View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
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Anyone intrested in 5.4L swaps, in here. Need you to opine.
#6511
Does anybody else think it would be a GREAT IDEA to develop a FAQ page for the 5.4 (2V) SOHC swap and then maybe even a FAQ page for the 5.4 DOHC swap... heck even one for the 3V guys forging new territory! Can we get that going?
#6512
I do, and for cheap too, but they need a bit of welding to be usable (brand new not finished). If you have access to a welder or place to get it done and are interested shoot me a PM.
#6514
I'm gonna attempt to help ya out here, but need some help from others.
I've been looking at my 3v and the options for putting a t.b. on. A Mustang 2v t.b. elbow lines up pretty nicely with the hole on top where the 3v has a vertical throttle body. Not perfect because of the way the 2v plenums are square on the sides (round hole on the 3v) and the bolt pattern is differen, but it would be quite easy to make a little plate to adapt the 2v t.b. and elbow right onto the 3v sitting sideways as usual. The question is how tall would it be? Lets find out...
I'm going on the assumption that the 4.6 and 5.4 blocks are the same dimension from say crank centerline to the top of the ribs at the front and back of the valley (where the alternator bolts into in front). Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
I'll take my 3v, lay a straightedge (board of something) flush on top of where the t.b. elbow would bolt on, then measure down to the ribs on front and back, gonna do both in case there's any angle to the mounting pad.
Need one of you guys with an engine on a stand or otherwise accessible to do the same with a PI intake on adapters and HPS if possible.
That will give us a direct comparison of height based off a fixed point on the engine and will eliminate differences in head construction. I think a 3v might fit quite nicely with maybe a small cowl hood and a little downward bend on the inlet tube that hoods to the throttle body.
Who can help out? I can take a picture and post if my description wasn't clear enough...
I've been looking at my 3v and the options for putting a t.b. on. A Mustang 2v t.b. elbow lines up pretty nicely with the hole on top where the 3v has a vertical throttle body. Not perfect because of the way the 2v plenums are square on the sides (round hole on the 3v) and the bolt pattern is differen, but it would be quite easy to make a little plate to adapt the 2v t.b. and elbow right onto the 3v sitting sideways as usual. The question is how tall would it be? Lets find out...
I'm going on the assumption that the 4.6 and 5.4 blocks are the same dimension from say crank centerline to the top of the ribs at the front and back of the valley (where the alternator bolts into in front). Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
I'll take my 3v, lay a straightedge (board of something) flush on top of where the t.b. elbow would bolt on, then measure down to the ribs on front and back, gonna do both in case there's any angle to the mounting pad.
Need one of you guys with an engine on a stand or otherwise accessible to do the same with a PI intake on adapters and HPS if possible.
That will give us a direct comparison of height based off a fixed point on the engine and will eliminate differences in head construction. I think a 3v might fit quite nicely with maybe a small cowl hood and a little downward bend on the inlet tube that hoods to the throttle body.
Who can help out? I can take a picture and post if my description wasn't clear enough...
#6515
I second this!
#6518
R3dn3ck, where are you at now w/ your build? I'm still only on page 55 of this thing (before you had the engine in your car) so I'm skipping to the end of this story. Or rather to the most recent edition.
I'm curious as to what changes you've made from the initial install, in between and then to now. As well as what your future plans.
I'm compiling more ?'s as I progress along so I'll save the remaining inquiries till I'm at least near page 200.
I'm curious as to what changes you've made from the initial install, in between and then to now. As well as what your future plans.
I'm compiling more ?'s as I progress along so I'll save the remaining inquiries till I'm at least near page 200.
ok but there is what looks like two egr valves one on each side of the engine right under each coil pack with the same connections as the dpfe and they both have tubes running to them from the exhaust manifolds like the actual egr valve and the harnes that hooked up to them is the same one that came from the dpfe so i just thought i might be able to get rid of all that. if you dont get what im talkin about like i didnt explain it good which i probably didnt let me know and ill get a pic up and circle what im talkin about.
MyIllwillinc has made stellar progress... see below.
Just finished night 1 of the install. We got the motor in, wiring harness done, tranny bolted up, oil in the motor, intake on, pulleys on. All thats left tomorrow is to drain the gas tank, replace the fuel filter, get a longer belt for the pulleys, and then exhaust.
BIG QUESTION THOUGH, how do you make the exhaust fit? I bought a midpipe that comes with a X portion, and 2 individual pieces that go up to the header on each side. Problem is with the deck height being what it is that the exhaust bends about a inch or two early and hits the undercarriage. Whats the best way to remedy this? we were thinking to hit it with a torch and heat the pipe up enough to bend it a little straighter?
