View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
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#3031
I think we all should give our self a pat on the back, for just input in this forum.
AND around of applause for "r3dneck" for mataining the forum!
It's good to go to a place and not get made fun of because you want a N/A 5.4l 2V.
#3032
i haven't been made fun of, but i have been told i was nuts for trying it.
most forums i'm on( too many to count) were amazed and intriged by the swap. i know a couple guys on here wanted to do it after they saw mine in person.
somebody had an idea awhile back over having a 5.4 mustang show, sounds good.
most forums i'm on( too many to count) were amazed and intriged by the swap. i know a couple guys on here wanted to do it after they saw mine in person.
somebody had an idea awhile back over having a 5.4 mustang show, sounds good.
#3033
Well some news on my end.
Going to pick up a stock navi longblock friday. The sound the 99 is making still sounds like its in the trans. Either way will be fine with me as either way Im ending up with a DOHC 5.4 in it.
Scenario 1, trans is infact bad. Ill replace the trans and drive the car like it is while I build a street monster.
Scenario 2, engine is bad. Ill slap on the cobra cams, custom intake and drive it as it is while building the other engine I have.
Both scenarios end up with the 99 back on the road asap, woohoo!
I too bought a set of adapter plates from turboX2. Awsome guy to deal with btw and very knowledgable!
Going to pick up a stock navi longblock friday. The sound the 99 is making still sounds like its in the trans. Either way will be fine with me as either way Im ending up with a DOHC 5.4 in it.
Scenario 1, trans is infact bad. Ill replace the trans and drive the car like it is while I build a street monster.
Scenario 2, engine is bad. Ill slap on the cobra cams, custom intake and drive it as it is while building the other engine I have.
Both scenarios end up with the 99 back on the road asap, woohoo!
I too bought a set of adapter plates from turboX2. Awsome guy to deal with btw and very knowledgable!
#3034
w00t. congrats!
I got tune #7 in my email yesterday. Be putting it on this morning and then doing some more WOT runs. I've scheduled a dyno run for next wednesday. Should be some interesting results.
I got tune #7 in my email yesterday. Be putting it on this morning and then doing some more WOT runs. I've scheduled a dyno run for next wednesday. Should be some interesting results.
#3036
I'm working with Amazon Racing on my tuning. I've done the bulk of it but for 125 bucks they've got the extra expertise and they're down to work with guys like me (or anyone) to get the tune right. I'm still doing most of it but I needed a little help to get some of the more advanced stuff worked out.
One of the tuners in my area farms out the REALLY complicated jobs to Amazon and then does the fine tuning on the dyno.
If you need a tune and you have the SCT software I can give you a file to load values from that should get you running. If nothing else, the first Amazon tune I got was perfectly streetable. It wasn't perfect yet but I did easily drive it.
One of the tuners in my area farms out the REALLY complicated jobs to Amazon and then does the fine tuning on the dyno.
If you need a tune and you have the SCT software I can give you a file to load values from that should get you running. If nothing else, the first Amazon tune I got was perfectly streetable. It wasn't perfect yet but I did easily drive it.
#3037
I'm allmost ready to dive back into this project guys... reading your stories has helped keep my interest up so keep those stories and pics flowing.
I signed the deal on my new casa wednesday and we are moving next weekend - after that its back to the car fund
I signed the deal on my new casa wednesday and we are moving next weekend - after that its back to the car fund
#3038
sick.
Hey guys, speaking of which I have a bunch of spare parts that I need to sell.
2v 5.4L front cover, belt tensioner, oil pumps, pick-up tubes, dipstick tubes, chains & gears, 1 ported (stage 1) head, windage tray and other stuff. I'll send you a box full of goodies for 300 bucks. Also, I'm taking dibbs on my HPS intake and reichard plates.
Hey guys, speaking of which I have a bunch of spare parts that I need to sell.
2v 5.4L front cover, belt tensioner, oil pumps, pick-up tubes, dipstick tubes, chains & gears, 1 ported (stage 1) head, windage tray and other stuff. I'll send you a box full of goodies for 300 bucks. Also, I'm taking dibbs on my HPS intake and reichard plates.
#3040
It will fit on there but you need to have bottom end balanced for the lighter crank dampener. Any time you change the rotating weight on a crank it needs to be rebalanced.
#3041
i wa under the impression that all modulars were zero balaced? If thats the case, as long as the balancer will physicly fit should be a direct swap I would think
#3042
There you go. I'm using the stock 8rib crank pulley, all the 8rib tensioners and a 6 rib alternator pulley (stock hehe). My shizzle works great.
#3043
If you talk to any balance shop they will tell you that the total weight of the balancer is taken into account when doing any type of engine balance job, IE...on a modular motor they will want the dampener, oil pump gear, timing gears, gear for magnetic pickup, flywheel, and flywheel bolts. In order to properly balance any motor they need any part that spins with the crank. You are correct about the internal balance but changing the total weight on the front of the crank can cause premature wear and or failure of the bearings. (5.4L and 4.6L dampeners have a different total weight)
Read this http://www.centuryperformance.com/balancing.asp it will tell you that you need these parts to spin while balancing a motor. Also yes you can balance without the correct dampener but you are gambling with the lively-hood of your bottom end
Read this http://www.centuryperformance.com/balancing.asp it will tell you that you need these parts to spin while balancing a motor. Also yes you can balance without the correct dampener but you are gambling with the lively-hood of your bottom end
Last edited by cdjnight; 11-24-2007 at 10:43 AM.
