Okay so lets throw out drag racing.

And, lets look at the track where real men race. An EVO X stock will blow the doors off of a GT even with the Brembo package. The Mustang will need about 1.5k in parts (lowering springs, shocks/struts, swaybars, bumpsteer, and c&c plates) to be able to run it down.

I love the mustang, through and through. But, this Coyote 5.0 is not going to be the ruler of all worlds. It's still a mustang, still has shitty suspension and as mentioned before, it always has too small of a tire and never has a good tire either.

I'd still buy one over an Evo myself. But if the money arose, I'd snatch up an Evo/Sti in a heartbeat.



Don't even get into the repairs on Stis or Evos either. You're comparing them to a car with coated piston walls and so much technology poured into it that it'll cost an arm and a leg to fix these new stangs. If my Cobra costs as much to repair as it does, I guarantee these new 5.0s will be even worse being brand new and 4v.

Depends on what you mean by blow doors off I would bet that with the performance options the mustang would't do a pretty good job of keeping up seeing as it can keep up with an m3

The new Evos are fat asses and i don't know why they switched engines. The 4G63 was a great engine. The reviews I've read and videos I've seen on the new evos say the handling is shit. Either way, who gives a shit whether you race from a dig, a roll, or on a road track. Last time I checked if you are on the freeway you're not going to come to a complete stop and race. Thats just stupid. Just because someone has AWD doesn't mean they can launch it well. I like evos, not so much sti's as I can't stand the sound they make, but I'd still take a 2011 GT over one any day of the week. An evo or sti might get the jump from a stop, but I guarantee you the mustang catches up.

I'd say that overall, despite where the new mustang GT is AT, Ford has at least made a big step in the right direction with the engines of both the GT and base V6. I think it's safe to say that the 2011 'stang has closed some good distance on the compact imports.

Also, it's not worth mentioning the type of person who drives imports or stangs. Let's face it, from garbage truck drivers to presidents, douchbags will always exist. Cars should be judged only from an objective point of view.

I disagree. All Ford has done is finally get the cars the hp they desire, they still lack everywhere else.

The new M3 is a joke, so don't even bring it into this. We'll see, like I said.

the 4B11T holds its own pretty well snice it is aluminum, the 4G63 was iron.

if you care to read Ryan gates didn't pretty well before his 4B11T died.
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...ack-evo-x.aspx

So much hate goin on here. Cant we all agree that any car running under 13 stock and isnt 40,000+$ great? Im ecstatic over the 2011, although i gotta wait till college so by then the worlds gunna end and ill be fucked. (Good amount of sarcasm there) Despite the 2011 mustangs having shitty suspension and tires for their power, ill continue to look forward to buying one and having an orgasm every time i step on the pedal. I imagine with 410hp, some suspension, better tires, and a tune you could run low 12s. Especially considering motortrend got 440 someodd horsepower just by adding a new effing filter, i really wanna know how well these cars handle to mods, and how well they can take the increased power.

Well look at the 4v cars now. The heads flow so well that any intake/exhaust mods REALLY pull out some power. I don't see it being much worse for the 2011, even though it isn't boosted.

The mustang doesn't show up out of the box ready to hit a road race track... wow...theres some news..:rolleyes:

However, shops probably already have a few of these fuckers snatched up and are doing work..

Just to note: The v6 runs a high 13 second quarter mile. What most stock new edge GTs run out here..

So now lets throw modding into play, the new 5.0 with a small nitrous shot and tires, will probably go into the low 12s, if not high 11s. And the v6 with a small nitrous shot, tires, and a tune, would probably be out giving me a run for my money, if I still had my car.

I'm sure some of the road race shops will be out there, dumping tons of shit into these mustangs, and having them set records here within the next year or so..

I thought a gaymaro ran 12.8, the 5.0 runs 12.5, and the gt500 runs 12.2.. correct me if im wrong.

And a bottle fed 5.0 would probably run 11 - 11.6. My guess.

I don't care about the M3, so you need not worry. And, yes, we'll see. I'm just excited to see the new ponies hit the streets.

You mean a 5.0 with spray, tires, and SUSPENSION. It's not going anywhere without some work done to the suspension. But yes, even so it'll be a hell of a ride after what 2-2.5k....

But like I've said before. Anything other than nitrous is going to blow. Guys can run some pretty high boost (~10lbs) on 05-09s, but with the 2011s high CR that market will be pretty shot. For example, just look at the 350z. All the turbo kits for them run 5psi MAYBE.

I'll still keep my car for that reason. I'm shooting for a single turbo and I don't have the money to tear apart the motor and put in dished pistons. Maybe later, but if I spend 5k on a turbo kit I want to be running some fairly high boost, even if it still only gives me a little bit more power than the 2011.

