock superchargers, we would carry Procharger. __________________ 2001 Performance Red SVT Cobra Best E.T. 13.383 @ 107.49 miles per hour Bob MustangTuning.com

05-06-2005, 01:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
PistolWhip MD Bad Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Jersey Posts: 109	I have had both so I guess I should comment. First the ProCharger: I had a P1SC with a 3 core intercooler. The blower was very cumbersome and takes up allot of space in the engine compartment. It leaked like a faucet and ATI flat out insulted me when I tried to speak to them about servicing it. In so many words they blamed the leaks on me and litterally called me an "ameture idiot." Now, the blower made some SICK power and could be spun pretty high before it would start pumping out heat soaked air but when the air is full of oil, it causes detonation just as bad as heat. It is VERY difficult to install (contrary to the popular beliefe that the fact that it's self contained makes it easy) and the intercoolers rarely fit without making modifacations to the car's structure. Install took me 2 1/2 days. Vortech SQ-trim V-2 (current blower): Very easy and straight forward install. THE OIL LINES ARE NOT HARD TO INSTALL!!!! The most common and affoardable blower, the SQ and S Trims tend to get a little hot when you run some serious boost. Anything above the 15 psi mark is going to really put the V-2 S units to their limit and will in turn cause some very hot discharge temps. So far I have had a 3" pulley on mine (which came stock with a 3.66" pulley) and have had no problems other than hot discharge which I can remedy very easily by either spraying a 25 or 50 shot, or use water injection. The blower is allot smaller and fits in it's mounting locations perfect. Install took 5-6 hours and the oil return line was cake with the right tools. If I could do it again: I'd go with a Paxton Novi with Paxtons intercooler. In my opinion it's the best centrif blower on the market. The Novi 2k is just as at home making 8 psi on a stock motor as it is making 18 psi on a fully built renegade motor. It's efficient and durable and the intercooler set up fit's like a glove. Not to mention Vortech/Paxton has AWESOME customer service. __________________ My Stang's Home Page You guys have a smiley here just for me, <-----------------:snorting: I've fineally found a home :love4:

05-10-2005, 08:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
00steeda Panty DropR Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 26	I've had both too.....went from vortech to ati......now going to paxton soon.... I had 60k on ati before seal leak.....really can't complain there...thats running no lower then 12lbs...might go with d1sc, but like the comments made about paxton.... __________________ WWW.STEEDAS.COM

05-12-2005, 08:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
AeRo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21	about ati, and blowing seal. i was reading on another fourm, cannt reameber atm which one tho, about blowin seal, this guy was saying he blow a seal and was talkin to ati about it, well they gave him a part number for the seal's, there at your locate auto part shops, like autozone..ect. he pick one up for like 10 dollors and said was not hard at all to install. if i remember the site, ill post the part number for it... will be for the p1 verson. guessing the seals are different on the p1 to d1 and f1.

05-23-2005, 07:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
white99gt 600+rwhp club Join Date: May 2005 Location: atlanta,ga Posts: 60	Well they both hav pros and cons.But unless you get a D1 the p1sc will NEVER see the other side of 550rwhp..But a s trim can easily get there without a cooler.(these examples are on a 2v). Street car a KB would be the best option ,for the track its a like others said your choice.But the KB also makes a nice option for the track too. __________________ 621rwhp~504rwtq <----Old vortech T trim combo 2V 2.2 Kenne bell <---present combo 549rwhp~491rwtq SAE @15psi 560rwhp~490rwtq STD @15psi My mods

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