King's for sale thread comment thread
#61
01-07-2010 | 03:44 PM
iDontcare
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,432
From: Colorado
Gillz, I stand corrected. I could've swore that I had mentioned that I'm upside down on my loan here...but then again I've got a thread like this going on on several sites.
Anyway, when I bought it the economy was thriving -- I had a secure job, and was confident that I could make this work. Then I left my job for school and when I came back there were no jobs to be had for 10 months. Then I fell into the emissions job I've got today, and I've only had this since August. But last summer book for my car dropped over $6,000...you don't usually expect that to happen. So am I a dumbass? No, just got caught in a bad situation along with millions of other folks once the economy tanked.
As far as RWD cars are concerned, most are easy to drive in the snow - V6 Mustang's included. But when buying a V8 Mach 1 in the Spring you're not thinking about the weather that's going to be coming in the end of the year. I don't care who you are, that is not running through your mind. So, like I said in another thread, 'ignorance is bliss' I suppose.
Anyway, I gracefully accept my nomination for gayest argument of year because it really has been. Hell, I almost went to the Stephen level for comments there for a little while, and that sickens me. So I'm done with all of that.
But fact of the matter is that in my current financial situation, keeping the Mach does not make sense.
And Evan, I can't fit in Ford Rangers. I'm 6'5''.
I also can't fit into any of the 90s Nissan Pathfinders, and a few other vehicles. (just thought that I would throw that random fact out there for everybody)
Anyway, when I bought it the economy was thriving -- I had a secure job, and was confident that I could make this work. Then I left my job for school and when I came back there were no jobs to be had for 10 months. Then I fell into the emissions job I've got today, and I've only had this since August. But last summer book for my car dropped over $6,000...you don't usually expect that to happen. So am I a dumbass? No, just got caught in a bad situation along with millions of other folks once the economy tanked.
As far as RWD cars are concerned, most are easy to drive in the snow - V6 Mustang's included. But when buying a V8 Mach 1 in the Spring you're not thinking about the weather that's going to be coming in the end of the year. I don't care who you are, that is not running through your mind. So, like I said in another thread, 'ignorance is bliss' I suppose.
Anyway, I gracefully accept my nomination for gayest argument of year because it really has been. Hell, I almost went to the Stephen level for comments there for a little while, and that sickens me. So I'm done with all of that.
But fact of the matter is that in my current financial situation, keeping the Mach does not make sense.
And Evan, I can't fit in Ford Rangers. I'm 6'5''.
I also can't fit into any of the 90s Nissan Pathfinders, and a few other vehicles. (just thought that I would throw that random fact out there for everybody)
#62
01-07-2010 | 04:33 PM
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Ninja
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,155
From: OH
Ok, so, how about this. Go on autotrader, list up all trucks, all makes, etc..
then change the filter so it displays the cars/trucks with the highest mileage.
I did this, within 500 miles of my home, all trucks, all makes, models, years, etc, placed highest mileage first.
1) 2000 Ford F350, 397,000 miles
2) 2003 Dodge Ram = 364,000 miles
3) 1999 toyota tacoma, 320,000 miles
4) 2000 ford F350 319,000 miles
5) 1999 ford F350 307,000 miles
6) 1998 dodge ram, 307,702 miles
7) 1986 Chevrolet Silverado 300,000 miles
8) 1999 Ford F350 296,000 miles
9) 1995 ford F250, 291,000 miles
10) 1999 ford F150 285,000 miles
so.... we have one toyota, and 6 fords, 2 dodges, and one chevy.
i dunno man, your statement doesent seem to hold up very well.
lets go a bit further so we can find more imports
11) 1997 chevy cilverado 284k
12) 1986 nissan pickup, 279k
13) ford f350, 279k
14) chevy silverado, 275k
15) ford F250 274k
16) ford f250 273k
17) Ford F250 267k
18) chevy silverado 264k
19) chevy silverado 262k
20) Ford F350 259k miles.
huh... thats wierd... looks like all the running trucks with real high mileage are domestic trucks from the big 3, outnumbering toyota and nissan 19 to 1.
put that in your toyota and smoke it.
EDIT: Ya know, it really does take a while before you start finding imports, i kept searching down, out of 50 trucks over 200,000 miles, 3-4 were imports, the rest are domestic.
what happened to all the super reliable imports? .. oh yah, they got junked at 163,000 miles.