The only thing making the 5.0 do so well are the heads and the high CR. If you tore the motor apart and built it for boost then you're pretty much building an 05-09 motor just with a little bit better heads and a few more cubic inches. Seems kinda pointless to me.

1. No, tires and nitrous. The car may not be able to squat in the rear and lift in the front very well, but it will hook enough to run into the 11s. Why you continue to think an extra 75 horsepower and 100+ lbs of torque from nitrous and hooking of a decent drag radial won't push that car a second better is kinda beyond me. I've seen numerous other cars do it with no issue.

So, for an extra 600-800 bucks there it is.

High boost and stock internals do not mix. If you actually do it, you'll be seeing what I mean.

The fact that the 2011 has a high compression does not necessarily mean it won't be able to run boost effectively at all. Alot of it will be in the tune, making sure detonation does not occur.

Bullshit. A high CR motor can not run high boost. It's a simple fact. The compression is so high that running high boost would blow the rings, seals, and probably much worse.

Also, if you read the articles on the testing of the 2011 they stated that the whole reason that they couldn't get a better time is because the car wouldn't transfer weight enough to actually launch any harder. Don't think just getting some tires is going to help with that.

But whatever, your logic is a little skewed but do what you will. Somehow a $500 nitrous kit and some nice tires, which usually cost around $500 as well, adds up to $600. Okay.

So I said somewhere the motor would run HIGH BOOST? I never said that. I said it would handle boost fine. I never said how much. #1.

#2 Hooking on a drag strip means a hell of alot, maybe not to you, but it does. Where did I say "just some tires" I included nitrous, a means of forced induction, which, believe it or not, will push you into faster times, also gaining a higher MPH over stock, and better 60's, if you're hooking. WHICH, by the way, has been tested, and proven. I believe Livernois did that one.

I was wrong about tires, oh lord, $600 for tires, you can toss an extra $450 at a nitrous kit for 11s, oh shit..damn it, I was wrong.

The fact you believe you're going to be pushing more then 10lbs of boost on a single turbo, with stock internals on that motor is hilarious, let me know how that goes over at 15lbs..please. And take pictures..

Oh, and I guess tell $helby to take his 2011 GT with a whipple and exhaust ONLY back to the shop he brought it from, cause it won't work..then again, it's pushing 9lbs and producing over 500 rwhp..

By the way, that was at the Fabulous Fords show here at Knotts Berry Farm this past weekend..

why do you say this?

lol sorry for bringing up such a debate but it was in comparison to the highly priced well equiped v6. For that price i was just saying that one could buy what imo a better all around sports car. But either way 30K+ for a base model Gt is quite steep I would think. For that money one could find a MINT termi and still have a shit load of doh to mod.

oh and SnTBakosFinest Ghost Rider at knotts berry farms is the shit. Been there many times.

Who gives a shit if the new GTs have high compression. It's a better engine than whats in the GTs now and even with low boost, say 5-8lbs, it will still be plenty fast. Hell you don't really want to boost over 10lbs now on a stock GT block cause it can't handle much more. If you don't like, don't buy it, but nobody has driven one yet or have seen the potentials from mods. As far as getting the rear to hook, you don't need to spend that much money. Like Bako said, sticky tires help and throw some rear LCAs on and it will definitely be an improvement over stock.

Why compare Mustangs to Evos and Stis anyways? They are different types of cars. Either way, stock for stock, a 2011 GT will beat a new Evo. 440hp vs. 295hp and the evo isn't that much lighter.

Somewhere along the line the domestic/import debate always comes into it. Its as two-sided as basic politics. Good to know others agree with me that the 2011 is a stronger car than what's out there now. How anyone can argue different is beyond me.

Dude, you guys are a bunch of homos.. lol

There is always going to be a better car out there, no matter how great the Mustang is. The bottom line is that Ford has stepped up the program with this new Mustang, both with the 300 HP V6 and the 450 HP GT. I mean seriously, did we ever think we'd see the day where a V6 mustang would be 300+ HP???

BTW: The new "Boss" with the 302 Coyote has been doing extremely well in the GT series, yes they have suspension/safety modifications, but the engine/drivetrain is pretty much stock/unmodified and it's having no problem beating the rice burners.

You're a homo. haha, just messin. I completely agree though. Anyone can say well with these mods this can beat this. Mustangs haven't had the best suspensions out of the box, but they are improving. It's going to be a great car no matter what. If you rather buy something else, then go for it, but this is a mustang site. This thread started off by showing a picture of a new mustang and someone who ordered one and turns into an Evo and Sti will kill it from a dig. Jesus people.

this is why its the mustangboards, even the on topic is off topic.lol

i dont want to sound like a tree huger but the coolest thing about the 2011 GT is the fuel mileage imo.lol

I'm definately going to be interested in seeing what these bolt on 5 liters are going to do. I'm more interested in seeing what these v6's are going to do..

