$700 billion dollar bailout? Are you kidding me?
#1
$700 billion dollar bailout? Are you kidding me?
The below is one of 2008s most massive chain letters currently going around. I got this two days ago, and would like your opinions on this plan and the idiotic proposal of a $700 billion dollar bailout.
"Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax-free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
< BR>Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college - it'll be there
Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car - create jobs
Invest in the market - capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And, of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-di stribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG - liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Family plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because
$25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam."
"Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax-free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
< BR>Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college - it'll be there
Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car - create jobs
Invest in the market - capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And, of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-di stribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG - liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Family plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because
$25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam."
#6
I'm trying to buy a house right now... this little screwup idea of theirs will end up driving my home cost up over 100K dollars and prevent me from purchasing.
Thanks US Federal government for ******* the whole world over at once.
Thanks US Federal government for ******* the whole world over at once.
#8
Unfortunately we are small fishes in a sea of deception. I like everyone else is fed up with this BS. Both sides of the house have many big $$$$ associates that will stand to loose a lot of money if this does not pass and they dropping big loads in their pants if they dont help them out.
They should not bail out anyone as this will just keep home prices from going down to where they should be. Its sad but many who bought houses that they can not afford need to go under foreclosure and those banks that were loose with their money need to go down as well.
I know what was going on for a while so it took me 1 year to find a house. The reason it took me so long is that everyone including realtors,sellers,banks were beleaving that the homes that they were selling were actually worth what they were asking. I made a lot of offers between 75-150k under the asking prices. Ive had my realtors insulted,laughed at and phones hung up when they would receive my offers. I got fed up with unreasonable sellers and only looked at short sales or foreclosures. I found my house for 220k under the market value. I have enough equity to absorb the declining market prices plus made some improvements through out my home. Guess whos laughing now
They should not bail out anyone as this will just keep home prices from going down to where they should be. Its sad but many who bought houses that they can not afford need to go under foreclosure and those banks that were loose with their money need to go down as well.
I know what was going on for a while so it took me 1 year to find a house. The reason it took me so long is that everyone including realtors,sellers,banks were beleaving that the homes that they were selling were actually worth what they were asking. I made a lot of offers between 75-150k under the asking prices. Ive had my realtors insulted,laughed at and phones hung up when they would receive my offers. I got fed up with unreasonable sellers and only looked at short sales or foreclosures. I found my house for 220k under the market value. I have enough equity to absorb the declining market prices plus made some improvements through out my home. Guess whos laughing now
Last edited by venom; 09-28-2008 at 02:10 PM.
#9
Why does the government feel the need to help these companies? Isn't that how business works, if you don't run your company the right way you fail and go out of business?
I just don't see why they are getting help.
I just don't see why they are getting help.
#12
THIS THREAD FAILS. 85 BILLION DIVIDED BY 200 MILLION IS $425!!!! not 425,000 lol
Even if it was the full 700 billion it only be $3500 per person.
The bailout has to happen even if we don't like it, it will stop a spiral downfall of our economy.
Even if it was the full 700 billion it only be $3500 per person.
The bailout has to happen even if we don't like it, it will stop a spiral downfall of our economy.
#14
I don't agree completely with you on the Bailout, but hopefully they will come to terms to help these companies/banks dig themselves out of the giant holes that they've dug themselves into.
#16
I don't even come close to understanding the global impact it would have if these companies failed, but I tend to agree with WNRacing on this one. I might change my mind if I understood the global impact or domestic impact it would really have. I'd rather the Feds help people who were screwed by the mortgage companies and banks...not the greedy companies. A failure usually leads to a lesson learned.
#17
I don't even come close to understanding the global impact it would have if these companies failed, but I tend to agree with WNRacing on this one. I might change my mind if I understood the global impact or domestic impact it would really have. I'd rather the Feds help people who were screwed by the mortgage companies and banks...not the greedy companies. A failure usually leads to a lesson learned.
If these companies do fail and go under, someone else will come along and buy up these mortgages, and assettes(sp?) it will put the country in a crunch, but I'm not sure that it would really be any worse than it is now. Obviously housing prices would drop, people would lose equity, but at some point it would work itself back out of the hole, just like it did before.
Is it worth another $700,000,000,000.00... I really don't think it is honestly. I just don't know how they plan to move ahead with "plan B." We should not have bailed out AIG, and for all intents and purposes it appears that Allstate, the Hartford and a few other companies are quickly approaching failure as well. Do we let all of these businesses fail?.. I don't honestly know how to answer that question, but I know handing them a blank check isn't going to do anyone any good.
Last edited by WNRacing; 09-29-2008 at 10:15 PM.
#18
you should have bought a house before a 5.4L engine...
#21
Originally Posted by stephen4036
you should have bought a house before a 5.4L engine...
w00t... took the words right out of my mouth.
more truthfully, I wasn't planning on buying a house for another 12 months. I've used almost my entire cash reserve to pay down CC debts and pay off my cars early so I'd have plenty of spare cash to pay a mortgage and moving costs. 5 years ago I projected that we'd see this sort of bubble popping phenomena in the housing market and I knew I'd be able to pick up a nice house for a song. I did make a mistake in my calculations and predicted that the minimum of the trough would be a year from now and not, as we've come to see, right now. When I did a check on homes in my area a few weeks ago the prices were finally where I predicted the lower end average is going to hover for a while (at least in my town... things are a tad wacky here with all the high incomes in the area) and the time was now. My credit score was high enough and my debts were low enough. Thing is in Livermore, a house can be bid up from 300k to 450k in a hurry.
Now about the engine... I saved money from odd jobs and traded inventory from my other hobbies (guns, computers, tools, etc...) to gather the parts for my engine for over 2 years.
In short: I spent zero dollars of my paycheck or savings on my engine. So stuff it steviebuns.
#24
The silly part is the 5.4 swap was done long long long ago. A year ago to be exact. So it's irrelevant anyway. To boot, the motor itself was put together (and paid for) for almost 5 months before I got it installed. Those baskets of cash aren't even in the same tax year.
I wasn't planning on buying a house for 24-30 months last october and even then... there's a limit to what I'll spend on a home. I don't plan on being stupid and buying a 500000 dollar house. I want a 300K house (which is as little as you can spend here and get small 3br house outside the barrio) that I can afford even if I have to take a 20% pay cut. I refuse to spend 300K for a crapbox though.
I'm pretty sure one day my car will turn into a giant robot and kick my *** for being so mean to it.
I wasn't planning on buying a house for 24-30 months last october and even then... there's a limit to what I'll spend on a home. I don't plan on being stupid and buying a 500000 dollar house. I want a 300K house (which is as little as you can spend here and get small 3br house outside the barrio) that I can afford even if I have to take a 20% pay cut. I refuse to spend 300K for a crapbox though.
I'm pretty sure one day my car will turn into a giant robot and kick my *** for being so mean to it.
#25
false
the car was born for punisment it will always love you for it
#26
If that day comes, I want to be there to film it so I can plaster it all over the internet.
#29
Gov't to banks "Please don't make stupid desicions that cause the economy to collapse again here is a multi-billion dollar check to fix your mistakes
banks to Gov't " Thank we promise it won't happen again"
middle america to anyone who cares ie. (not the gov't)
banks to Gov't " Thank we promise it won't happen again"
middle america to anyone who cares ie. (not the gov't)
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