#3044
All automotive engines can benefit by being balanced when they are rebuilt. If you have performed any of the following:
http://www.perpetualbalance.com/balance/main.html
- Replaced the Pistons
- Ground the Crankshaft
- Replaced the Crankshaft
- Resized the Connecting Rods
- Replaced the Connecting Rods
- Replaced the Flywheel
- Replaced the Damper
- Replaced the Flexplate
http://www.perpetualbalance.com/balance/main.html
Last edited by cdjnight; 11-24-2007 at 10:39 AM. Reason: added link
#3045
All automotive engines can benefit by being balanced when they are rebuilt. If you have performed any of the following:
http://www.perpetualbalance.com/balance/main.html
- Replaced the Pistons
- Ground the Crankshaft
- Replaced the Crankshaft
- Resized the Connecting Rods
- Replaced the Connecting Rods
- Replaced the Flywheel
- Replaced the Damper
- Replaced the Flexplate
http://www.perpetualbalance.com/balance/main.html
WHile I see what they are saying AND agree about the benifits, do you honestly think its worth it to tear the engine apart when you have a flywheel replaced? The material removed after having a flywheel turned I would guess would be greater than running the 4.6 dampner. Or might just convert all to 8 rib or may do like redn3ck done and use half and half.
#3047
On the kar kraft website they have 2 different 5.4 shortblocks for sale. One is for a lightning and the other a 5.4 4 valve. Would the 5.4 4 valve shortblock be a better starting point for a n/a two valve build with the flat top pistons? The 4 valve shortblock is also $400 cheaper, money that could be spent towards better rods.
#3048
the 4v is cheaper because it comes with cast pistons not forged. The lightning motor comes with forged pistons. With that shortblock and a set of 320 dollar TMD h-beams and a balance job away from a rock solid little bullet of a motor.
The 4v block will net out 10.8:1 - 11.1:1 compression (I'm at 10.5:1). The L block will net out closer to 8.5:1 which will cost some NA power (not much) but makes for a great boost motor.
97mustang4.62v... Best cam depends on a lot of things. I'll BRB with the results of simulating your spec and an optimized timing for best HP and TQ. Realize that these are theoretical until someone tries them.
K... cam results: From virtual dyno the 230/236 is an ok cam with decent potential for as low as it lifts. A lot depends on the ramp rate. I was able to play with it a bit and got better results at the same lift with 226/240 on a 112.5 LSA. With a regular street grade ramp speed you'll see higher hp and tq across the board and a bit more power under the curve and that's on .500 lift. FWIW, my comp 270's show better power than either cam but lift .550.
The 4v block will net out 10.8:1 - 11.1:1 compression (I'm at 10.5:1). The L block will net out closer to 8.5:1 which will cost some NA power (not much) but makes for a great boost motor.
97mustang4.62v... Best cam depends on a lot of things. I'll BRB with the results of simulating your spec and an optimized timing for best HP and TQ. Realize that these are theoretical until someone tries them.
K... cam results: From virtual dyno the 230/236 is an ok cam with decent potential for as low as it lifts. A lot depends on the ramp rate. I was able to play with it a bit and got better results at the same lift with 226/240 on a 112.5 LSA. With a regular street grade ramp speed you'll see higher hp and tq across the board and a bit more power under the curve and that's on .500 lift. FWIW, my comp 270's show better power than either cam but lift .550.
Last edited by r3dn3ck; 11-25-2007 at 07:37 AM.
#3049
r3d
would 10.8:1 or 11.1:1 be too much for a street motor. Being n/a with no nitrous I would not be too worried about the cast pistons, only the rods. I could be wrong though as this is going to be my first project like this if I go ahead with it.
would 10.8:1 or 11.1:1 be too much for a street motor. Being n/a with no nitrous I would not be too worried about the cast pistons, only the rods. I could be wrong though as this is going to be my first project like this if I go ahead with it.
#3050
i run 10.5 and that's perfectly fine for street. 11:1 is about my reasonable limit for a car that will see 91/93 octane gas. Nitrous is extra good on high comp motors. I see little reason not to do it. If you have the heads ported and remove the emissions mask/swirl dam then you'll be safely just below 11:1 with flat tops. I'd do it.
If you can do it, I really recommend the H-beams. Cheap insurance against a windowed block.
If you can do it, I really recommend the H-beams. Cheap insurance against a windowed block.
#3052
dunno... the simulator says that'll lose power on ported heads. I'd probably stick with a comp 270 or vt stage 2 or something around there.
