180* Thermostat Install

stage2roush2002 · 08-02-2007, 08:32 AM

Anyone like to

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spike_africa · 08-02-2007, 08:51 AM

Fallow upper radiator hose it goes to a metal housing thats where the thermostat is at. Its 2 bolts (i think 10mm) do it when the car is cold or you will burn your hands.

stage2roush2002 · 08-02-2007, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike_africa

Fallow upper radiator hose it goes to a metal housing thats where the thermostat is at. Its 2 bolts (i think 10mm) do it when the car is cold or you will burn your hands.

On the bottom of the radiator?

03DSG · 08-02-2007, 10:35 AM

no, its right on top of the block...follow the upper rad hose to the block you will see a metal neck, its under there.

mpt_1962 · 08-02-2007, 10:38 AM

its actually on the motor...follow the hose from the top of the radiator to the top of the engine...take out those 2 bolts and you'll see the stock thermostat...put the new one in JUST LIKE the old one and if you have a new gasket(better to use a new one) make sure you put it in like the stock gasket. I just swapped out stock stat for a 180 before leaving for iraq...

stage2roush2002 · 08-02-2007, 10:58 AM

Do I have to drain the radiator?

mpt_1962 · 08-02-2007, 01:50 PM

i didnt when i did mine...less than a cup of coolant fell to the ground when i replaced mine, let it cool off though. I did mine when it was still warm(didnt care too much about getting hot hands) but when i removed the hose some coolant did come out but not much at all...

spike_africa · 08-02-2007, 02:33 PM

no like i said just do when the motor is cold. very easy to do.

mpt_1962 · 08-02-2007, 02:55 PM

exactly...wait til cold, remove bolts, swap out stat, bolt back up and enjoy cooler running engine...

stage2roush2002 · 08-02-2007, 03:04 PM

ok thanks ya'll

WaterDR · 08-02-2007, 03:34 PM

A little fluid will drip, but that is it.

03GTMan · 08-02-2007, 09:25 PM

do you have to tune your car when you do this? will the stock electronics be ok .

jeredan2003 · 08-02-2007, 09:34 PM

ive heard the engines electronics are designed to operate under 192 degrees....

03GTMan · 08-02-2007, 10:03 PM

so that would be a no on the tune then.

mpt_1962 · 08-03-2007, 02:59 AM

i was told by a tuner its not necessary to tune after installing a stat. He said something about a "rumor" where if your engine runs too cool from installing a lower temp stat that the engine comp will send more gas to the motor to "warm it up"...he said thats false.

stage2roush2002 · 08-03-2007, 06:13 AM

Does the t-stat just sit in there? Does it screw in? Or what?

spike_africa · 08-03-2007, 06:56 AM

it justs in there. All you do is unbolt take out the old one and put the new one in just like the other one was. Very simple 15min mod if even.

caballo · 08-03-2007, 10:59 AM

I think lower stats only keep your engine cooler longer. They don't keep it cool. Reason being they open sooner, but eventually your coolant reaches the same temp it would normally. I might be wrong, but I think I'm right.

spike_africa · 08-03-2007, 08:00 PM

No a thermostat opens and closes at set temps stock being 195* it opens to let coolant inot the radiator to flow threw and cool down. Once it gets below that level it cools and starts to close this is what regulates the engines operating temp. A 180* will do the same but open and close around 180*.

steve_stang2003 · 08-05-2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike_africa

No a thermostat opens and closes at set temps stock being 195* it opens to let coolant inot the radiator to flow threw and cool down. Once it gets below that level it cools and starts to close this is what regulates the engines operating temp. A 180* will do the same but open and close around 180*.

Correct.
Higher temp Tstats get the motor up to operating temperature faster which results in less emissions.
Modern motors are designed to work most efficiently at a certain temperature and the PCM and associated sensors expect to see that temperature.
I'm not claiming that in certain situations a lower temp Tstat isn't beneficial, but overall for a DD it's best to leave the stock unit in there.
A 180 probably won't hurt anything but a 160 is going to more than likely flip a code.

