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Old 04-04-2006 | 06:03 PM
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i just finished my bottle warmer install and iv been playing with it but not sure how to use it....

i kno i should have my bottle closed when its on and that it gets really hott
but i cant get it to go over 700 psi ....iv only had it on for about 20mins and it barley moves the needle...

does it take long for the pressure to biuld normally?

does it matter how much nitrous i have in the bottle???
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 06:18 PM
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what bottle warmer do you have?
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 06:23 PM
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dynotune regular bottle warmer
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 06:27 PM
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Can you give me a link of where I can get to see the specifications
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 06:32 PM
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http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store...p?idproduct=18


just like that but for a 10 pound bottle ..it just had 2 wires coming out so i hooked it up with a switch and it works
gets rreally damn hot to hot to touch
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 06:35 PM
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Alright heres my tip of the day...........

Bottle temperature will very; depends on how full the bottle is ... you want the pressure to be about 1050 PSI; so what ever temp will get the bottle to that PSI is the key... the fuller the bottle the less temp will be needed ... PRESSURE IS CRITICAL AND WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 07:17 PM
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so since my bottles like half full i need more time with the heater on then....is that what ur saying cuz it makes sense but 20 mins and nothing reaally happend to my pressure needle
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bikerjoe
so since my bottles like half full i need more time with the heater on then....is that what ur saying cuz it makes sense but 20 mins and nothing reaally happend to my pressure needle
Is your bottle closed when your heating it?
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 07:26 PM
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I still have yet to install my nos bottle warmer i looked at it and it looks like a pain, any suggestions?
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 08:38 PM
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not a pain at all just take your time and its cake
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 09:14 PM
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OK this is simple. Since you dont have a transducer (cuts the heater on/off) then youll have to cut it off when you feel the bottle getting HOT not just warm. It takes experience feeling the bottle to know how it feels when your at the correct pressure. It cant be too hot or just a little warm.

It will take the heater about 30 minutes at least on a cold day to heat the bottle up to 1000psi. The needle will move so slowly that you will not be able to "see" it move when you turn the heater on. This is normal. Yes it takes a little bit before the bottle heats up all the way. On a nice summer day itll only take the heater about 10 - 15 minutes before you get good pressure. It really just depends on how hot it is outside. If its hot enough outside the bottle will get up to about 900psi without even using the heater.

A half full bottle should not need more pressure. DO NOT spray the car if the bottle pressure is over 1200psi. A half full bottle is like watered down soda. Really! Ive run MULTIPLE bottles through my car and I can say that a half full bottle isnt as good as a full one at the same pressure. The nitrous is sort of "aired out". It seems as if the bottle is half full of air and n20. When your planning on going racing youll want to have the bottle full. The car should still pull decent with a half full one but itll pull better on a full bottle.

When the bottle is close to bieng empty, then the heater will seem like its not working. The pressure wont build up to more than about 750- 800psi when its close to bieng empty. Also you wont feel much power.

A transducer would be a nice thing to have. You can buy them from dynotune im pretty sure.
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 09:17 PM
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another problem you might have is not having the heating element on the bottom of the bottle where th elique nitrous is, if its not on the bottom it wiont heat up as fast because it will be heating the bottle which will then spead threw out rather then heating the bottom where the nitrous is sitting at.

Also not all kits need 1,050psi it depnds on your kit doesnt NX say 950 for there kits? mine is 1,000psi flat.
 
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Old 04-04-2006 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
another problem you might have is not having the heating element on the bottom of the bottle where th elique nitrous is, if its not on the bottom it wiont heat up as fast because it will be heating the bottle which will then spead threw out rather then heating the bottom where the nitrous is sitting at.

Also not all kits need 1,050psi it depnds on your kit doesnt NX say 950 for there kits? mine is 1,000psi flat.
NX designs their systems around 1000psi of pressure.
 
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Old 04-05-2006 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jeredan2003

A half full bottle should not need more pressure. DO NOT spray the car if the bottle pressure is over 1200psi. A half full bottle is like watered down soda. Really! Ive run MULTIPLE bottles through my car and I can say that a half full bottle isnt as good as a full one at the same pressure. The nitrous is sort of "aired out". It seems as if the bottle is half full of air and n20. When your planning on going racing youll want to have the bottle full. The car should still pull decent with a half full one but itll pull better on a full bottle.

This is because with a half full bottle, there's not as much of a volume of liquified N2O that's becoming a gas when the N2O solenoid opens and the pressure drops. It takes longer and more heat for the smaller volume of liquid to get back up to the 950-1050# that's recommended.
 
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Old 04-05-2006 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Icefreezen
Alright heres my tip of the day...........

Bottle temperature will very; depends on how full the bottle is ... you want the pressure to be about 1050 PSI; so what ever temp will get the bottle to that PSI is the key... the fuller the bottle the less temp will be needed ... PRESSURE IS CRITICAL AND WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
Dude that is as wrong as it gets! This is a simple Boyels law application:

PxV/T = P1xV1/T1

Since the volume of the bottle is the same, at a given temp setting the pressure will ALWAYS be the same PERIOD....no matter how much nitrous is in the bottle. If the level of nitrous in the bottle is low, the temp will increase faster then if the bottle is full. But at about 85 degress, the pressure will be at 950 psi.

In situations where the bottle is nearly empty, you will not be able to get the temp up simply because the gas is so thin inside the bottle that the heat transfer is relying more on radient heat fromt he heater to get the job done.
 
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Old 04-05-2006 | 10:44 PM
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teh winner
 
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Old 04-16-2006 | 09:59 PM
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Never thought about that.. hmm
 
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Old 04-16-2006 | 10:20 PM
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On another note, a common problem with warmers not heating up fast enough is not having a good ground connection. Make sure you have a good connection and there is no paint in the way.
 
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