HAHAHAHAHA
then change the filter so it displays the cars/trucks with the highest mileage.
I did this, within 500 miles of my home, all trucks, all makes, models, years, etc, placed highest mileage first.
1) 2000 Ford F350, 397,000 miles
2) 2003 Dodge Ram = 364,000 miles
3) 1999 toyota tacoma, 320,000 miles
4) 2000 ford F350 319,000 miles
5) 1999 ford F350 307,000 miles
6) 1998 dodge ram, 307,702 miles
7) 1986 Chevrolet Silverado 300,000 miles
8) 1999 Ford F350 296,000 miles
9) 1995 ford F250, 291,000 miles
10) 1999 ford F150 285,000 miles
so.... we have one toyota, and 6 fords, 2 dodges, and one chevy.
i dunno man, your statement doesent seem to hold up very well.
lets go a bit further so we can find more imports
11) 1997 chevy cilverado 284k
12) 1986 nissan pickup, 279k
13) ford f350, 279k
14) chevy silverado, 275k
15) ford F250 274k
16) ford f250 273k
17) Ford F250 267k
18) chevy silverado 264k
19) chevy silverado 262k
20) Ford F350 259k miles.
huh... thats wierd... looks like all the running trucks with real high mileage are domestic trucks from the big 3, outnumbering toyota and nissan 19 to 1.
put that in your toyota and smoke it.
EDIT: Ya know, it really does take a while before you start finding imports, i kept searching down, out of 50 trucks over 200,000 miles, 3-4 were imports, the rest are domestic.
what happened to all the super reliable imports? .. oh yah, they got junked at 163,000 miles.
HAHAHAHAHA
Another reason you dont see many yodas for sale, is that ppl love them and are still driving them and they havent let them down in any way at all. Your example not only doesnt apply to the topic, but its a skewed view of the market based on for sale ads and units produced.
If you think that a ridgeline is a truck...you are a moron.
#63
01-07-2010 | 04:36 PM
Ketchum & Killem
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,065
You can't really use this as a basis for your example though. Just because the imports with high mileage aren't up for sale, doesn't mean they aren't still running hence why the owner doesn't want to give it up. Hence why you don't see them on autotrader. American cars get a bad rap, but I think a lot of the reliability comes down to the person who takes care of the car. My uncle has a 99 F150 with over 300,000 miles on it and hasn't had to do any major repairs. He changes the oil on time and that's about it. I've seen imports last a long time and not last that long. Same for american.
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That absolutly shows that there are more high mileage domestic trucks in running condition on the road.
The idea that import owners just dont ever sell thier high mileage trucks is rediculous. Trucks are trucks, cars are cars, most people who buy them eventually sell them. The lack of high mileage toyotas on the list clearly shows that there is a lack of high mileage toyotas that are in running condition, especially when comparing them to domestic trucks.
Im not saying that domestics are any more reliable than imports, but i AM saying that zigs statement that a toyota truck is far more reliable than any american truck is complete and utter bullshit.
no offence zig.
lol
#64
01-07-2010 | 04:41 PM
Ketchum & Killem
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,065
those are ones for sale... has NOTHING to do with longevity. They outnumber imports because chevy alone cranks out more trucks than all the imports combined here in the states.
Another reason you dont see many yodas for sale, is that ppl love them and are still driving them and they havent let them down in any way at all. Your example not only doesnt apply to the topic, but its a skewed view of the market based on for sale ads and units produced.
If you think that a ridgeline is a truck...you are a moron.
Another reason you dont see many yodas for sale, is that ppl love them and are still driving them and they havent let them down in any way at all. Your example not only doesnt apply to the topic, but its a skewed view of the market based on for sale ads and units produced.
If you think that a ridgeline is a truck...you are a moron.
Im gonna stump you real quick with this.
"Back up your statement with valid proof that toyota trucks are more reliable than any fo the big 3"
and dont just give me some **** about them being better than the 02 ram, or the 99 ranger, i want proof that toyotas trucks in general are better and more reliabe than the big 3.
because all i see are a lack of any toyotas running around with over 200k miles.
to me it looks like 95% of them blew the **** up.
lol
EVEN IF the big 3 produce more trucks, if toyota was so goddamn reliable then we should STILL see more and more toyota trucks, because they should all outlast the fords, chevys and dodges.
but we dont see that either
#65
01-07-2010 | 05:03 PM
KWITCHERBITCHIN
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 6,024
From: Gallatin, TN
This is an interesting study by KBB.. Doesn't necessarily prove anything, but I thought the information was well.. Interesting.
http://mediaroom.kbb.com/kelley-blue...ation-declines
http://mediaroom.kbb.com/kelley-blue...ation-declines
#66
01-07-2010 | 05:22 PM
Ketchum & Killem
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,065
I dug around a bit, i cant find anything that shows imports trucks to be more reliable than domestic trucks... ir vica versa..
but you know me..