BIG QUESTION THOUGH, how do you make the exhaust fit? I bought a midpipe that comes with a X portion, and 2 individual pieces that go up to the header on each side. Problem is with the deck height being what it is that the exhaust bends about a inch or two early and hits the undercarriage. Whats the best way to remedy this? we were thinking to hit it with a torch and heat the pipe up enough to bend it a little straighter?
I'm gonna attempt to help ya out here, but need some help from others.
I've been looking at my 3v and the options for putting a t.b. on. A Mustang 2v t.b. elbow lines up pretty nicely with the hole on top where the 3v has a vertical throttle body. Not perfect because of the way the 2v plenums are square on the sides (round hole on the 3v) and the bolt pattern is differen, but it would be quite easy to make a little plate to adapt the 2v t.b. and elbow right onto the 3v sitting sideways as usual. The question is how tall would it be? Lets find out...
I'm going on the assumption that the 4.6 and 5.4 blocks are the same dimension from say crank centerline to the top of the ribs at the front and back of the valley (where the alternator bolts into in front). Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
I'll take my 3v, lay a straightedge (board of something) flush on top of where the t.b. elbow would bolt on, then measure down to the ribs on front and back, gonna do both in case there's any angle to the mounting pad.
Who can help out?
I've been looking at my 3v and the options for putting a t.b. on. A Mustang 2v t.b. elbow lines up pretty nicely with the hole on top where the 3v has a vertical throttle body. Not perfect because of the way the 2v plenums are square on the sides (round hole on the 3v) and the bolt pattern is differen, but it would be quite easy to make a little plate to adapt the 2v t.b. and elbow right onto the 3v sitting sideways as usual. The question is how tall would it be? Lets find out...
I'm going on the assumption that the 4.6 and 5.4 blocks are the same dimension from say crank centerline to the top of the ribs at the front and back of the valley (where the alternator bolts into in front). Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
I'll take my 3v, lay a straightedge (board of something) flush on top of where the t.b. elbow would bolt on, then measure down to the ribs on front and back, gonna do both in case there's any angle to the mounting pad.
Who can help out?
#6520
DAY 1 INSTALL PICS
It really took alot of shoe-horn style action to get this thing in there. We got a ton done.
Trying to get a look from above at what was rubbing
Rockin the safety glasses
The bugs came, so we installed cintronella candles in the grill to keep em away LOL
ITS IN! Starting to add accessories
finished day 1: 2ish am
It really took alot of shoe-horn style action to get this thing in there. We got a ton done.
Trying to get a look from above at what was rubbing
Rockin the safety glasses
The bugs came, so we installed cintronella candles in the grill to keep em away LOL
ITS IN! Starting to add accessories
finished day 1: 2ish am
#6521
That is amazing!! hopefully all goes well. any slight idea what they're thinking about charging per set?
Domin8; looks dang good my friend. keep up the progress
Last edited by JoeyMD; 04-10-2009 at 10:23 AM.
#6522
Couple pictures to share. Intake height on the 3v, had to use a 3/4" spacer to get above some ribbing, so pushing the gasket down and minus 3/4" I measure 7-1/2" in front and 8-3/4" in back.
2nd pic shows a Mustang plenum that I conveniently had milled the egr mount off for a past project, makes a nice see-through plenum... It doesn't look to line up well because the elbow is sitting above the intake due to some ribbing on the intake, its a very good match actually and would be easy to mate the two. It'll be quite interesting to see how the height compares with the PI/adapter and HPS 5.4...
2nd pic shows a Mustang plenum that I conveniently had milled the egr mount off for a past project, makes a nice see-through plenum... It doesn't look to line up well because the elbow is sitting above the intake due to some ribbing on the intake, its a very good match actually and would be easy to mate the two. It'll be quite interesting to see how the height compares with the PI/adapter and HPS 5.4...
#6523
-Domin8 - awesome!!!! lucky for you there was help there. i had to do mine(5 times so far) and hunters by myself......
joeyMD - dropped the headers off at FTP this morning. TJ said right at 1000 for a nice stainless steel set. he saids 850ish for mild steel but he is making the first ones in stainless. hopefully we'll see some progress in a week. so far there are 3 yes's and 2 maybes on the headers, so he is making the first set for me to test fit, play with, etc. and from that he'll make a jig to copy them quick and easy. then he will make them as they are wanted. plus, when i made the test set, i made it where they will go to an auto or 5speed trans, one set, fits all. if any of you guys want anything extra( wideband bung, egr tube, diffrent collectors) give him a call when he starts making them so he can do it.
joeyMD - dropped the headers off at FTP this morning. TJ said right at 1000 for a nice stainless steel set. he saids 850ish for mild steel but he is making the first ones in stainless. hopefully we'll see some progress in a week. so far there are 3 yes's and 2 maybes on the headers, so he is making the first set for me to test fit, play with, etc. and from that he'll make a jig to copy them quick and easy. then he will make them as they are wanted. plus, when i made the test set, i made it where they will go to an auto or 5speed trans, one set, fits all. if any of you guys want anything extra( wideband bung, egr tube, diffrent collectors) give him a call when he starts making them so he can do it.
