beer.

 

 

So, you are telling me you want the government to tell all businesses on how they should do business and to set prices? You know that's what lenin did right? Also, I'm sorry, but banks won't find a way to screw you over. That's the last thing they want, is for you to default on the load they give you so that they are out of cash. In addition, banks have nothing to do w/ housing costs. It's all about the market and location. Where I live, literally, a shack costs 300,000 but that's because of demand. Would I want the government to say tough luck, sell it at 50,000? No, that's wrong and screws everyone else out of money, including the tax payer. Remember, the federal government telling the banks what to do got us in this mess. It was the housing act that Carter signed that forced banks to give out loans it did not want to give out because the likelihood of defaulting was 100%. But alas, if they didn't, they would be seen as greedy ******** or racists.

And yes, companies will take advantage of you, in the way of competition. Companies will always out do each other, trying to expand their customer base which reduces prices.

Yes, oil companies do drill their own oil, but they need to pay to get it out of the ground (maybe I should have been clearer on this). However, tell me how much money is a company going to have to invest in itself when more than 1/2 of its profits are taken away in taxes.

Decreasing government will do more than just increasing taxes. Remember, under Bush, this country has seen federal expansion the likes of which has set records. You're telling me that cutting major portions (like entitlements which is 60% of the budget) is going to do less than a tax hike of a couple of percents in which 1/2 the nation doesn't pay?

Education is not needed. There is nothing in The Constitution that says this is the domain of the federal government but does leave up to the states. The Department of Education is a wash, has been a wash, and all it does is suck up cash. Welfare is also something that isn't suppose to be up to the feds but up to the states. And if you want reform, go to the states and ask for these programs since its their job, not the feds, since social issues are for the states.

And it appears you don't know what the FairTax is. Go to fairtax.org or to the house bill HR 25 to read up. As for your example, you can't tax a company like that. If they rake in 2 billion and you tax them 1 billion (so 50% tax rate), the company has to now make 4 billion, which means the price of whatever they sell doubles. That's the reason why companies don't want to set-up shop here or even leave. Remember, a companies profit goes into three things: paychecks, share holders, and investment (in the form of expansion, R&D, etc.). When taxes cut into that profit, something's got to give.

As for the bailout, the resulting economic boom from the FairTax will be enough. All the money in off-shore banks will transfer over to US banks. There's your bailout, which required 0 tax payer dollars.

And sorry, but raising taxes just won't cut it. We need to collect about $11+ trillion from a tax system that collects taxes from only 1/2 of our population. Unless you want to make every business owner leave this country, it just isn't going to happen.

And 100 years ago is what the size of the federal government is suppose to be. Yes, there would be a few additions (such as NASA and a permanent military) but the point is, the federal government has gotten out of control in size. It is doing things it is not suppose to do, as according to The Constitution.

And the last time we had Conservatism was in 1989, when Reagan left office and in the 90's, w/ the GOP controlled Congress under Gingrich. After Bush's election, that wasn't Conservatism in the least bit.

 

Oh you mean Bush Srs term where he hit a recession because Regan boosted the military so much we damn near went broke. Ok.

And no, the government simply doesn't tell business what to do, but instead ensures we don't get reamed by them doing greedy assed things. (Enron for example, some of those poor people lost EVERYTHING)

Demand for housing? Out here a shack was literally 450 thousand at one point, it wasn't because of demand, housing popped up all over the place withing 3 years.. and not just a couple hundred but thousands..

And companies will take advantage of you in a way of competition? So I mean..for a lousy example.. if company A offers you a credit card at 20% APR and company B offers you a credit card at 16% APR..how competitive is it? Aren't you still getting reamed?

The Constitution? Really? So much **** can be debated in the constitution and is violated in it it AMAZES me that you're even willing to bring it up. Unfortunately, I don't think it was prepared for things like this. And in many cases is vague.

And 50% taxes? LOL. Who said we were going to tax anything that high? And only half our population is paying taxes? Last I checked the unemployment rate was something like 6.5 percent....

And no, the oil companies aren't LOSING money..if they were..they wouldn't be hiring by the dozens and companies like Flying J wouldn't be getting ready to plop out about a BILLION DOLLARS for a refinery expansion.. half of their profit doesn't go to taxes, its a much smaller percentage..
And if the government is doing this its not susposed to be doing..then we have a right to overthrow a government...so..... going to go get your guns ready or what?

