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Old 10-08-2006 | 09:15 PM
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I plan to do that. I am trying to put the plug pics on, but since I took them with my phone, it has been an ***. I will post pics, power before and after dynoed on the 10th of November. Thanks again to all who helped point me in the direction I needed to go and helped arm me with information to bring to the builders attention. You guys were great.
 
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Old 10-08-2006 | 09:19 PM
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I plan to do that. I am trying to put the plug pics on, but since I took them with my phone, it has been an ***. I will post pics, power before and after dynoed on the 10th of November. Thanks again to all who helped point me in the direction I needed to go and helped arm me with information to bring to the builders attention. You guys were great.
phone pics suck... don't worry about em now... you identified the oil and thats what counts...
 
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Old 10-08-2006 | 09:22 PM
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One of my friends who has an older 77 ford truck with a 428 cobra jet motor in it and builds the old pushrod motors, thinks the rings on the pistons aren't stacked correctly. what would you think would cause the serious blowby besides an already bad head gasket.
 
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Old 10-08-2006 | 11:51 PM
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not phasing the rings right or making a really big ring gap could certainly cause all kinds of oil issues, you could also be seeing a THRASHED valve seal but if it's on every plug then it's unlikely unless he pulled the valves, also entirely too much oil in it (like 13qts)... that's all that really comes to mind.

one thing is for damn sure... you should NEVER see oil FROM the breather tube. PCV tube... yeah that'll probably be a bit oily but the breather... hellz no.
 
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Old 10-09-2006 | 09:30 PM
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Ok! Car went back to the builder, he claims most issues will be worked out with an engine tune, doesn't hear the (cummins sound that I do and worry about) he hears everything as normal and states the blowby will correct itself when the rings seat up. I have no choice but, to let it ride and hope if it breaks, my warranty will cover his action or lack of it. He also says the CR is about 11:2-1 on the motor.
 
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Old 10-09-2006 | 09:35 PM
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Ok! Car went back to the builder, he claims most issues will be worked out with an engine tune, doesn't hear the (cummins sound that I do and worry about) he hears everything as normal and states the blowby will correct itself when the rings seat up. I have no choice but, to let it ride and hope if it breaks, my warranty will cover his action or lack of it. He also says the CR is about 11:2-1 on the motor.
did you show him your plug?

theres no reason for there to be oil on it... a tune will not fix that... thats a mechanical fault... not an electric one...
 
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Old 10-09-2006 | 09:40 PM
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he didn't see what I did I guess. I have to go riding with him and have him listen to what I am hearing. (I am certain I am running the first ever 4.6L Mod motor diesel in a mustang). I am hoping to get him to hear what I hear and feel what I feel. Fuel pressure was upped from what I was told to 37 psi or so and timing retarded to 8 degrees. Seems a bit much for a mod with that type of compression.
 
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he didn't see what I did I guess. I have to go riding with him and have him listen to what I am hearing. (I am certain I am running the first ever 4.6L Mod motor diesel in a mustang). I am hoping to get him to hear what I hear and feel what I feel. Fuel pressure was upped from what I was told to 37 psi or so and timing retarded to 8 degrees. Seems a bit much for a mod with that type of compression.
dude... as far as i am concerned... the oil on the plug is what he needs to see...

theres no way he can argue that
 
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Old 10-10-2006 | 12:22 PM
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11.2? Not with an un-flycut flat top on stock 2V heads. Closer to 12.6.

Good luck. Hope he gets that fixed. I've never gotten oil on plugs during the ring break in.
 
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Old 10-10-2006 | 09:15 PM
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Well my builder showed me the flat top pistons information and what the company who made them claim with the PI heads is a range of 10:7-1 and 11:2-1. I for one believe you all who have helped me with the information. The car is running alot better but with some pinging at inconsistent times. The timing was kept at 8 degrees and the fuel pressure was raised to a right high 45psi. He has given it a bill of health for the 2nd time and so if it blows, armed with the warranty information, I will go to court if something happens.

The blowby in the breather tube he says he believes came from the fact I have a valve cover filter breather on the drivers side where the oil cap would normally go. He told me the filter was likely causing the breather tube to create a little bit of vaccumm within the cold air intake and where one tube exhausted into it, the other was sucking it in. I am not I agree. I am not sure I am stating this 100% but, I am trying to relay it back to you all. I will get back to you as soon as get some more information.

To all of the folks who gave me help and assisted me without knowing my *** one bit, I would like to say a very heartfelt "Thanks." I add a pic of "red" in the garage tonight from the builders. I think my stang looks pretty good for 165,800 miles.
 
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Old 10-10-2006 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stngmn96
Well my builder showed me the flat top pistons information and what the company who made them claim with the PI heads is a range of 10:7-1 and 11:2-1. I for one believe you all who have helped me with the information. The car is running alot better but with some pinging at inconsistent times. The timing was kept at 8 degrees and the fuel pressure was raised to a right high 45psi. He has given it a bill of health for the 2nd time and so if it blows, armed with the warranty information, I will go to court if something happens.

The blowby in the breather tube he says he believes came from the fact I have a valve cover filter breather on the drivers side where the oil cap would normally go. He told me the filter was likely causing the breather tube to create a little bit of vaccumm within the cold air intake and where one tube exhausted into it, the other was sucking it in. I am not I agree. I am not sure I am stating this 100% but, I am trying to relay it back to you all. I will get back to you as soon as get some more information.

To all of the folks who gave me help and assisted me without knowing my *** one bit, I would like to say a very heartfelt "Thanks." I add a pic of "red" in the garage tonight from the builders. I think my stang looks pretty good for 165,800 miles.
keep us updated... and get some better pic posted in the lounge
 
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Old 10-13-2006 | 07:31 PM
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I will do. I am anxious to get it on the dyno and tuned. It needs it a bit. Otherwise, it is running for now. I will post the dyno numbers all info from the session in a few weeks. Thanks again everyone
 
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Old 11-11-2006 | 03:58 PM
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Hey everyone!

Well yesterday my stang went to Modular Madness West in Salt Lake City. Heath the owner was just awesome to deal with. I dropped the car off at 1030 am and by 1430 I had it back. This guy was amazing. The pinging I was experiencing is gone. A few custom programs and an SCT tuner and she is rumbling like she is supposed to and not pinging. The dynometer showed a bit over two hundred to the wheels. Heath said on a corrected Dyno Jet the motor was around 260hp. This is great because it brought the 96 GT weak 215 to the 1999-04 GT specs.

My mustang goes into the shop again on December 8th for a set of 3.73 gears since I do way too much highway and city driving to go to steep.

Since ported heads are not financially feasible, what would any of you truly suggest in the next steps of upgrades? I was advised the gears and a 2800 stall converter would really awaken my car. Will a slightly hotter cam work with stock built PI heads? I am working on the pics as I speak. Final compression numbers calculated by Heath at Modular Madness has me at a right high 11:8-1 for those who wanted to know.

Thanks to everyone who helped me out in this endevour. You are great. I look forward to getting the pics up and submitting some new gee whiz questions as they come up.

Take care,
John
 
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Old 11-11-2006 | 05:21 PM
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By the way, rwtq was at 260. So I am guessing it is laying down close to 300 in torque. I forgot to add the torque numbers. The flow chart was very nice and not spikey and flat. it is a nice curve.
 
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Old 11-12-2006 | 06:41 PM
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glad things worked out for ya...
 
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