if theres a thread already explaining this, just give me a link or something...thanks

but when getting nitrous, what are the different kinds and what do they do? When buying nitrous how big of a shot is big enough not to mess up car? Do u also need to get other parts so that your car will handle the nitrous properly?

thx...

 

I just got schooled in this the other day.........this belongs in the power adder section and I would read the sticky in there because you'll have a better idea, differences, etc. everything is in there.

Heres the link:
Nitrous 101

 

yea i found it, lol...

if i ever got NO2, id want whatever is safer for me lol cause i wouldnt wanna blow myself up :banana:

 

Same here. I'm going nitrous next month and i'm scared s***less about blowing my engine up. I know how ya feel.

 

n/a = no headaches and worries of blowing your car up have fun replacing that engine tho

 

If you do it right no engine blow up

 

i've been told 100 shot but I think Dustin is running 125........You need to talk to him he knows all about nitrous

but in my opinion and I most likey will be running an 100 shot.

 

:banana: do some safe 50-75 shots...lol wont do much but safe

 

What i've been told is dont redline the car with nitrous. Know what the max hp is on your car. Say you have 4.6L max hp is 400. so if your pusing supposedly 300 hp...doubt it but come on think about it you dont want to go over a 100 shot. 300+100=400......kinda make sense

 

thats basic 1st grade math

oh and about the track thing, lets go early feb. if i find a GT...lol my friend wants to go also (he has a 92 camaro RS...his tranny f'd up so he has to get new one... lol)

 

Yeah it is pretty basic in what to do with nitrous.......just makes sense after someone sits down and explains the basics of what to do and not to do and what to get.

Early Feb.? Try and expedite that. If I get my nitrous i'm gonna gets antsy to use it...lol

 

Given the weak knees on the mustang in the form of the tranny, diff, pistons, rods, clutch... I wouldn't go over a 75 shot. Your 19# injectors can theoretically handle that much fuel demand for short bursts but they'll be maxed out pretty well and your fuel pump isn't big enough to handle the normal demands placed on them.

So, you want the easy answers? There are no easy answers. Drive like an idiot and do a 20 second nitrous blast in the middle of a hot summer day after driving all over hell and gone, say hello to a new motor. Be sensible, watch the RPM's, use 91 octane, pull your chip if you have one, or retard the timing a little if you can, 2 step colder plugs, 255lph fuel pump, 24# injectors and a 75 dry shot. Nice and clean, easy to install (mostly) and pretty safe. Make sure you get a good kit with a WOT switch (preferably an electronic/programmable one), a fuel pressure safety switch, and a bottle heater. All in, you should have about 1200 bucks into the parts and labor and you'll have a nice easy safe system. Then, make sure you've already done the brakes (personal bias..), get a heavier duty than stock clutch, and go beat your best times.

There is no guarantee that you won't blow something. Ever. Even without nitrous lots of guys smoke their motors just beating on them at the weekend drag races. Use your head and you'll be fine. Don't fear the giggle gas.

 

with cams heads and LTs you dont have to think, you just drive

 

Lets say i got the Venom VCN 1000 no2 kit from this site, is that a good kit and would anything else need to be bought? fuel pump or anything or na

 

Very well put! Great advice. The more your spray, the greater your risk PERIOD. All you can do is to minimize risk first by not being an idiot, and secodly by taking precautions.

Anytime you touch the motor, you have no warranty and you risk a blown engine.

I saw a kid two years ago in a new Mustang at the track. He had just added cams and blew the motor on the first run. Something gave loose, so while I tend to agree that n/a applications are safer, not really once you start ripping off heads.

If safety is a big priority to you anf you have a budget then don't look past the Venom systems. If you stick with a 75 shot and have only minor bolt-ons (pullies, X pipe, catback) your fuel system will no where near tap out, so you can stick with stock fuel pump and injectors. If you plan on running the larger nozzle which is about a 100 shot (you will get about 90 rwhp), then you should consider upgrading the fuel pump and injectors.

Keep in mind that the term "shot" is really mis-used in my opinion. What the hell is a shot, right? Can mean different things to different people. The better way to look at it is hp improvement, that is what really matters anyway.

Your engine, fuel pump, MAF, etc... is limited not to "shot" but to horsepower. Venom systems tend to be conservative. The nozzles are rated by size of opening and not by "shot" or even by hp. But I am most concerned with is how much power the car produces. No matter what kit you are using, you can only run so much hp safely on a stock engine and stock fuel system. You also have to factor in your tune.

For example, one guy could be running a rich as hell tune with an NX setup using a 100 shot and another guy might have a cutome tune. The second guy might get 15 hp more then the first and be tapped out on his fuel pump, yet they both have the same kit!

Getting back to Venom....this is a very safe kit so long as you don't get carried away and you have no plans for giant bursts of nitrous down the road. The kits are designed out of the box to run on completely stock engines, plugs, pumps, etc...

When you have mods, things change and how much nitrous you can safely add will decrease because the engine and fuel system can only tollerate so much power safely.