Lets not forget, one of the mags that tested the Challenger, Camaro, GT basically said "We think if the mustang was a v6, the camaro and challenger would give it a run for its money."

Basically, Ford got tired of these hyped camaros and challengers, and showed up to play.

I think a full bolt on GT will be pretty beefy. I would definitely take one. And you figure anyone who wants to get into serious power and wants to run boost, will rebuild the engine anyways. So right out of the box, I see nothing wrong with a high compression engine. Plenty of potential me thinks.

@SnTBakosFinest
That last sentence is awesome. I completely agree with you.

5-8 lbs on the 5.0 will give it plenty of power. I mean it already makes 450 stock...

Its a Mustang with a 5.0...whats not to love? :D

#1 Are you fucking stupid? I said the new 5.0 will be like the 350z is now, it won't be able to run high boost because of it's high CR. Then you went of talking about running boost is possible even with it's high CR. I said HIGH BOOST, not boost at all.

#2 You said $600-$800, and I simply said that that was false. I don't know what fucking job you have but $600 and $1000 is a big difference to me.

#3 Shelby has not released numbers for the GT350 yet, and I can guarantee you it won't be pushing 9lbs of boost. The guys I talked to said 6-7lbs at the most, which is low boost like I originally said. And they're a Shelby authorized dealer in Texas so I'm going to trust their word first. Also, I've talked to Hellion about their turbo kit for the 2011s and they said right now they're looking at 5lbs of boost from it.

A quote from autoblog.

"The 5.0's compression ratio is a high 11.0:1. This suggests that, in order to produce a long-lived engine that Shelby is comfortable emissions-certifying and warranting, boost may need to be set at somewhat conservative levels."

Shelby's own website says that the car has been tuned to put out CLOSE to 500hp.

#4 If you'd actually read my posts, which you have obviously not been doing I never once mentioned anything about running 15lbs of boost. I said ~10lbs of boost, which has been accomplished many times by S197 guys. Hell one lives about two blocks down the road.

#1 Since when is 10lbs been high boost? It isn't.

#2 $600 and $1000 isn't a massive difference in the car world, if you're worried about money, quit road racing, and modding all together.

#3 Did I say the car at Knotts was for production? I don't believe I did. I believe I stated it showed up with 9lbs on a whipple, an exhaust, and a tune.

#4 I mentioned Hellion for YOUR car, numbnuts. 10 is about the max on the stock motor. Since thats considered fairly low boost, and you were talking about running "high boost" I figured you'd be talking about 15lbs or more.

And the fact that now you're wanting to just throw insults around, I think it's pretty fuckin stupid you're willing to throw your bench racing two cents in on a car that hasn't had too many people run forced induction on it yet, and basically say it isn't possible. I'm sure within the next month or two guys like ST Performance, Racers Edge Tuning, and Swanson Performance will be out setting records for it pretty quickly, and thats here on the West coast, not to mention what'll be going on over on the East Coast..

Actually, I'm almost positive atleast one 2011 GT will be into the 10s by May 21st, with either a whipple or a kenne bell, and that it'll be done by ST Motorsports, with a stock bottom end.

The fact that they've done it with the Camaro, and the Challenger, and numerous mustangs, it really won't be suprising they do it with another mustang. And I'll bet it sits right around 9lbs of boost.

Jeez, two people had their cheerios pissed in. And agreed, snbako, that last sentence was epic worthy. Might be quote worthy...

No, just a friendly argument over what the motor will be capable of..

When the LS7 came out people thought that the motor was "maxed" and well... look at them now.

True, i for one, will be one of those guys that never puts any FI into a already 430HP car. Go for all the bolt ons, a tune, tires, suspension, looks, Done. Wonder what bolt ons are left to do for these?

The basics with like every other car, I'm sure. People enjoy pushing motors into some insane numbers, z06s, GT500s, SVT Cobras, etc. Hell, I have a friend that dyno'd yesterday in his 04 Cobra, with a 2.8 upper and it made 525rwhp..

10lbs isn't high boost. I said fairly high boost, once again read my first few posts. I never once said that the 2011 won't take boost at all I just said it's not worth paying 5k for a turbo/supercharger when it only gives 5-7lbs boost and maybe another 100hp. I don't have the money to build a motor and buy a turbo kit.

How many people on here are boosted and have a built motor?

That was my whole argument, and then on your comment I simply stated that the car will have a hard time running 11s on its stock suspension.