 

No, Bush Sr. wasn't a Conservative. I said 89 because that's when Reagan left office.

And yes, government needs to provide consumer protection but what you were talking about is not consumer protection. Now, for your credit card example, what do you want, 0% APR? How do you think credit card companies make money? You have to remember that companies aren't out there to charge whatever they like. Because if they did, another would come along and under cut them. Hence how the free market works.

And yes, housing popped up because of demand. Especially in areas like mine where it's tough to put up more homes (except my town which is kind of vacant), there was a lack of supply. Low supply plus high demand equals high prices. When the interest rates were lowed about 6-8 years ago, housing boomed because more people were able to afford housing. For example, when my parents bought their house in 95, it was about 600k. Before the bubble burst, it was worth about .9-1 million. This was all thanks to demand. Heck, the town I live in, during that period of time grew so large that another elementary school had to be built, as well as additions added to all the other buildings.

The Constitution is suppose to be the guide of government. However, it may be slightly vague but it isn't that vague. What's vague is how the feds used the commerce clause to make a national drinking age of 21. Plus, if it wasn't prepared for stuff now, that's why there's an amendment process. However, for all the stuff the feds are in now, they never bothered w/ this and thus, are over reaching their powers. Heck, even the income tax is unconstitutional, which is why it required the 16th Amendment.

Your 50% tax came from the previous example you used where a company made 2 billion and you said take 1 billion in taxes. However, hate to break it to you but many taxes are that high, or more. Ask the people in the top brackets how they like 90% taxes. And yes, only half our population pays the income tax. Look at the IRS statistics, tax is only collect from about 160 million. Another reason why the FairTax is more efficient.

And when you tally up all the taxes the oil companies have to deal w/ (payroll, income, corporate, capital gains, state gas taxes, federal gas taxes, etc.), I guarantee that it's more than 50%. Remember, everything you purchase (whether it be a good or service) has already an imbedded tax rate of 22%. Most of the goods/services you purchase don't have the same taxes oil companies have, so 50% or higher is very likely.

Now, will I get my guns ready? I'm afraid a Sharps Carbine that was the property of William F. Cody won't get me far, especially since I don't have ammo. However, by participating in this republic by voting and writing members of Congress will do more (especially when you have a friend who works for one).

 

No, I live in Charlotte, NC...enough said.

Obama is nothing like the majority of the African-Americans that think he represents them.

 

So true. I just wish people wouldn't vote that way. Heck, just because Kucinić was a Croat doesn't mean I wanted to vote for him. That stupid idiot, besides being a full blown commie, didn't even the detail for the McCain Immigration Bill last year.

 

So according to you, the majority of American black people are thugs whom do not use proper grammar or carry themselves with respect? And you are basing this ridiculous statement off of solely what you see in Charlotte?



ROFL. dude, you seriously need give your little media fed mind some perspective.

 

Um...all of the black people around here are like that too..same for Louisiana.

 

you're just reinforcing my point man.

 

ion denver i say it is about a 50% 50% split. half act like thugs, half dont.

 

You need to open your eyes and take a look around every once in a while...

 

I'm majoring in social sciences and I have taken African American studies. I'm not saying all black people are intelligent human beings, but stating that all or the majority of them behave in the same way is purely close minded.

 

Okay, sure. Not all black people are worthless. There's two types of black people, like their are types of white people, mexicans, etc. There's black people, then there's well.. you know, N_ggers. I have some black friends who I couldn't consider n_ggers, and usually when I'm talking about how stereotypical black people annoy the **** out of me, I don't even consider my black friends to be 'black'. Because I know them, and they speak the same english language as me and we can have a good time. But the majority of black people I have to deal with day to day are infact, n_ggers. Does that make me racist? I wouldn't think so, I have nothing against black people, it's just the wannabe thugs who act like the world owes them a ******* favor that really get to me. It's probably the same how a black guy feels when he lives in a redneck town in Alabama or something full of white trash.

Whenever there's a crime down here we always joke around "I he was black", and it's almost always true. Maybe that's a kind of sadistic outlook on society but that's just how reality is over here, the statistics add up..

