Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger....
#1
Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger....
Just wondering if anyone has seen one of these on a car and what are your opinions on this system...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...injected.shtml
There is a link if you want to read about it a little...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...injected.shtml
There is a link if you want to read about it a little...
#3
It doesn't look to bad to me. Its just crazy to me that you gain that much horsepower just by boting that on and using all the stock engine parts still. Or am I reading this wrong?
#4
Well it replaces the intake manifold and adds boost to a motor with pretty darn good flow cylinder heads from the factory. So couple that with boost and an intercooler to kill off the extra heat and you get more power!
#8
Edelbrock rates the kit at 6 pounds of boost. However the boost was found to increase slightly as rpm levels grew. The boost log from the dynamometer pulls revealed the following figures.
BOOST LOG
RPM _ BOOST
4,000 5.733 lbs
4,500 5.701 lbs
5,000 5.798 lbs
5,500 6.342 lbs
6,000 7.272 lbs
RPM _HP TQ
2,000 125 321
2,500 172 356
3,000 217 379
3,500 265 395
4,000 305 400
4,500 345 404
5,000 381 401
5,500 418 389
6,000 426 369
6,500 437 350
BOOST LOG
RPM _ BOOST
4,000 5.733 lbs
4,500 5.701 lbs
5,000 5.798 lbs
5,500 6.342 lbs
6,000 7.272 lbs
RPM _HP TQ
2,000 125 321
2,500 172 356
3,000 217 379
3,500 265 395
4,000 305 400
4,500 345 404
5,000 381 401
5,500 418 389
6,000 426 369
6,500 437 350
Last edited by garrett01001; 08-20-2009 at 10:08 AM.
#9
I've read that those boost levels are underrated. One dude on another forum I'm on has an Edelbrock on his Mustang and he is running 10psi. When I come back from lunch, I'll see if I can find the link.
#11
Any luck Val?
#13
I actually forgot about that until I checked your response. I've spent the last 30 minutes trying to find it and I can't! I know it was on allfordmustangs forums, but I can't find the damn thread. Keep in mind, though, that I mentioned the word 'forum', so if someone says it's over-rated, it could very well be bullshit because a lot of people talk about things they don't know much about.
#14
I actually forgot about that until I checked your response. I've spent the last 30 minutes trying to find it and I can't! I know it was on allfordmustangs forums, but I can't find the damn thread. Keep in mind, though, that I mentioned the word 'forum', so if someone says it's over-rated, it could very well be bullshit because a lot of people talk about things they don't know much about.
#15
(sorry to double post)
Tillman Speed has really started running with this SC'er, they sell the competition kit and street kit AND have their own kit which includes complete GT500 dual fuel pumps and more (and that's just their stage 1 version, haven't found info for their stage 2 package yet) PLUS they sell different pulley sizes if you want to run more boost
http://shoptillman.com/products/Till...T-159-160.html
The above link has all the info and two videos at the bottom made by the edelbrock team.
Tillman Speed has a video on youtube of them dyno'ing a mostly stock gt (only mods are mufflers and the e-force)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8GOuV67r3w
Near the end of the dyno the stang sounds like a ******* JET ENGINE
Tillman Speed has really started running with this SC'er, they sell the competition kit and street kit AND have their own kit which includes complete GT500 dual fuel pumps and more (and that's just their stage 1 version, haven't found info for their stage 2 package yet) PLUS they sell different pulley sizes if you want to run more boost
http://shoptillman.com/products/Till...T-159-160.html
The above link has all the info and two videos at the bottom made by the edelbrock team.
Tillman Speed has a video on youtube of them dyno'ing a mostly stock gt (only mods are mufflers and the e-force)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8GOuV67r3w
Near the end of the dyno the stang sounds like a ******* JET ENGINE
#19
That's with everything included.
#22
^ You're gonna be sad if the rumors about the new GT500 are true.
Fact is turbos have been put on things a lot faster and a lot more American than muscle cars. Propeller Fighter planes had turbos. Kick ***. I rest my case
Fact is turbos have been put on things a lot faster and a lot more American than muscle cars. Propeller Fighter planes had turbos. Kick ***. I rest my case
#23
Turbos are easier to tune for, easier to upgrade, generally offer better gas mileage and generally more power.
Look at this video and then say you'd never put a turbo on your car. The only reason ford uses superchargers is because of simplicity and the fact that ford has never really had TOO much experience with turbo systems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWx-XeaNMaY
Why do you think most fox bodies run either turbos or huge *** prochargers?
And why do diesel's use turbos?
Efficiency. Superchargers max out after a certain point. What happens when a turbo maxes out? You get a bigger turbo, done. not so simple with a supercharger.
It's your choice, but I promise two cars with equal mods the turbo will always win.
