Not sure if someone already asked or wrote about this but has anyone installed some Comp cams in their S197 yet? If so how was the idle? I keep hearing that it's really a mild cam due to the VTC, is that true? Also brenspeed said that no tune is necessary, is that true? Thanks.

 

Why would you install cams and not get a tune? Thats stupid.

 

Thanks for the reply but that was no help. I will be getting a tune But just wanted to know if Brenspeed was right or not. I don't want them installed and have to drive 2 hours for the dyno tune just for something to crap out.
Not being mean but please respond only if it deals with the question.

 

i agree with him. when you install anything major like that, its pretty important to get a tune. itd be a shame to install some awesome new parts, NOT get a tune and then blow your engine. not something i'd wanna go through. just think of all of the possible outcomes to the situation.

 

I did answer your question. You asked if a tune is necessary. It would be completely stupid NOT to get a tune after a significant modification like that.

Im getting tired of answering newb questions all the time. Try searching, I promise the info is there.

 

I might be a newb to this board but i'm not a newb to working on stangs, thank you. I WILL get a tune, but asking a question on what Brenspeed told me is not a stupid questions, i just wanted to make sure if he could be right or wrong. I have researched plenty and all i see is people that have the cams, and their is not to many people that do or they don't advertise it, they like them but don't give to much detail about them, ones that don't have cams says not to get any cams till later. or i just see videos of peoples cars that have them installed.
I'm just asking simple questions and don't need answers like yours. You could have just said yeah i would get a tune and don't believe in what brenspeed said, not the attitude though.
Also if your tired of answering newb questions, then i would leave this forum cause guess what, that's what forums are for, for people having questions, from dumb ones to good ones, you have to deal with it. As a moderator i would have to say, and i'm on other boards, your not the greatest one and don't see how you are a moderator, not taking punches but just telling you what i think. thank you for the not so great help. Doobie, thank you for your help.

 

Im surprised you even asked. Someone that isnt new to working on cars in general should know a tune is very important after installing a stage 3 cam.

Why do you think a stage 3 cam is right for you?


If you dont like my responses, then go to your User CP and block me or bring it up with another Mod. Otherwise, I apologize for my posts.

 

your question wasnt specific... all you asked if a tune was necessary and your question was answered as such. now if you wrote would i be able to drive to the dyno with out a tune that would be different. im sure your car is going to drive like **** because of the VVT. you know the whole bid stalling at stoplights between shifts ETC...

why buy a cam just to ask how the sound is... i never understood that. i thinks its a dumbass reason to buy cams.

we dont have many 3 valve owners that post up in here.

 

Great info stanger00 is was nothing but crap. And your right, there must not be to many people on here with the newer mustangs, and so far most that has posted info for this does NOT know much about them. oh and it's VCT not VVT like your honda. And who said anything about getting a cam for the sound, that's were your stupidity kicked in huh? or you make crap up. any ways..
Again, please read slow. All i asked was to see if Brenspeed was right or wrong, I WILL be getting a dyno tune for my car. ALSO the stage 3's for my 3V is different than your 2V especially with the VCT. Also you guys can read this, it's better to know what your talking about then to spout crap thats useless.
http://www.brenspeed.com/tech/compcams.html
I'll know next time, well if their is one, this board is so far useless, i'll post for only S197 owners to respond to.
03mustanggt, don't apologize, you spoke your opinion, though it was not necessary for a simple question, it's a free country, as i spoke mine.
stanger00, God i hope your not in the military, we need less of your types as it is, non knowing crap talker that needs to sit aside and let the real heroes fight the war.

 

oh and for why i need the cams, i have all possible bolt ons for N/A except for cams and heads or until they come out with the new intake, so i'm getting cams, not for sound...but for the HP.

 

**** i just mis read that. oh well no sweat off my sack

you know here is what was in the first paragraph of the that link. " For various reason that we won't go into here this is the largest cam you will find Comp selling for a while. They idle mild, drive like stock, yet add a TON of power." now as far as i know all modulars respond well with what they consider MILD grinds.

ima 2A in the air force so i will never be on the frontlines holding a gun. since thats where the real heros fight the wars.

bash me again for being in the military, your ******* dick.

 

your right 2005gt there aren't many 3v guys on here....lots of 2v and 4v people, but mostly 2v. I was going to ask you earlier why you'd want stage 3 cams for a daily driver, but I was thinking in terms of a 2v. A stage 3 cam for a 2v is probably way too much for a daily driver. I would just be careful of what cam companies call "mild". You don't want to go through all that trouble and make the car so it's almost un-drivable on the street.

 

The other people might not have answered your question the way you would have liked them to, but they gave their opinion on needing a tune after cams. With that statement I would just assume that Brenspeed was obviously incorrect with saying they don't need to be tuned. Any major mod you do is going throw off things that will need to be fixed with a tune. Some people might come across like dicks on here, but they've been here a long time and know what they are talking about. So you just have to deal with it.

And bashing some for being in the military is messed up. I've met stanger00 and he's a cool guy and knows his sh*t.

 

vct affects timing by advancing or retarding the cam based on engine load. Even with that setup in place there's little reason why cam companies can't make a more aggressive grind. What they will need to do to make it work is get deeper into the EEC-V computer and figure out how to make it work in the computer when it changes the timing. EEC programming is not trivial and has to be figured out before you can bring the cam to market (responsibly anyway).

The cam you linked is what I'd call a hot street grind. It's not "aggressive" but it's not a "mild" grind. As for the lope... there's a lot that goes into that and I'm not gunna teach it to you right now. I'd recommend checking out www.howstuffworks.com and covering cams, variable cam timing and electronic engine control.

BTW... Stanger has as much risk of being murdered because of his job choice as anyone on the line. Some dumbass in Germany may decide that they don't like Americans in the fatherland and smoke him because he's in uniform. So if you're gunna bash like that...leave. Seriously guy, people in the military have a hard enough time right now with an unpopular war making them the scape goats for the angst of the whole world. You're not helping and I think you owe him an apology. I know Stanger00. We've met and he has my respect so I'd bet that he has the respect of most others here. He doesn't deserve disrespect because he decided to serve our country.

You can't just roll up in a place and expect to be treated like family. We've all been here a while. You haven't. Earn it.

 

Reason I ask is because many people think the bigger the cam the better. Thats not the way it works. Just wanted to make sure you're getting the right **** for the right reasons.

 

exactly....people look at the HP increases, but don't realize the cams they are about to install might make the car almost un-drivable on the street ect...

 

this guy said his peice. i now know where he stands.

i came off wrong but he took it to another level.

 

Dan is right, and also, I find it extremely hard to believe Brenspeed of all places said you don't need a tune or retune with a cam. Light, moderate, or agressive, running any aftermarket cam with no tune is retarded. Who did you speak with from Brenspeed who told you that?