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Old 11-17-2010, 07:47 PM
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This is for anybody running a blower (or anybody that knows about this subject).

I'm looking at the Vortech V3 kit (rated at 364 hp/361 tq) off of American Muscle and was wondering can the stock engine/tranny handle the power?

I'll also be running a cat-less x pipe with borla stingers and long tubes, so all together it would be pushing around 400 at the crank (my guesstimate)....

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If you're looking at buying a supercharger kit from American Muscle there is no help for you....

You're engine and trans can "handle" the power, but how long depends on the tune, how much you abuse it, and whether you follow the procedures they give you.
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Old 11-17-2010, 07:53 PM
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If you're looking at buying a supercharger kit from American Muscle there is no help for you....

You're engine and trans can "handle" the power, but how long depends on the tune, how much you abuse it, and whether you follow the procedures they give you.

What's wrong with AM? I'm just starting to look at blowers, so I haven't exactly made up my mind, but AM's kit seems to be the best for the price, and free shipping, c'mon you can't argue with that....

I want to have a "fun" daily driver, so I don't want to go over 400 hp and the V3 kit seems the most logical choice.

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Yes, they can handle the power but like he said above.

I have a centri blower and if I had done it over again I would go Kenne Bell or if I had a little more to spend a Helion turbo kit. The plus with kenne bell and the helion kit is that they are turn key ready. The AM kit, not so much. You would still have to shell out 400-500 bucks for a dyno tune.
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:02 AM
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If you're looking at buying a supercharger kit from American Muscle there is no help for you....

You're engine and trans can "handle" the power, but how long depends on the tune, how much you abuse it, and whether you follow the procedures they give you.
I don't get what's wrong with buying a kit off AM? Why be negative?

Anyways, there are several routes you could go. You could buy a complete like you mentioned. You will need to get a dyno tune, but I would consider that a good thing. Lets your car run smoother and you know your engine will last. Personally, I like centri superchargers which is why I have one. I pieced mine together for cheaper than actually buying a kit, but you have to have patience and time to find everything you need. Figure out what you really want and how much you want to spend. With running that supercharger at that horsepower, your engine and trans will be fine if you take care of things. I put my supercharger on with 130,000ish miles on the car and it's still running fine at 141,000.
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I don't get what's wrong with buying a kit off AM? Why be negative?

Anyways, there are several routes you could go. You could buy a complete like you mentioned. You will need to get a dyno tune, but I would consider that a good thing. Lets your car run smoother and you know your engine will last. Personally, I like centri superchargers which is why I have one. I pieced mine together for cheaper than actually buying a kit, but you have to have patience and time to find everything you need. Figure out what you really want and how much you want to spend. With running that supercharger at that horsepower, your engine and trans will be fine if you take care of things. I put my supercharger on with 130,000ish miles on the car and it's still running fine at 141,000.
That is why. Never buy a kit brand new.....just my opinion. Buy the SC unit itself brand new maybe, but everything else can be found much much cheaper.

Dyno tune is a no-brainer. **** "turn-key" kits, that **** never lasts. Especially with any alternate mods. Seen it done before. Just as bad as a mail-order tune.

I prefer a turbo or twin-screw setup myself. I've seen plenty of guys do Centri setups, but the problem is that they are reliant on RPMs. This means two things...

1.) The power won't come on instantly, instead you have to keep it in the high RPMs to get any real good power.

2.) You'll need to get a really steep rear-end gear to keep the RPMs high (3.73s are even still too low IMO). 4.10s or higher.

I could beat my buddies procharged 06 GT (completely stock other than the procharger and tires) with my bolt-on/geared GT (mods in sig) up until about 60-70 from a dig. Simply because he had such a narrow power band and my 4.10s would woop his *** compared to his 3.55s.
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It's definitely all down to preference. Turbo's still have to spool and doesn't give you instant power. Depending on turbo and setup, sure you can have some spool faster than others, but it's not instant power like a roots type supercharger. I love the feel of a turbo and a centri myself. I figure I have enough low end torque in the mustang as is that having a centri blower is just topping on the cake. For me, I don't really do racing on the street anyways, so having more low end power isn't a big deal for me. Plus my car is flipping loud enough, I don't need to be romping on it at a light on the streets.