I have spent hours on the phone with the engineers that designed the Venom system over the course of two years and am very confident in the system. It is not the end all, be all to nitrous and this kit is not for everyone. It has it's limitations as they all do, but for the ocassional nitrous user who is satisfied with a safe 80 or so rwhp increase with a stock fuel system, you can't go wrong.

BTW, I run the largest nozzle that Venom send you (about a 100 shot) with my stock fuel system, but use colder plugs and retard my timing. I have 24 lb injectors and a focus fuel pump that I am planning on installing, but have not yet as I am considering going with a Procharger.

If I got he s/c route, I am considering keeping the nitrous and spraying the outside of the intercooler, or I may just sell it.

 

So has anyone seen a setup with s/c and nitrous?

 

thx for all the info, so would the venom 1000 running 50-75shots would be a safe bet? and what does retarding your time mean?

 

only on built engines. i seen a 03 cobra with a 150 shot but that was a work in progress at modular power house.

 

I have never seen one in person, but have only seen vids of cobras spraying.

Spraying with a blower can be done in one of three ways. One is to simply spray a dinky 20 shot just to drop the intake temp a bit to prevent detonation and/or to advance the timing a tad. This does not really add more oxygen from the nitrous, just drop the temp. This would serve the same purpose as methanol injection.

The second eay is to go with a much larger shot. I would think the later would be a lot harder to tune and add to the risk factor quite a bit.

The third method is something I have never seen but thought of and that would be to spray the outside of the intercooler. This would serve the same pupose as the first method, but would allow much larger shots to be used w/o adding any oxygen at all since none of the nitrous would go into the engine. Sort of like creating a cold winter day.

 

Nothing is "safe" just "safer" - LOL If you get the Venom, I would say running the second largest nozzle (about a 75 shot) is "safe". You may want to upgrade your fuel pump and injectors to run the 100, but that depends on other mods.

 

alright, if i did no2 it wouldnt be for awhile neways... (what size injectors?)

 

24 lbers should be fine.

 

The VCN 1000 is designed to run on a Stock 4.6L so you should be able to run it with your STOCK setup (19lb inj.,fuel pump, etc.) as long as you stay conservative no more then 75hp jetting as Blake said before! to insure you get the most out of your system you should atleast go with a 1 step colder plug. If you decide to go with a bigger jetting (100Hp) then take the necessary precautions and upgrade your fuel pump, injectors, get a good nitrous tune, yara, yara, yara.....

 

if you run a 75, how much rwhp would that give?

and what r colder plugs

 

OK, now here is where things get dicey. The widely misused and abused term "shot" can mean two different things. Some companies rate their systems at the flywheel and others at the tires. Personally, rating at the flywheel is much smarter and makes more sense. Why? because at least you know what load you are putting on the motor. And, different tranmisions absorb hp to one extent or another.

So, with that said, one 75 shot from one system might get you close to 75 rwhp, while another might get you more like 60 wrhp. It is not that one system works better then the other as it all depends how much actual nitrous you are using. The more nitrous, the more power. On a system that rates at the flywheel, you can always get a bigger nozzle and get the same end result with the same amount of nitrous being used.

The NX systems rate at the wheels. Most others rate at the flywheel. Venom really does neither. If you ask the company they give you are range for each nozzle because the power varies depending on bottle pressure.

With the Venom kit, you will get 4 nozzles. The third largest should get you close to 70 hp running at 950 psi.

 

Plugs serve two purposes: provide spark and cool the combustion chamber. Everyone forgets about the later, but it is an important role. Differen plugs are rated to cooler more or less. For optimal performance, a car should be equipped with as "cold" as possible plugs to the point that they do not foul. If the temp drops too low, then the fuel will not burn-off completely.

On a stock Mustang, the plugs are designed to be on the hot side for emissions purposes. Thing is, with nitrous, you run the risk of detonation with these stock plugs because of temp being high. By running "colder" plugs, you build yourself a margin of error.

I recomend one step colder, copper plugs when running nitrous. Many experts think that you should drop a heat range (one step colder) for each 50 shot. But, if your plugs are too cold, you will have problems running n/a.

Another thing, my car never runs better then it does after a nitrous blast. Rasing that temp really seems to clean things up.

Also, read up on "reading plugs". IMO, anyone running a power adder should know how to read plugs to dtermine if you are running rich or lean, especially with nitrous.

 

alright, so if i got the Venom VCN1000 (4 nozzles) and then just get colder plugs, itll be basically ready to use?

on MT site, what r better, steeda plugs or the venom ? im guessing venom since they are for the system??

 

I did not know either Steeda or Venom made spark plugs. I would just get a set of Autolite 103's. They are cheap and work great. You need to gap them. The stock gap is 0.55. The general recomendation for nitrous is to gap at 0.35. However, with a smaller shot as you have planned, I think I would run them at 0.40 or 0.45. You should not need to gap then real tight. Even if you stayed with a stock gap, you should be fine. The pupose of gapping them tighter is to prevent spark blowout from the nitrous.

 

I just bought a NX Nitrous kit today....bwhahahha :clap: good friggen deal too