WaterDR · 08-05-2007, 01:38 PM

Ford uses 195 for emissions. Running a bit cooler is better, but running too cool is not good. 180 on a DD is fine. BUT, if you don't increase the size of the radiator, it really won't matter much anyway.

I have a temp guage and after installing a 180, I noticed that my engine ran at....180, BUT, under load and in hot weather, the cooler t-stat does not do shit because my radiator is still stock. So, at 180, the T stat opens, but the rest of the cooling system can't reall keep up.

On a cool day, the temp stays right at 180.

spike_africa · 08-06-2007, 08:33 AM

is your tune setup to turn the fans on a lower temp and off at 180* now?

stage2roush2002 · 08-06-2007, 10:43 AM

Sooooo, does 160* mean cooler? MY friend has a 5.0 and just ordered a 195* tstat.....is this going to help any?

spike_africa · 08-06-2007, 03:38 PM

160* is cooler then 180*. 195* is the stock thermostats rang and wont change anything.

Kains03GT · 08-06-2007, 03:59 PM

I think that a 180* is fine for a dd but 160* might be pushing it a little far unless you got some crazy mods that require it. Correct me if I'm wrong but a 160* on a not so modded car the cpu while still think the engine is in it's warm up period.And them never reach it's required operational temp.Then it could result in some major problems. Thats what I'm thinking.But I'm not sure of the operational temps on a 2v. But I'd like to know.

bassman97 · 08-06-2007, 07:34 PM

You shouldn't run a 160 stat since it will cause increased wear since all the parts in the engine are designed to run at a higher temperature when everything is expanded (as in tolerances are too close to cause things like piston scuffing, etc.). However, if you take that into consideration when building the engine, then go ahead and run it.

spike_africa · 08-07-2007, 01:49 PM

basicly the days of 160* are gone and not needed. A 180* stat is a good cheap mod to help the number 7 & 8 cyclinders from getting even hotter then they allready do. Thats the only reason i have one. IF you have a power adde a 180* stat is a good investment.

08-02-2007, 08:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
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08-02-2007, 08:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	Fallow upper radiator hose it goes to a metal housing thats where the thermostat is at. Its 2 bolts (i think 10mm) do it when the car is cold or you will burn your hands. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

08-02-2007, 10:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
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08-02-2007, 02:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	no like i said just do when the motor is cold. very easy to do. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

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WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	A little fluid will drip, but that is it. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

08-02-2007, 10:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
mpt_1962 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Twentynine Palms, CA Posts: 816	its actually on the motor...follow the hose from the top of the radiator to the top of the engine...take out those 2 bolts and you'll see the stock thermostat...put the new one in JUST LIKE the old one and if you have a new gasket(better to use a new one) make sure you put it in like the stock gasket. I just swapped out stock stat for a 180 before leaving for iraq...

08-02-2007, 10:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
stage2roush2002 Roush #6147 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 476	Do I have to drain the radiator?

08-02-2007, 01:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
mpt_1962 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Twentynine Palms, CA Posts: 816	i didnt when i did mine...less than a cup of coolant fell to the ground when i replaced mine, let it cool off though. I did mine when it was still warm(didnt care too much about getting hot hands) but when i removed the hose some coolant did come out but not much at all...

08-02-2007, 02:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
mpt_1962 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Twentynine Palms, CA Posts: 816	exactly...wait til cold, remove bolts, swap out stat, bolt back up and enjoy cooler running engine...

08-02-2007, 03:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
stage2roush2002 Roush #6147 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 476	ok thanks ya'll

08-02-2007, 09:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
03GTMan Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 23	do you have to tune your car when you do this? will the stock electronics be ok .