 

More of that liberal arts BS I see...Well, you need to visit NC (FL & LA are relevant as well as others have pointed out) as part of your "studies" and see what all the fuss is about.

All these African Americans around here think they have really accomplished something because Barack got elected. I have seen vehicles with "Yes we did" and "Change has come" plastered all over the windows. Who is driving those vehicles you ask? Thugged out African Americans, with the music blaring loud enough to rattle windows and pants with their zipper down around their ankles.

I just call it the way I see it. I never said all were like that, but here in NC, it is definitely a majority.

 

Liberal arts? ROFL. Yeah, Psychology, Sociology, and anthropology are liberal arts.

and the way you see it is skewed. I've been to those states, and yes i know exactly what you're talking about. those kinds of blacks annoy just about everyone but them selves. that's all you're exposed to so of course you're gonna assume that's the majority. the southern states of the U.S. is only a small part of a whole.

 

http://www.uiu.edu/prospective_stude...eral_arts.html

"The Division of Liberal Arts offers you majors in art, communications, criminology, English, graphic design, human services, psychology, social science, and sociology. Minors are offered in history, journalism, political science, psychology, sociology and Spanish. "

 

LOL. I wouldn't consider psychology (my actual major) a liberal art, but I guess that depends on your definition of liberal and art.

 

That was just the first hit I got on Google. Around here, it would definitely be considered liberal arts. Maybe in more "liberal" areas, they wouldn't be considered that.

 

John, you're a racist.

 

I just don't see how you can consider the study of the human mind liberal? Again, depends on your definition of liberal. I actually live in a very conservative town, Colorado Springs has 3 military bases. And don't get confused, I consider myself in no way liberal. I have many views from either side of the spectrum. Which in my opinion makes a very balanced, level headed human being. That view is purely subjective however.

and yes, Pcola, I am. I'm racist toward cars with two more cylinders, and a lot less power than mine. hahahahaha

 

uhh... ok, before you look like a complete dumbass, maybe you should take a look at what "Liberal Arts" means.

Here is a clue.

It has NOTHING to do with being a "Liberal"


When Rush Limbaiughwuagh sits there and bitches about "Liberals" that is so far from what "Liberal Arts" means it is rediculous.

Here ya go.

it has nothing to do with any political viewpoints.

both of you are morons for not knowing this.

 

Dont forget the 5,000 churches and "Focus on the Family"

colorado springs is a pretty conservative town

denver is pretty conservative as well.


but i guess if we dont go a-hootin and holllerin in the back of our pickup with a dead deer on the hood chasing down a homo so we can kick his ***, we must be liberal

lol

 

Yeah, my school is literally right next to New Life church. This thing is bigger than the ******* Pepsi convention center in Denver. It has a following of TWELVE THOUSAND PEOPLE. Mostly evangelicals. No wonder it got shot up.


LOL @ the last comment. try driving a damn japanese car around here. they look at me like I bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

How about I call you a moron and you go back and read in what context I brought that up.

Badfish said he was majoring in social sciences and had taking African American studies and started talking about his viewpoint on African Americans as a people. Therefore, in context, it was relevant. However, in my neck of the woods, being a liberal arts major, stereotypically or not, would label you to be more of a liberal person. Right, wrong or indifferent, that's the way it is. Don't like it? TOUGH. Everywhere and everybody are going to have different views on things. That's why we ALL didn't vote for Obama.

 

Well thats what you get for driving a liberal car around flashing your big city ed-u-ca-shun with all them fancy universities and rediculous claims about them dinosaurs and evolution and stuff.

you should be a good conservative christian boy and reject higher education!

 

I love how you so happily jump in and prove my point.

Moron.

i mean, it doesent take a scholar to understand that seeking a higher education does not mean yer a liberal.

or are all them ivy league good ol boys in the repub party liberals as well?

lol

 

It's pointless with you.

 

but I am! I even bought this poster and hanged it on my wall, right next to that nagger I caught deflowerin my saster. THATS MY JOB NAGGER.

 

Why do you have to take things out of context?? He stated what his major was and I called it a liberal arts major. I can't help that where I am from, most liberal arts majors are in fact liberals on the political front. True, I am from a fairly rural area of NC. I also went to college (business/accounting) and am not a liberal so I obviously know that "seeking a higher education does not mean yer a liberal".