$400 is a big difference to me. That goes for a lot of us on here. We don't have money to blow on a car and then wreck it like yourself. Most of us are in school, and try to mod our mustangs on the side because it's our passion. $400 for me is most of a paycheck and that's a big difference.

But I agree that $1000 for nitrous and some tires to push low 12s maybe 11s is a dream most people can't vouch for. I never disagreed with you on that, just stated that I think it'll need some suspension work to hit 11s.

I'm not saying that someone won't push a 2011 to its limits, but we were talking about a normal daily driven car that would be a weekend warrior and anything that RET or Lethal or any of those guys build is not going to be daily driven. Nor are those cars going to hit 10s on stock suspension or are they going to not just build the bottom end for boost or spray by then.

I'm not putting anything against the 2011, I'm just saying that it's a different animal from the S197s. With the 5.0 you're better doing spray or building it N/A, unless you can afford to build it.

I'm not just making up shit, it's simple facts. A high CR motor with a non-forged bottom end is not going to run FAIRLY high boost. I've watched plenty of guys with 350zs and other high CR cars blow them up with boost because they ran higher than 5lbs. I was just stating that the 2011 doesn't seem much different to me. But whatever, ignore the facts.

The banter between the two of you is hilarious. 08, holy car and driver motor trend STATS guy. You sound like the clowns I work with... I am in no way calling you one but the keyboard racing is getting you no where. All of the facts you bring to this thread here are things 'we' in this mustang community already know. In way you are just beating the horse. I admire your willingness to try and learn us on how this new powered mustang will still suck ass. Thats what I get out of all of your posts in this thread. Remember, this mustang will still run a 12 second pass on the so called poorly set up suspension. Get off the SOAP BOX.

Yes, there was a point where you mentioned about running a turbo and high boost on YOUR car...snake commented on this and you thought he was speaking about the coyote 5 oh, LMAO! Yes, he could have been more clear about which he was speaking of but thats besides the point.

HAHA 10 psi HIGH BOOST, stop it your killing me smalls. In your defense, yes, this could be considered high boost on a stock application. Remember, we are gear heads and when we read something like "high boost" we tend to automatically think of a number between 15 to 20. Well, I do at least.

This is for the quote:

Remember, we dont have a table of standards of what one would call 'conservative' or 'high'. When it comes to reading a magazine article how are we supposed to gauge what the writer is trying to convey when they use loose terms. Like the saying tomatoe or toma-toe its all how 'you the reader' interpret things.

When you're driving daily, unless you're planning on romping the pedal everywhere, you generally won't be going under boost. RET and Lethal will build a race car, ST has been known to build blower-only cars and put them into the 10s. Pushing the limit? Yes. But, thats racing.

I'm not knocking anyone about saying $1000 is expensive or anything. I am saying that when it comes to modifying a car, and racing it, shit breaks, parts are expensive, and labor is expensive, if you cannot build it yourself.

And yea, the 5.0 and the 4.6 3 valve are different animals. One has a higher compression, giving it a higher horsepower stock, with better flowing heads etc.

Then again as stated a while ago, alot of things will depend on how the car is tuned with pushing a boost of 8-10lbs. It will be more difficult to tune it and prevent detonation.

I really dont understand why there is arguing going on about this...anyone else?

I get on my car every now and then. And if it can't handle it like so then I don't want it. My car is a car, not a drag queen. Not a record setting, garage kept, trailered car. It is driven almost every day, and I might stomp on it a few times a week to play around with people. If running 8-10lbs of boost means that I can't do so then I'd rather just turn it down to 5lbs and be safe. That was what I was getting at.

My facts are from myself, not from anywhere else other than the one quote.

I'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to state my point, I'm not getting heated. I'm not some douchey CrazySkank lol.


I don't consider this arguing. We're just discussing. No one is yelling or cussing someone out lol. Just debating maybe. Ohh god, let's all freak out.....America.

Well, I would hate to egg either of them on but I do thnk it is an amusing thread from a spectators perspective. My amusment is starting to wear off though. Each one of you guys has a counter fact to shoot down what they say and it is not getting anywhere. It is just a mexican stand off. I say it is about time for both of ya'll to give it up. I am just happy to see how the new 5.0 looks. Like other people have already said if you don't like it, don't buy one.

Oh no I LOVE the 2011. I'd love to have one. I'm not dissing it at all, just stating that it's a motor that should be built N/A because it already has the high CR and nice heads. Running boost means that it'd either be low boost or be rebuilt for boost. That's my entire point. No hating. How can I hate it. It's the fastest stock N/A mustang yet.

Subtle sarcasim FTL then...
talking about Oh God, America....