#24
Then you sir are an idiot. No matter what supercharger you put on a car the parasitic drain is still there.
Turbos are easier to tune for, easier to upgrade, generally offer better gas mileage and generally more power.
Look at this video and then say you'd never put a turbo on your car. The only reason ford uses superchargers is because of simplicity and the fact that ford has never really had TOO much experience with turbo systems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWx-XeaNMaY
Why do you think most fox bodies run either turbos or huge *** prochargers?
And why do diesel's use turbos?
Efficiency. Superchargers max out after a certain point. What happens when a turbo maxes out? You get a bigger turbo, done. not so simple with a supercharger.
It's your choice, but I promise two cars with equal mods the turbo will always win.
Turbos are easier to tune for, easier to upgrade, generally offer better gas mileage and generally more power.
Look at this video and then say you'd never put a turbo on your car. The only reason ford uses superchargers is because of simplicity and the fact that ford has never really had TOO much experience with turbo systems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWx-XeaNMaY
Why do you think most fox bodies run either turbos or huge *** prochargers?
And why do diesel's use turbos?
Efficiency. Superchargers max out after a certain point. What happens when a turbo maxes out? You get a bigger turbo, done. not so simple with a supercharger.
It's your choice, but I promise two cars with equal mods the turbo will always win.
and I don't really like the GT500's, there are only a few I do like/seen.
Last edited by BikerSk8rKid; 10-25-2009 at 10:09 PM.
#25
I already knew a turbo would beat a super charger. Never said anything was bad with turbo's. I'm just saying AT LEAST one of my Muscle cars will have a super charger. I might put a turbo in if I have another Muscle car, but I don't know. I should of edited what I said, but I've been WAY TO TIRED and stressed out lately.
and I don't really like the GT500's, there are only a few I do like/seen.
and I don't really like the GT500's, there are only a few I do like/seen.
And I understand what you're saying with the turbo/supercharger as well. I like the termi with the supercharger, but I think on the GT I'm just going to slap on a single-turbo kit and have at it.
#26
I don't understand why people keep associating turbochargers with import cars. They've come on muscle cars for just as long as they've come on imports. Not to mention that there are a bunch of imports that come supercharged from the factory. People who say that turbochargers don't belong on American cars and only belong on imports really don't know what they're talking about.
Last edited by Switch; 10-26-2009 at 08:45 AM.
#27
Then you sir are an idiot. No matter what supercharger you put on a car the parasitic drain is still there.
Turbos are easier to tune for, easier to upgrade, generally offer better gas mileage and generally more power.
Look at this video and then say you'd never put a turbo on your car. The only reason ford uses superchargers is because of simplicity and the fact that ford has never really had TOO much experience with turbo systems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWx-XeaNMaY
Why do you think most fox bodies run either turbos or huge *** prochargers?
And why do diesel's use turbos?
Efficiency. Superchargers max out after a certain point. What happens when a turbo maxes out? You get a bigger turbo, done. not so simple with a supercharger.
It's your choice, but I promise two cars with equal mods the turbo will always win.
Turbos are easier to tune for, easier to upgrade, generally offer better gas mileage and generally more power.
Look at this video and then say you'd never put a turbo on your car. The only reason ford uses superchargers is because of simplicity and the fact that ford has never really had TOO much experience with turbo systems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWx-XeaNMaY
Why do you think most fox bodies run either turbos or huge *** prochargers?
And why do diesel's use turbos?
Efficiency. Superchargers max out after a certain point. What happens when a turbo maxes out? You get a bigger turbo, done. not so simple with a supercharger.
It's your choice, but I promise two cars with equal mods the turbo will always win.
I would say the only difference is the s/c will be more everday DD than a s/c. I have heard horror story's of hot side piping blowing off, turbo's spewing oil.etc... Both are a great option and I am not knocking either.
#29
I agree with what you said for the most part, but it is just as easy to swap a s/c for a larger s/c as it is a turbo. Also I would say Ford has just as much experience with turbo's as they do superchargers...Now like you said take 2 exact cars put a turbo on one and a s/c on the other run the same boost the turbo car will make more power.
I would say the only difference is the s/c will be more everday DD than a s/c. I have heard horror story's of hot side piping blowing off, turbo's spewing oil.etc... Both are a great option and I am not knocking either.
I would say the only difference is the s/c will be more everday DD than a s/c. I have heard horror story's of hot side piping blowing off, turbo's spewing oil.etc... Both are a great option and I am not knocking either.
There have been horror stories about everything, superchargers, turbochargers, nitrous, hell even going N/A.
The fact is this. It all relies on the tuning. You get a good tuner and you keep the car alive.
At least with a turbo you don't have to worry about it tearing up the serpentine belt. Thats worse than the hot side of the turbo blowing off.