Nothing gets my attention faster than taking a hardball stance on a subject and making unverified or unvalidated statements and declaring them as fact.
personally i think that is whats wrong with the world today, people generally believe any summarization that sounds good to them, without bothering to see if it is true or not.
but you know me..
Nothing gets my attention faster than taking a hardball stance on a subject and making unverified or unvalidated statements and declaring them as fact.
personally i think that is whats wrong with the world today, people generally believe any summarization that sounds good to them, without bothering to see if it is true or not.
#67
01-07-2010 | 05:39 PM
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Ninja
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Posts: 10,155
From: OH
Ok jack, whatever. I have proof here in my driveway. So do about 20 other people I know.
Im not going to rely on trucks that are for sale for a basis of reliability. Those trucks are for sale because the person selling them doesnt want them anymore...wonder why. Combine that with how chevy/dodge/ford make hundreds of thousands more trucks than toyota/nissan (US market) and its no wonder why you can find 20 or 2000 high mileage american trucks for sale and hardly any japanese trucks.
You are smart enough to know that if you have 10,000 of one thing and 100 of another, that more of the 10,000 group will be represented in a market, than the 100 group.
Why is your beater a Honda? Cause you know that it doesnt matter if it has a billion miles on it...it will still work. cant say the same thing about a chevy cavalier, or dodge neon, or ford escort.
New jap trucks are failing faster and faster... well ****...they are made in america. go figure. (it pains me to say that, but its true)
Im not going to rely on trucks that are for sale for a basis of reliability. Those trucks are for sale because the person selling them doesnt want them anymore...wonder why. Combine that with how chevy/dodge/ford make hundreds of thousands more trucks than toyota/nissan (US market) and its no wonder why you can find 20 or 2000 high mileage american trucks for sale and hardly any japanese trucks.
You are smart enough to know that if you have 10,000 of one thing and 100 of another, that more of the 10,000 group will be represented in a market, than the 100 group.
Why is your beater a Honda? Cause you know that it doesnt matter if it has a billion miles on it...it will still work. cant say the same thing about a chevy cavalier, or dodge neon, or ford escort.
New jap trucks are failing faster and faster... well ****...they are made in america. go figure. (it pains me to say that, but its true)
Last edited by zigzagg321; 01-07-2010 at 05:42 PM.
#69
01-07-2010 | 06:05 PM
Ketchum & Killem
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,065
Ok jack, whatever. I have proof here in my driveway. So do about 20 other people I know.
Im not going to rely on trucks that are for sale for a basis of reliability. Those trucks are for sale because the person selling them doesnt want them anymore...wonder why. Combine that with how chevy/dodge/ford make hundreds of thousands more trucks than toyota/nissan (US market) and its no wonder why you can find 20 or 2000 high mileage american trucks for sale and hardly any japanese trucks.
You are smart enough to know that if you have 10,000 of one thing and 100 of another, that more of the 10,000 group will be represented in a market, than the 100 group.
Why is your beater a Honda? Cause you know that it doesnt matter if it has a billion miles on it...it will still work. cant say the same thing about a chevy cavalier, or dodge neon, or ford escort.
New jap trucks are failing faster and faster... well ****...they are made in america. go figure. (it pains me to say that, but its true)
Im not going to rely on trucks that are for sale for a basis of reliability. Those trucks are for sale because the person selling them doesnt want them anymore...wonder why. Combine that with how chevy/dodge/ford make hundreds of thousands more trucks than toyota/nissan (US market) and its no wonder why you can find 20 or 2000 high mileage american trucks for sale and hardly any japanese trucks.
You are smart enough to know that if you have 10,000 of one thing and 100 of another, that more of the 10,000 group will be represented in a market, than the 100 group.
Why is your beater a Honda? Cause you know that it doesnt matter if it has a billion miles on it...it will still work. cant say the same thing about a chevy cavalier, or dodge neon, or ford escort.