My latest optimized theoretical grind is:
234/238 @ .505/.520 on 108.5. In the simulator it drops a little power from 2000-2500 but goes hog wild after that with a big fat tq curve and nicely shaped hp curve. It's got a lot of overlap (16deg) and plenty of duration. These are all based on a pretty radical ramp rate. Call up comp and ask them for a XE270 with a little less lift and a little more overlap.
#3053
While I see what they are saying AND agree about the benefits, do you honestly think its worth it to tear the engine apart when you have a flywheel replaced? The material removed after having a flywheel turned I would guess would be greater than running the 4.6 dampener. Or might just convert all to 8 rib or may do like redn3ck done and use half and half.
#3054
i run 10.5 and that's perfectly fine for street. 11:1 is about my reasonable limit for a car that will see 91/93 octane gas. Nitrous is extra good on high comp motors. I see little reason not to do it. If you have the heads ported and remove the emissions mask/swirl dam then you'll be safely just below 11:1 with flat tops. I'd do it.
If you can do it, I really recommend the H-beams. Cheap insurance against a windowed block.
If you can do it, I really recommend the H-beams. Cheap insurance against a windowed block.
#3055
The difference between a 5.4 and 4.6 dampener can be POUNDS, resurfacing a flywheel is ounces or less. And from an engineering standpoint there is nothing else on the front of the crankshaft to absorb vibrations and harmonic imbalances like the transmission does on the rear. I would either stick with the 5.4 dampener or have it rebalanced.
#3056
92-98 GT 5.8 lbs
93-01 Mark 8 and Cobra 6.5 lbs
99-03 GT 8.95 lbs
03 Marauder and Mach 1 automatics 9.90 lbs
Two balancer where made for the 8 rib 5.4L engines
5.7 lbs part # ending in -BA
7.2 lbs part # ending in -CA 97 to present
No I wasn't assuming
93-01 Mark 8 and Cobra 6.5 lbs
99-03 GT 8.95 lbs
03 Marauder and Mach 1 automatics 9.90 lbs
Two balancer where made for the 8 rib 5.4L engines
5.7 lbs part # ending in -BA
7.2 lbs part # ending in -CA 97 to present
No I wasn't assuming
#3057
I still dont see why the DAMPNER(as its not a balancer) makes a bit of diff since the engine is neutral balanced.
#3058
The main reason comes down to its ability to reduce harmonic vibrations and the final step in any good balance job is to spin the crank assembly to 500 rpm with everything installed. How it effects that final spin balance I don't know, but I do know that using the incorrect one or one that is too light has attributed to oil pump gear failures premature wear on the bearings and if you ask any balance shop they will recommend supplying it with the rest of your parts for the balance job to be performed properly.
#3059
Also, R3Dn3ck may be confused about these definitions too, as he seems to like to correct my grammar as well.
The correct term is Harmonic Balancer, because that's what its job is, to balance harmonic vibrations in the crankshaft. As for correcting the grammar, a DAMPENER(a noun spelled correctly) is something that moistens something or makes it wet. On the other hand a Harmonic Balancer can dampen vibrations.
I have used the word "dampener" before to but I'm not here to correct any one's grammar just to help in the 5.4 swaps.
Oh what the heck, try it and let us all know here how long everything stayed together. I'm sure everyone here will appreciate your pioneering contributions to the forum.
The correct term is Harmonic Balancer, because that's what its job is, to balance harmonic vibrations in the crankshaft. As for correcting the grammar, a DAMPENER(a noun spelled correctly) is something that moistens something or makes it wet. On the other hand a Harmonic Balancer can dampen vibrations.
I have used the word "dampener" before to but I'm not here to correct any one's grammar just to help in the 5.4 swaps.
Oh what the heck, try it and let us all know here how long everything stayed together. I'm sure everyone here will appreciate your pioneering contributions to the forum.
Last edited by cdjnight; 11-25-2007 at 07:58 PM. Reason: Oh what the heck, try it and let us all know here how long everything stayed together.
#3060
Also R3Dn3ck may be confused about these definitions too *** he seems to like to correct grammar too
The correct term is Harmonic Balancer, because that's what its job is, to balance harmonic vibrations in the crankshaft. As for correcting the grammar, a DAMPENER(a noun spelled correctly) is something that moistens something or makes it wet. On the other hand a Harmonic Balancer can dampen vibrations.
I have used the word "dampener" before to but I'm not here to correct any one's grammar just to help in the 5.4 swaps.
Oh what the heck, try it and let us all know here how long everything stayed together. I'm sure everyone here will appreciate your pioneering contributions to the forum.
The correct term is Harmonic Balancer, because that's what its job is, to balance harmonic vibrations in the crankshaft. As for correcting the grammar, a DAMPENER(a noun spelled correctly) is something that moistens something or makes it wet. On the other hand a Harmonic Balancer can dampen vibrations.
I have used the word "dampener" before to but I'm not here to correct any one's grammar just to help in the 5.4 swaps.
Oh what the heck, try it and let us all know here how long everything stayed together. I'm sure everyone here will appreciate your pioneering contributions to the forum.
Since were on the grammer kick it would appear, I highlighted the mistake you made, kinda odd as it seems the one word you misspell appears to define you