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View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
Not swapping. You guys are nuts for trying.
1.82%
Not swapping but find the topic interesting.
12.73%
Thinking about doing the swap but not in the next year.
16.82%
Definitely going to do the swap in the next year or so.
25.45%
Doing it now. Looking for an engine or awaiting delivery.
15.45%
Doing it now. Already bought an engine.
18.64%
Done. Got my 5.4L and showin my tail lights to camaro's every day.
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Screw 5.4, I'm going diesel 4cylinder.
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Old 02-27-2009, 02:21 PM
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pics below. Excuse the haze... the sun was backing the shot and all I had was my camera phone. The headers fit ok but they're extremely tight fitting. We've already had to clearance the bell-housing (1 rib), beat the floor in a bit and beat the passenger side motor mount a little. Nothing big but they're not a pure bolt-in.

intake with new coolant crossover setup.
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close up of the coolant crossover fittings. LMK if you need a parts list.
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headers from under and behind facing forward. Yes they're VERY tight fitting.
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Old 02-27-2009, 02:39 PM
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R3d; man that looks good. hows that coolant crossover working?
whats the eta on those plates? also can you get me a tracking number? i greatly appreciate it.
thats all im lacking now is just the intake.
 

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Old 02-27-2009, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Morgan The Black
Well Ford was nice enough to do alot of mix and matching for the '99 year. The engine I rebuilt, the 5.4 out of my dad's F150, had PI heads and a forged crank. It has that cast, 2 piece intake on it also. Supposedly they used both NPI and PI heads that year so it could be either one. Maybe we should ask Randy.
Anybody know if '99 is the only year with cast PI intakes? Or if all '99 5.4 PI intakes are cast, or were they mixed with plastic ones?
 
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:10 PM
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Looks sweet r3d . Any idea when they're going to have it back together?
 
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Everything is looking f'in sweet on that buildup. I'm patiently waiting on the dyno results. Looking at those headers has really inspired me to start on a set of my own. Although for the power and flow numbers of these engines, I will be sticking with 1 5/8" primaries. That should free up some room under there for all those tubes. What thickness header flange did you use? What was the final length of the primaries?
While doing some research I came across this website that calculates optimum primary size/length based on some engine parameters. Plugging in 330 ci, 5500 RPM, and exhaut valve opening at 56 Deg BTDC (Spec for Comp XE270) It spit out the following:
Your Primary Tube Length is 43.98
Your Primary Tube Diameter is 1.52 inches
Your Collector Length is 21.99 inches
Your Collector Diameter is 2.88 inches
With those numbers in mind, I will use 1.625" primaries (ID of pipe is ~1.52), 3" collector, and try to hit that 40" length, although I may end up around 30"
 
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JScottGT
try to hit that 40" length, although I may end up around 30"
Shorter will make more hp up top and these engines aren't lacking low end by any means, so 30" might actually be better....
 
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JScottGT
Everything is looking f'in sweet on that buildup. I'm patiently waiting on the dyno results. Looking at those headers has really inspired me to start on a set of my own. Although for the power and flow numbers of these engines, I will be sticking with 1 5/8" primaries. That should free up some room under there for all those tubes. What thickness header flange did you use? What was the final length of the primaries?
While doing some research I came across this website that calculates optimum primary size/length based on some engine parameters. Plugging in 330 ci, 5500 RPM, and exhaut valve opening at 56 Deg BTDC (Spec for Comp XE270) It spit out the following:
Your Primary Tube Length is 43.98
Your Primary Tube Diameter is 1.52 inches
Your Collector Length is 21.99 inches
Your Collector Diameter is 2.88 inches
With those numbers in mind, I will use 1.625" primaries (ID of pipe is ~1.52), 3" collector, and try to hit that 40" length, although I may end up around 30"
flanges are 3/8" stainless
primaries lengths are roughly equal and look ~36" but I have to take a measurement today to be sure
Primary tube diameter is 1.75"
collector length is unknown but I'll get a measure today
collector diameter is 3"

I hit the site and put in 6000 rpm
Your Primary Tube Length is 40.07
Your Primary Tube Diameter is 1.60 inches
Your Collector Length is 20.03 inches
Your Collector Diameter is 3.03 inches .

Looks like they're about good by the numbers. I'll have more exact measures later.

Originally Posted by TurboX2
Shorter will make more hp up top and these engines aren't lacking low end by any means, so 30" might actually be better....
note to self.

I'm not worried about low/mid power. I really need the top end to open up. Dyno run is tentatively scheduled for monday. That requires my new header flanges to be here though.

Joey, I spaced the tracking number yesterday. I'll pop down again today and get it for you. It should be there already. A little irritated I spent that much on shipping to have the parts arrive late.
 