Last edited by myillwillinc; 04-10-2009 at 02:26 PM.
#6524
joeyMD - dropped the headers off at FTP this morning. TJ said right at 1000 for a nice stainless steel set. he saids 850ish for mild steel but he is making the first ones in stainless. hopefully we'll see some progress in a week. so far there are 3 yes's and 2 maybes on the headers, so he is making the first set for me to tedt fit, play with, etc. and from that he'll make a jig to copy ythem quick and easy. then he will make them as they are wanted. plus, when i made the test set, i made it where they will go to an auto or 5speed trans, one set, fits all. if any of you guys want anything extra( wideband bung, egr tube, diffrent collectors) give him a call when he starts making them so he can do it.
Awesome. That's great news to hear actually.
Small "?" for ya'll, could someone explain the whole wideband O2 thing. I'm not sure exactly what it is.
#6526
IT ******* RUNS!!!! Had a little hiccup where the head was missing a plug on the rear and started leaking oil, but it started right up and we're gonna plug the head in the morning and get it out and about :fluff: Cant explain how stoked i am. It sounds incredible!!! Huge thanks to lucas96 for helping the whole time and slaving over the exhaust under the car almost all day today :bed:
Here's a quick clip of its first startup. No mufflers just midpipe and headers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0BbP67vR1Q
Here's a quick clip of its first startup. No mufflers just midpipe and headers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0BbP67vR1Q
#6531
haha thanks guys, we're going to get the midpipe->catback bolts in a bit, they were on the old midpipe when i sold it i guess Then we can button that up, and we'll get that plug in the passenger side head. I'm a little upset the shop that did the head work missed that, but it wouldnt have been right if there wasnt a single issue upon startup lol. I'll get more vids once the catbacks on, we couldnt even run it long enough last night to get the idle to drop to where the cams really lope *giant evil grin*
p.s. thanks for such a warm welcome on these boards!
p.s. thanks for such a warm welcome on these boards!
#6533
outstanding work. Easy as hell wasn't it?
Update on my ride: The hood had to be re-painted again. It was baked for 3 days, primed and painted and then when they went to install it they flexed it a little and the paint didn't look right, so they stripped it and baked it again. They re-painted it yesterday and I should get it back on Tuesday.
I did up a shitty picture (using paint, not photoshop so it's shittier this way) of what it looks like LMK whatcha' thinkz.
Update on my ride: The hood had to be re-painted again. It was baked for 3 days, primed and painted and then when they went to install it they flexed it a little and the paint didn't look right, so they stripped it and baked it again. They re-painted it yesterday and I should get it back on Tuesday.
I did up a shitty picture (using paint, not photoshop so it's shittier this way) of what it looks like LMK whatcha' thinkz.
#6534
myillwillinc keep me posted on the longtubes! i am building my lightning motor with forged parts this time around cause i got greedy with the boost lol,and threw a few rods, the heads are getting ported ,so i will ready for a set in the next month or so
#6536
Wow long time no see guys. Sorry I haven't been on in a long time. Had a few things to take care of. First off, starting from where I left off. Long tubes were completed and installed, bought some adapter plates to mount intake and had the car running just fine. Now the bad part. Pulled out of the shop after break in and at this point and time I had maybe 45 miles on the engine for break in, when some young kid in a bronco decides to pull out in front of me while I am doing 55 or so. Guess what, car is totaled and I really couldn't save much. So I bought another 96 gt off a guy and plan on doing the swap all over again. YEAAAAAA. Not really. Kinda ticked off about the wreck, but oh well. Came across this and wanted to throw it up to see if anyone was interested. I maybe purchaseing one of them if the guy ever gets back in touch with me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-...1%7C240%3A1318
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#6538
Hey fella's I got the swap finished. The EGR fix we tried failed and its got a huge leak at the EGR bung. We're gonna do an EGR delete this week to solve that, get some miles on it and then get her a real tune and some dyno #'s
VID:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6B3GK7c51Y
VID:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6B3GK7c51Y
Last edited by domin8; 04-11-2009 at 07:30 PM.
#6539
here is a few shots of my complete 5.4 swap guys
i did all of this in the backyard on jackstands,the swap is not hard at all
the engine is out of a 2001 ford lightning
i just installed all the metco motorsports hardware including the 8 pound crank pulley it made 516 torque 412hp at the rear wheels with a stock internal lightning engine ,nmra racer chris tuten tunes it
Last edited by the12fast4u; 04-11-2009 at 10:17 PM.