Just do your research and really figure out what you want. I kinda have the best of both worlds right now. I get to drive a supercharger V8 whenever I feel like it, or if I want to switch it up, I can hop in my AWD turbocharger 4 cycl for a different experience.
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Between guys jumping on you and guys defending you, you should definitely learn about engines in general a bit before deciding to go the blower route.

Blowers increase cylinder pressure which adds stress and wear. The more you are in boost the greater the wear and the greater the need for maintenance and repair. If you decide to put a blower on it, I'd really encourage you to spend the extra 2500 bucks to get a forged bottom end.

While the stock components are strong enough to take it for a good long time with a solid tune, there are other factors that will conspire to one day kick you in the nuts. Take the extra time and expense and if you want a blower, don't do it for 6 or 8 psi. Build the motor properly and use it in the efficient zone up around 12-14psi.

As for where to get it or to do new or used... you're a noob so get a retail unit. It'll cost more and not give you any hassles.
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This is for anybody running a blower (or anybody that knows about this subject).

I'm looking at the Vortech V3 kit (rated at 364 hp/361 tq) off of American Muscle and was wondering can the stock engine/tranny handle the power?

I'll also be running a cat-less x pipe with borla stingers and long tubes, so all together it would be pushing around 400 at the crank (my guesstimate)....
Internally, the car should handle it. How long it will handle it depends on how you take care of the car. And sometimes, **** just breaks. That just comes with modding a car.

Transmission wise, it will probably hold up. I'd recommend a better clutch then stock, if you haven't got one already.

To those of you ranting about strapping a blower on and not having to dyno.. you're a fool. ANY TIME you put on a supercharger or turbo, or decent amount of nitrous, you want a tune.

Generally the stock tunes have you running extremely rich.

There are plenty of places to order the vortech kit. Shop around.
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To those of you ranting about strapping a blower on and not having to dyno.. you're a fool. ANY TIME you put on a supercharger or turbo, or decent amount of nitrous, you want a tune.

Generally the stock tunes have you running extremely rich.
Correct...I bought a turn key kit. When I had it strapped to the dyno the tune was perfect in California. But when I got to Georgia to have my 93 octane tune checked we found out I made too much power and was running out of fuel at 5500 rpms. Although they are turn key its in your best interest to have the air fuel checked after you bolt everything on.
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Internally, the car should handle it. How long it will handle it depends on how you take care of the car. And sometimes, **** just breaks. That just comes with modding a car.

Transmission wise, it will probably hold up. I'd recommend a better clutch then stock, if you haven't got one already.

To those of you ranting about strapping a blower on and not having to dyno.. you're a fool. ANY TIME you put on a supercharger or turbo, or decent amount of nitrous, you want a tune.

Generally the stock tunes have you running extremely rich.

There are plenty of places to order the vortech kit. Shop around.
I don't think anyone said to not get a dyno tune.....maybe i missed something.

BUT, +1 on the clutch. Might as well go ahead and do it.

Whatever budget you have, make sure to add about $1500 to that. Do it right, do it once (for a while at least), and keep your car running. Go cheap and the worst will probably happen.
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Old 11-19-2010, 05:32 AM
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I don't think anyone said to not get a dyno tune.....maybe i missed something.

BUT, +1 on the clutch. Might as well go ahead and do it.

Whatever budget you have, make sure to add about $1500 to that. Do it right, do it once (for a while at least), and keep your car running. Go cheap and the worst will probably happen.
Lol, my bad, for some reason I read "turn key" and thats all I saw.

So, lets save that before someone comes in and goes "IF YOU BUY THIS IT HAS A TUNE!"
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