Difference between Mustang V6 and Other Cars

battousai287 · 03-02-2007, 09:32 PM

i have one question. ive got a V6 mustang with about 200 horses, its a 2000.my friend just got a mitsubishi eclipse (06) and its also a V6, but only like a 2 something liter, but stock is 263 horses. my question is, whats his car got that i dont. is there anything i can do to give a V6 more power?

CCM · 03-02-2007, 10:13 PM

There's a few key things about the way that eclipse's V6 operates that gives it more power than your Mustang's V6.

1. Your V6 is a pushrod engine, meaning it has a single camshaft and only 2 valves per cylinder. The mitsubishi V6 is DOHC, which among other things means that it has 4 valves per cylinder. More valves=better airflow, which in turn means more power.

2. The mitsubishi motor has a higher compression ratio than your Mustang's V6.

3. The stroke of the mitsubishi V6 is undoubtedly shorter than your Mustang's, which means it can rev faster and have a higher redline.

Keep in mind that this is all lamens terms, and that the cliff notes is your Mustang is using engine technology dating back to the 50s, while the Eclipse's engine is much more up to date and efficient.

The only way to get real power with your V6 is either going to be a wet nitrous kit or a turbocharger.

Ghostalker · 03-02-2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCM

There's a few key things about the way that eclipse's V6 operates that gives it more power than your Mustang's V6.

1. Your V6 is a pushrod engine, meaning it has a single camshaft and only 2 valves per cylinder. The mitsubishi V6 is DOHC, which among other things means that it has 4 valves per cylinder. More valves=better airflow, which in turn means more power.

2. The mitsubishi motor has a higher compression ratio than your Mustang's V6.

3. The stroke of the mitsubishi V6 is undoubtedly shorter than your Mustang's, which means it can rev faster and have a higher redline.

Keep in mind that this is all lamens terms, and that the cliff notes is your Mustang is using engine technology dating back to the 50s, while the Eclipse's engine is much more up to date and efficient.

The only way to get real power with your V6 is either going to be a wet nitrous kit or a turbocharger.

Agreed

Quote:

Originally Posted by battousai287

my friend just got a mitsubishi eclipse (06) and its also a V6, but only like a 2 something liter, but stock is 263 horses.

Incorrect, his v6 is the same size as yours (3.8) but has all new technology, like CCM said.
It has DOHC, Variable valve timing (basically vtec), and operates at a higher RPM...
And FWD... yeah, the new eclipse GT v6 is fubar'ed compared to 95-99... would have been a damn nice time to return to AWD

battousai287 · 03-03-2007, 01:56 PM

so is the engine really the only thing that makes that huge 60 hp jump? i know i could put a v8 in my car but that would cost a fortune changing everything else to fit it and paying the mechanic an arm and both legs, but would if be possible to drop a new V6 engine in it? but not a new 2006 mustang engine either, cause it still isnt much more horsepower. i mean like an engine from a completely different car that wouldnt require change much else in my car?

6erPony01 · 03-03-2007, 02:12 PM

That would be like ripping the heart out of a true mustang, and the engine is what makes it what it is kinda. It would be more power, and im not bashing you, but its like in tokyo drift when they put a 350Z engine in the ol' stang, you know? I too feel bad knowing that we have more literage than eclipses and even new V6 chargers, but 60 or less HP.......

thats the way it is unless you really shake stuff up with the engine haha

GREG@SN95 · 03-03-2007, 03:45 PM

the v6 in the 06 mustang makes more HP then the 302 in the sn95s...

so if you can find a cheap v6 out of an s197... go for it...

03-03-2007, 05:16 PM

Nissan 350z engines are 3.5 liters and they are pushing 310 stock now.

WaterDR · 03-03-2007, 06:08 PM

People don't buy V-6 Mustangs because they are fast, so don't get too wrapped-up around the axle on being slower then a few cars out there.

Also, you will notice that while there are a lot of small displacement motors making big power, the torque generally sucks-ass. hp can not tell the whole story.

I had an Eclipse Spider when I was working in LA a few weeks ago as a rental. It was 4 cyl and was embarrassing as far as power is concerned. Holy shit, every mini-van on the planet was faster that that peice of crap.

I was shocked at how nice the car looked and how crappy it accelerated. Hope the 6-ers are better.

tennstang · 03-03-2007, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GREG@SN95

the v6 in the 06 mustang makes more HP then the 302 in the sn95s...

so if you can find a cheap v6 out of an s197... go for it...

Greg.. Yer Avatar is killing me!

stang88 · 03-05-2007, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6erPony01

That would be like ripping the heart out of a true mustang, and the engine is what makes it what it is kinda. It would be more power, and im not bashing you, but its like in tokyo drift when they put a 350Z engine in the ol' stang, you know?

agreed

Milos · 03-05-2007, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterDR

People don't buy V-6 Mustangs because they are fast

I bought it for the history

doobie · 03-05-2007, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterDR

People don't buy V-6 Mustangs because they are fast, so don't get too wrapped-up around the axle on being slower then a few cars out there.

i bought it because it's what i could afford

Ghostalker · 03-05-2007, 10:30 PM

I bought my first mustang (1995 v6) to learn 5 spd, rwd, fun little car, 3 grand, and it looked so damn sexy when I was done with it lol.

