Ok, this is wrong! The ONLY difference in the stage 2 is the 3 core intercooler is upgraded from a 2 core. And yes this is correct because if you look at the individual prices for a HO procharger with 2 core, the upgrade to a 3 core is 400$. there is NOOO P-1sc-2 head unit that comes with the 4.6 engine, the only way you could POSSIBLY get this is by upgrading to it, I'm sure you could directly from Procharger, but even alllll their dealer's website's don't have this listed, only the upgrade to a D-1sc. Doesn't matter, I'm getting a S or T-trim anyways. Procharger is too risky too.

 

The procharger has a longer warranty than the vortech so there is no way that is too risky at the same boost levels especially since the procharger is intercooled in the package - not to mention its a better enginered and thoughtout setup (air to air & self contained)- the reason the p1-sc 2 is not listed as such is bc its a new modle of the P-1sc- as explained by a procharger rep in a corvette forum - same basic design the p1sc 2 is larger throughout resulting in increased air flow = more power - 40-50 more to be exact. Congrats our vortech blower anyway it will be a vast improvment over stock and the more vortechs people get the better - the more races i will win.

 

Not mention if you look at your own pole the consenus by a large margin agrees that the procharger is the best system.

 

I didn't make the pole. lol. And D-1 is out of the question, too much blower for the stock block.

 

Since I am the moron who started this poll, let me explain. What I was really looking for was a Vortech vs Procharger discussion, not so much which model.

I think I have decided to go Procharger and I am going to with a 8 psi system with the stage stage inter-cooler. I am not going to upgrade to the D version.

 

That is a good point, but a tough argument. Fact is, If I wanted to be cheap, I could buy a 99 V-6 for $7500, get a GT motor off a junk yard for $1000 and buy a blower and have an '03 Cobra eater for well less then $15k.

Buying newer, lower miles GT and adding blowers vs just buying a Cobra poses another problem: Insurance and Re-sale? The Cobra will ALWAYS be the better, smarter investment then modding a newer GT regardless of which one is faster. Modded cars have no re-sale.

Sure I could buy an '03 GT for $19k and drop in blower etc and have a 24k investment, or spend the same on the Snake, but the GT will be worth a lot less when done.

 

well the fact is that modded anything drops in value.. so the cobra would depreciate 2.. also you can get a good GT coupe for 10k or under - motor build 2K -bolt ons 1K and procharger stage 2 ( IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT IMPELLER - ITS BIGGER & REVISED) w/ 3 core... figure 4K installed if you get a good deal (yes ive seen this).. that puts you at around 18K (plus transmission changes depending on boost) give or take with a GT That can put 750 to the freakin wheels... so no their is no comparsion between modding a GT and Cobra.. the cobra is a waste.. the charger on it sucks and you have to rebuild the motor anyway.. why pay 10K more for a slower car (judging by the mods you suggested)

of course 750 rwhp will require other odds and ends but a procharged guy around here has Gt with 720 rwhp with a forged bottom end and a procharger

 

sorry that is crapola about having the intercooler and making that amount. Yes to make those numbers you will need headers. however with a 90mm tb and boost pipe and headers you can. Also take a look at my car. i was making 425 at first and then ed clark detuned my car real quick to save the motor. I however have a novi2000.

I do recommend novi over all. look at the specs on them. 1700cfm. it will hold up to 900hp. and you dont have to worry about busting a seal on it like procharger.

but you know how to get in contact with me Blake if you need me to answer some questions about what you want. Just let me know when your ready to order you S/C and I will personally see your process through the whole transition.

also when you do this, dont use nos unless you are going to spray it on the intercooler in order to cool it down. but better yet, sell you nos kit and get a water/meth. injection system and go that way. I dont want to see you blow your block

 

Ste:

You da man and you know it. Certainly, you be getting an opportunity for my business. I want to talk to you further about the Procharger vs. the Novi. I thought I was going to be ordering this thing like yesterday, but turns-out I am still debating.

This is what is going through my mind:

1 - Still not sure if I want to sink the money into THIS car. I need to be sure that I am ready to keep this car for 3 - 4 more+ years. I am having that "Do I blow this one or just buy a Cobra debate". I must admit, the fact that my car is unlike any other is appealing to me.

2 - I went the nitrous route for some good reasons, which still hold true today.

Now, regaring the choice of a blower:

I want something reliable, I want something inter-cooled (mostly for safety reasons, and I am not interested in making the most possible power, just safe power, reliable power. I also have a budget...KB's are just too pricey no matter how good they might be. Do I need something capable of making 900 hp? I really don't see that day in my furture, but then again, at one time neither did I think I would consider a blower.

 

The are alot of reason not to get a KB... ones alot fo you dont realize - like that fact that the twinscrew kB will be at full boost almost all of the time... over 2k... means your at boost even cruising = bad gas mileage and terrible wear and tear... AND NO! - vortech's will not...repeat will not make as much power as a stag2 procharger at the same boost level w/3 core cooler -even if the vortech has the aftercooler. The ATi is the most effiecent power/heat and cost... the novi sucks period... get over it at 8lbs it only puts down 360hp to the crank! - end of disscusion... the powerdyne.. just not proven and better stuff is available.. Also the procharger is the best eginered kit for the mustang period - for every reason - it alos wont hit boost untill 3-35k rpm meaning no boost during daily driving = alot more longevity... ALSO be warned!!!!- the D-1SC wll not be worth the extra money parts and install... THE p1-sc-2 is all you will ever need - escpecially for your 400rwhp goal - the d-1 maxes hp at about 900 and the p1-sc2 maxes around 800 - somewhere that you will never be anyway so why spend the extra 500-1000 bucks for no reason... the p-1sc-2 kit is complete with everything you need - AND THE ONLY KIT PROVEN TO PUT OTHERWISE STOCK GT"S IN THE 11's - and with mods - low 11's... end of story - alot people talk all this **** but dont own it, or have any documentation to wut they say... go to the procharger website gallery and see for your self.. those cars are in my area and theyre numbers are real. Also the D-1sc does not sound good.. it will sound like your bearings are burnt up... its a good charger dont get me wrong but peopel that I know are much happier with theyre p-1sc-2's bc they offer basically the same performance - sound alot cleaner and cost less. the p-1sc-2 maxes at 1200 cfm and the d-1sc at 1400 or so ... the d-1sc will deliver more air at lower boost - but this is not really the case bc actullay the measurement of boost is off - meaning at 8lbs the psc problay puts 9 lbs and the d-1sc does 10-11 lbs - so its not really the bargain it is said to be... and again the p-1sc is a little more proven to be street reliable for the long haul.... get the p-1sc-2 kit with the chip and programmer include - also with injectors and maf included shoud be about 4k - and use the 8lbs pulley and you ll be in the 11's with no need for a dyno tune .. perfectly safe puting about 380-420 to the wheels depending upon mods list... that is the kit that I am in the process of getting right now... you will not be dissapointed... good luck and let us know your results!

 

cobra is a waste of money who ever keeps saying that obviously doesnt kno what the hell hes talking about

 

I still dont see how you getting a novi to throw down 400 to the wheels at 8psi... when novi them selves advertises 360 at the crank... is you motor built or something we dont know - cobra motor?... anyway that just doenst seem possible from the the dyno'd numbers I've gotten from novi - and THR and RPM... they are no where even close... maybe your more at 10-12-14 psi??? - or at 7krpm with a cam?

or maybe your car is just magic... and something done to it unbeknows to all of us is making produce so much power?