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

Joey, I spaced the tracking number yesterday. I'll pop down again today and get it for you. It should be there already. A little irritated I spent that much on shipping to have the parts arrive late.
okay, i appreciate it. I have no clue whats been the hold up with them; ive been looking everyday waiting. ill pm you my cell if you want to call or text with it, or just pm with the numbers. your choice.
 
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Old 02-28-2009, 04:16 PM
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intake with new coolant crossover setup.
I cant help but notice you've still got your DPFE sensor still on there. I wouldnt bother putting it back on, as long as you've got the EGR turned off in the tune, just leave it off. I've got mine unhooked along with the EGR vaccum solenoid and they dont set codes.
 
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another setback on working on my car...........




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thats hunters(sleepingGT) car behind mine.
 
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ya snow sucks. we got snow here too. it was 80 degrees thurs and snow on sat thats kansas weather for ya ha
 
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:47 PM
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update: everything is ready to go, just waiting on the adapter plates so i can put the intake on it.
 
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here is hunters(sleepingGT) car......


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Originally Posted by TurboX2
There are definately some cast 5.4 intakes....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...AQ:MOTORS:1123

Thats two piece too so it can be pulled apart to port. I'm just trying to find one thats PI if they exist. I didn't think so but someone I know on F150online.com has one that he claims is PI....
They did FO SHO make some PI's!
Very limited, but did around the time Ford was switching over to PI.
I have only seen a few on the net and only one in front of me.

Are you trying to get one? What are your ideas?
 
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Originally Posted by 96blackgt54
Are you trying to get one? What are your ideas?
Need one for my truck.
 
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:35 AM
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hey r3d whats the word on the plates?? Its been just over a week since the over-nighted ship date. and i dont even have a tracking number.. Did the shop foo-bar or something?
 
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i think he was giving a beatdown to the shop that didn't finish his car...... they might showup bloodstained.....
 
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LOL. That's probably why the plates haven't arrived yet. The shipping company saw the blood leaking from the package and classified it as a biohazard
 
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UPDATE: the plates just came in. R3d, i think that shop might have screwed you out of the over night cost. but they are in

and they didnt send the hardware
 

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Old 03-04-2009, 07:02 AM
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so what long tubes work for this application withough interfering with anything? Or are there none?
 
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Originally Posted by srwhouston
so what long tubes work for this application withough interfering with anything? Or are there none?
There are none. You either need to have an existing set for a 4.6 modifield, or have a custom set made up. Either way you are looking at some expensive work. Later this year I plan to make up a set of my own. I have experience with welding and exhaust fabrication though.
 
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Originally Posted by myillwillinc
here is hunters(sleepingGT) car......


depressing picture
 
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Originally Posted by myillwillinc
here is hunters(sleepingGT) car......


i did give it a ram air mod while it was snowing....
 
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Originally Posted by srwhouston
so what long tubes work for this application withough interfering with anything? Or are there none?
i know there is a shop locally that said he could make them out of high quality stainless for approx 1000, he said he wouldn't make them out of mild steel...he doesn't believe in making cheap junk
 
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts...1%7C240%3A1318

Not sure if this has been posted before, it is a 2 valve 5.4l part. Thought you guys would like to see!
 
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So how about those long tubes ?
 
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:18 AM
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does anyone have adapter plates for sale or have dimensions so i can have some fabricated (i know a guy =inexpensive). i found a complete motor from a 03 with 80k miles for $250 and tax refunds are in the bank
 
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Originally Posted by Merlin
does anyone have adapter plates for sale or have dimensions so i can have some fabricated (i know a guy =inexpensive). i found a complete motor from a 03 with 80k miles for $250 and tax refunds are in the bank

pm jscottgt, i believe he still has some adapter plates for sale.





I finally got mine running and driving; it doesnt idle too well, slight lope, and when i press the clutch in to shift while driving the rpms will rise some then fall. not sure if its a vaccuum leak or intake leak or maybe the fact that im using a 5.4 pi engine on a 4.6 nonpi tune.
 
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Originally Posted by JoeyMD
pm jscottgt, i believe he still has some adapter plates for sale.
I do still have plates available for sale, PM sent.
 
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMD
I finally got mine running and driving; it doesnt idle too well, slight lope, and when i press the clutch in to shift while driving the rpms will rise some then fall. not sure if its a vaccuum leak or intake leak or maybe the fact that im using a 5.4 pi engine on a 4.6 nonpi tune.
I'd be willing to bet money that is all in the tune. Once you get it all tuned up, the idle will be rock-solid and there will not be any rise in RPMs between shifts. Because, remember, your ECU calculates load based on engine displacement. Now that you have 49 additional cubes, it will throw off those calculations.
 


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