GREG@SN95 · 03-07-2007, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennstang

Greg.. Yer Avatar is killing me!

I got banned for it... lol...

00blkstanggt · 03-08-2007, 11:02 AM

I had a 98 eclipse before i bought the stang. It was just the GS model and it had like 150hp. It was slow, but it was a nice little car with great gas mileage. They need to return to the AWD turbo days. At the last car show I was at they had a prototype of the new eclipse with a race package installed. It had huge breaks, a body kit that was actually useful and looked good, and also had a beefed up EVO engine in it. I would have taken it. To bad it will never be made.

03-02-2007, 09:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
battousai287 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19	Difference between Mustang V6 and Other Cars i have one question. ive got a V6 mustang with about 200 horses, its a 2000.my friend just got a mitsubishi eclipse (06) and its also a V6, but only like a 2 something liter, but stock is 263 horses. my question is, whats his car got that i dont. is there anything i can do to give a V6 more power?

03-02-2007, 10:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
CCM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,382	There's a few key things about the way that eclipse's V6 operates that gives it more power than your Mustang's V6. 1. Your V6 is a pushrod engine, meaning it has a single camshaft and only 2 valves per cylinder. The mitsubishi V6 is DOHC, which among other things means that it has 4 valves per cylinder. More valves=better airflow, which in turn means more power. 2. The mitsubishi motor has a higher compression ratio than your Mustang's V6. 3. The stroke of the mitsubishi V6 is undoubtedly shorter than your Mustang's, which means it can rev faster and have a higher redline. Keep in mind that this is all lamens terms, and that the cliff notes is your Mustang is using engine technology dating back to the 50s, while the Eclipse's engine is much more up to date and efficient. The only way to get real power with your V6 is either going to be a wet nitrous kit or a turbocharger. __________________ 2001 MINERAL GRAY GT (5-speed) H&R SuperSports MM 4-Bolt CC Plates Stoptech SS Brake Lines '03 Cobra Brakes Spec Billet Steel Flywheel Spec Stage 2 Clutch FRPP 4.10s X-Calibrator 2 Full Length Subframes Corbeau Legacy Racing Seats 18" Gunmetal Saleen Rims w/ Nitto 555s

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WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	People don't buy V-6 Mustangs because they are fast, so don't get too wrapped-up around the axle on being slower then a few cars out there. Also, you will notice that while there are a lot of small displacement motors making big power, the torque generally sucks-ass. hp can not tell the whole story. I had an Eclipse Spider when I was working in LA a few weeks ago as a rental. It was 4 cyl and was embarrassing as far as power is concerned. Holy shit, every mini-van on the planet was faster that that peice of crap. I was shocked at how nice the car looked and how crappy it accelerated. Hope the 6-ers are better. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

03-05-2007, 10:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ghostalker BOLO 4 ME Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 2,293	I bought my first mustang (1995 v6) to learn 5 spd, rwd, fun little car, 3 grand, and it looked so damn sexy when I was done with it lol. __________________ Ghosty is in need of some mods...

03-08-2007, 11:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
00blkstanggt Hot, Nasty, Bad ass speed Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Livermore, Ca Posts: 1,748	I had a 98 eclipse before i bought the stang. It was just the GS model and it had like 150hp. It was slow, but it was a nice little car with great gas mileage. They need to return to the AWD turbo days. At the last car show I was at they had a prototype of the new eclipse with a race package installed. It had huge breaks, a body kit that was actually useful and looked good, and also had a beefed up EVO engine in it. I would have taken it. To bad it will never be made. __________________ Sound clip of my car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-MhgSI-owQ

03-03-2007, 01:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
battousai287 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19	so is the engine really the only thing that makes that huge 60 hp jump? i know i could put a v8 in my car but that would cost a fortune changing everything else to fit it and paying the mechanic an arm and both legs, but would if be possible to drop a new V6 engine in it? but not a new 2006 mustang engine either, cause it still isnt much more horsepower. i mean like an engine from a completely different car that wouldnt require change much else in my car?

03-03-2007, 02:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
6erPony01 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 34	That would be like ripping the heart out of a true mustang, and the engine is what makes it what it is kinda. It would be more power, and im not bashing you, but its like in tokyo drift when they put a 350Z engine in the ol' stang, you know? I too feel bad knowing that we have more literage than eclipses and even new V6 chargers, but 60 or less HP....... thats the way it is unless you really shake stuff up with the engine haha

03-03-2007, 03:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
GREG@SN95 Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: JACKSON NJ Posts: 4,135	the v6 in the 06 mustang makes more HP then the 302 in the sn95s... so if you can find a cheap v6 out of an s197... go for it...

03-03-2007, 05:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
SpinMedia Posts: n/a	Nissan 350z engines are 3.5 liters and they are pushing 310 stock now.

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