08-02-2007, 09:34 PM	#13 (permalink)
jeredan2003 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 1,788	ive heard the engines electronics are designed to operate under 192 degrees.... __________________ 2003 DSG GT 5-speed Hellion 62mm and Flowmaster catback..... My bonestock 2v engine had been through 2 years of NX 100 shot, 3 years running 8-12lbs vortech s-trim, got into boost daily while racing on the weekends, had 157,000 miles on it, and was running like new

08-02-2007, 10:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
03GTMan Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 23	so that would be a no on the tune then.

08-03-2007, 02:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
mpt_1962 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Twentynine Palms, CA Posts: 816	i was told by a tuner its not necessary to tune after installing a stat. He said something about a "rumor" where if your engine runs too cool from installing a lower temp stat that the engine comp will send more gas to the motor to "warm it up"...he said thats false.

08-03-2007, 06:13 AM	#16 (permalink)
stage2roush2002 Roush #6147 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 476	Does the t-stat just sit in there? Does it screw in? Or what?

08-03-2007, 06:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	it justs in there. All you do is unbolt take out the old one and put the new one in just like the other one was. Very simple 15min mod if even. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

08-03-2007, 10:59 AM	#18 (permalink)
caballo Exceptional Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: NE CO Posts: 530	I think lower stats only keep your engine cooler longer. They don't keep it cool. Reason being they open sooner, but eventually your coolant reaches the same temp it would normally. I might be wrong, but I think I'm right. __________________ My eyes!!! I can't see my eyes!!!

08-03-2007, 08:00 PM	#19 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	No a thermostat opens and closes at set temps stock being 195* it opens to let coolant inot the radiator to flow threw and cool down. Once it gets below that level it cools and starts to close this is what regulates the engines operating temp. A 180* will do the same but open and close around 180*. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

08-05-2007, 01:38 PM	#21 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	Ford uses 195 for emissions. Running a bit cooler is better, but running too cool is not good. 180 on a DD is fine. BUT, if you don't increase the size of the radiator, it really won't matter much anyway. I have a temp guage and after installing a 180, I noticed that my engine ran at....180, BUT, under load and in hot weather, the cooler t-stat does not do shit because my radiator is still stock. So, at 180, the T stat opens, but the rest of the cooling system can't reall keep up. On a cool day, the temp stays right at 180. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

08-06-2007, 08:33 AM	#22 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	is your tune setup to turn the fans on a lower temp and off at 180* now? __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

08-06-2007, 10:43 AM	#23 (permalink)
stage2roush2002 Roush #6147 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 476	Sooooo, does 160* mean cooler? MY friend has a 5.0 and just ordered a 195* tstat.....is this going to help any?

08-06-2007, 03:38 PM	#24 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	160* is cooler then 180. 195 is the stock thermostats rang and wont change anything. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

08-06-2007, 03:59 PM	#25 (permalink)
Kains03GT Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dyess A.F.B. Texas Posts: 122	I think that a 180* is fine for a dd but 160* might be pushing it a little far unless you got some crazy mods that require it. Correct me if I'm wrong but a 160* on a not so modded car the cpu while still think the engine is in it's warm up period.And them never reach it's required operational temp.Then it could result in some major problems. Thats what I'm thinking.But I'm not sure of the operational temps on a 2v. But I'd like to know.

08-06-2007, 07:34 PM	#26 (permalink)
bassman97 blank Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 1,494	You shouldn't run a 160 stat since it will cause increased wear since all the parts in the engine are designed to run at a higher temperature when everything is expanded (as in tolerances are too close to cause things like piston scuffing, etc.). However, if you take that into consideration when building the engine, then go ahead and run it.

08-07-2007, 01:49 PM	#27 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	basicly the days of 160* are gone and not needed. A 180* stat is a good cheap mod to help the number 7 & 8 cyclinders from getting even hotter then they allready do. Thats the only reason i have one. IF you have a power adde a 180* stat is a good investment.