New jap trucks are failing faster and faster... well ****...they are made in america. go figure. (it pains me to say that, but its true)
soooo...... you are basically saying you cant backup what you said.
there is nothing wrong about liking toyota, i dont have any issues with imports myself
but i dont undertsand the practice of making wild claims of import vs domestic and bashing domestics when you cant provide a shred of proof other than "i like toyota"
EDIT: Ya know what? when you change the filter to go off price or anything other than high mileage, all of the sudden there are plenty of those toyotas for sale.
so i guess the new ones are junk, the old ones dont get sold? lol
Last edited by JackThe Ripper; 01-07-2010 at 06:13 PM.
#70
01-07-2010 | 06:28 PM
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Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 558
From: Ashland, KY
Damn dude 6'5' how do u fit in the mustang then? I'm 6'1' and mine doesn't fit me to well. I also drive a 99 ranger that I fit in more comfortably than most everything I have drove. Sucks to c u sell ur car, its one of my favorite cars on here. Hope u sell it quick b4 u change ur mind.
#71
01-07-2010 | 06:35 PM
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From: Ashland, KY
What part of KY u from? I live on the border of OH and WV in Ashland.
#72
01-07-2010 | 07:07 PM
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Ninja
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Posts: 10,155
From: OH
soooo...... you are basically saying you cant backup what you said.
there is nothing wrong about liking toyota, i dont have any issues with imports myself
but i dont undertsand the practice of making wild claims of import vs domestic and bashing domestics when you cant provide a shred of proof other than "i like toyota"
EDIT: Ya know what? when you change the filter to go off price or anything other than high mileage, all of the sudden there are plenty of those toyotas for sale.
so i guess the new ones are junk, the old ones dont get sold? lol
there is nothing wrong about liking toyota, i dont have any issues with imports myself
but i dont undertsand the practice of making wild claims of import vs domestic and bashing domestics when you cant provide a shred of proof other than "i like toyota"
EDIT: Ya know what? when you change the filter to go off price or anything other than high mileage, all of the sudden there are plenty of those toyotas for sale.
so i guess the new ones are junk, the old ones dont get sold? lol
The old ones are more reliable than the new ones it seems.
I included Nissan. "I like toyotas" has nothing to do with any of this.
Claiming that Japanese vehicles are more reliable than american vehicles is hardly a "wild" claim.
I dont need to back up what I am saying... whats more reliable? Japanese or American? Seriously?
The answer is obvious. No back up needed.
American car makers are getting better these days it seems...hope they keep it up.
My stang was dead nuts reliable...but it likely wouldnt be with 200k on the odo like my toyota.
#76
01-07-2010 | 08:39 PM
Lol, my stang's 5-speed was going out with 121k. I vote your dad's was a fluke
#82
01-07-2010 | 08:50 PM
KWITCHERBITCHIN
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 6,024
From: Gallatin, TN
My old '98 Sixxer had over 140k and was still going strong with no hint of stopping. There are plenty of documented Mustangs going well over 200k and beyond.
#86
01-07-2010 | 09:22 PM
iDontcare
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,432
From: Colorado
Well, on that note I have put in my request to be banned. I don't like this place anymore. So I take back what I said when I said I'll stick around -- I've changed my mind.
Stephen coming back is rediculous -- and real life is more entertaining anyway. I will sell this on my own, get a light SUV and probably never get a mustang again because it has become brutally apparent by this site that only douchebags can drive mustangs. So, goodbye.
Stephen coming back is rediculous -- and real life is more entertaining anyway. I will sell this on my own, get a light SUV and probably never get a mustang again because it has become brutally apparent by this site that only douchebags can drive mustangs. So, goodbye.
#88
01-07-2010 | 09:42 PM
Banned
Joined: Jan 2010
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Well, on that note I have put in my request to be banned. I don't like this place anymore. So I take back what I said when I said I'll stick around -- I've changed my mind.
Stephen coming back is rediculous -- and real life is more entertaining anyway. I will sell this on my own, get a light SUV and probably never get a mustang again because it has become brutally apparent by this site that only douchebags can drive mustangs. So, goodbye.
Stephen coming back is rediculous -- and real life is more entertaining anyway. I will sell this on my own, get a light SUV and probably never get a mustang again because it has become brutally apparent by this site that only douchebags can drive mustangs. So, goodbye.
#89
01-07-2010 | 09:45 PM
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From: Upstate, SC
