Time to start driving the Old diesel Vw Jetta

 

I don't know who's fault it is, I guess you can't just point the finger and any one company or individual, but all I know is that here in the SF Bay we pay way too much for gas on a regular basis let alone in a crisis. I paid $3.02 a gallon for premium (91 octane) yesterday, and I imagine it will be $3.20 a gallon by the end of the week. It might be time to take the Predator tune out for a little bit.

 

The one under the bridge is actually a platform that was being worked on at the port. There is rumor several in the gulf broke loose and could be floating.

 

The refineries primarily responsible for making diesel were not hit as hard as the gas refineries.

Just what we need - a diesel powered Mach 1.

tripleblack

 

well guys i saw this coming, we just had a large debate at school voer all this...the ultimate statment this all amkes is that the oil reserves arent goin to last forever, and even fi they do, the idiots in charge will find a way to mess it up so the price goes to astronomical levels...simply put its time to find a better way to deal with all this, sure hybrids work well, but still its not enough, if we as a whole nation were to phase out gas guzzelers, in favor of cars with better milage we'd have les of a problem, beacuse even if it were to go to 10 bucks a gallon w'd need half as much as we are currently using, and we also ahve to realize that we are currently totaly dependant on oil, theres no escaping it, once we reduce our need, specifically for our vehicles, we can worry about miantaining what we have left....guys, im not saying a solar powered pony is a good idea, but defintly a pony thats cleaner and more fuel efficent would be a good way to go, beacuse at our current rate, not only will gas cost an arm and a leg, we wont have air left to breath in 50 or so years...guys we gotta get our act together, not as individuals but as a whole nation...

 

hey wat about me....i dont talk smack!!!!!!i feel like an object to be disposed of!!!

 

Ok, so he was telling the truth, at 5:15 I paid 2.46 for 87. At 7:45, same gas at SAME station was 2.65 Find a station still low, and buy it.

 

Dont mean to sound like a douche, but for some reason, I think we'd be up crap creek had the other candidate gotten his chance...oh, and they tried that fuel efficient mustang once, and its now the most hated mustang ever. FEAR THE II!

 

You doubte me? I would never lie about something as holy to me as gasoline!

Bet if you go back to the same station tomorrow, it will be higher.

50% of the gasoline refineries in the US (we don't really import "gasoline" - we make that - we import crude oil) just took a nasty bath.

The longer those refineries stay off-line, the higher the prices.

The oil platforms in the Gulf that came adrift and are no longer producing (and won't be for months, if ever) aren't helping, either.

tripleblack

 

Yep, we need not go back - we need to go forward.

Develop new technologies. Hell, just apply old ones! The idea of a fuel cell car with 1000hp - the same juice they get out of these on the space station - makes me drool. Weight less than a 4 banger, power like a dual turbo V8!

Drill oil wells (why we aren't doing this, I don't know). This seems SO obvious.

Build mass transit in the cities.

Encourage hybrids, electrics, etc., fine, no problem.

Cure the balance of trade issues with China (Japan, also a few others). Lots of the increased oil pricing is due to China using our dollars to compete for resources without sending any of them back to buy our stuff in return.

At about the current pricing for oil, oil shale deposits (remember those?) begin to look viable. If I'm not mistaken, a certain country near and dear to us sits on top of the world's biggest stash of this stuff - yes, lookie there, its the US of A.

But lets not be bringing back econoboxes and government mandated speed limits, OK?

tripleblack

 

BTW, when cars become more efficient, or we just stop driving, who is gonna keep paying all the taxes on the fuel? The feds and locals get lots of tax revenue on each gallon. The tax is based on gallons and not sale price. So, if we stop driving, the feds are just gonna have to raise the tax.

Thsi is why the fed are in cohoots with the oil companies. They both want us to use lots of gas.

 

I say we bring back Moon Shine. Yee haaa....

Everyone has a valid point. The only points I disagree on are, that we should just bend over and accept it. Think about this all those tree huggers complained so much that now the government thinks twice even three times before they knock down a tree to dig for oil. Now with all the hurricanes that have hit the gulf coast in last couple of years and the government didn’t have a back plan... when the gas prices go up. The Bush family gets richer. The Bush family has been in the white house for about 20 years... enough to change thing to benefit them. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

And I am not a Democrat

 

Had 1/4th tank before I went to the track today, low fuel light is on now. Gas is now u p to 3.20 for premium 93. Man I should of stayed home and saved the gas.

 

Sounds like you buy into some of the propaganda.

It might just turn into a live version of the road warrior. Im waiting on this moon sized asteroid to hit the earth myself.

 

Depending on your local tax situation, taxes comprise about 1/3 of the cost of a gallon of gas (a lot more in high tax states like California or New York).

There is also the question of imbedded taxes (taxes the corporations pay that pump the oil out of the ground; transport the crude; refine the crude; market the gasoline, etc.) that are hidden in the base price of the product. This is about 20 - 30% of the wholesale price.

Taken altogether, the govmint (fed, state and local) sucks down a huge chunk of the take from that gallon of gas. The profit the oil companies make is tiny compared to the tax bite.

MT#1BM is right - there are vested interests in government that welcome high consumption of fuel - not least of all because their ideological sensibilities are pleased at the idea of owners of performance cars and SUV's bearing the brunt of the tax load.

Remove some of the tax stream from gas, and you're only encouraging the miscreants (us) to drive their stupid Mustangs more than they already are...

tripleblack

 

Oops. The initial expert estimate of the amount of the immediate increase was a tad low. Now they think we'll see a bump of about 45 cents per gallon, particularly here in the South, where we used to have 8 refineries making gasoline.

Still early. Its sort of like some depressing auction...

"Do I hear $4.00 per gallon? Going once, going twice..."

tripleblack

 

I totally agree with that. I think the feds are in cohoots with many big companies. Just like with the pharmasudical companies,(can't buy drugs from cananda, what a crock), any big company that wants cheap labor, (thats why borders will won't ever be patrolled enough to be effective)
Bush wants to keep all his friends happy.

 

Drove by 4 gas stations here in San Diego. Everyone was over 3.00 for regular unleaded. Saw one at 3.33 and 3.93 for premium...

 

In Louisville KY it was 2.38 yesterday : 2.88 this mourn at 7 am est : now 5 mins ago 3.09 these are regular prices.

 

Just heard the tail end of a disturbing interview with some talking heads who are "energy experts". They were there to reassure us that the President would be releasing as much oil from the strategic reserve as needed to stabilize the temporary emergency.

Reporter then asked about where they planned to have the crude refined, with the refineries out of commission - and when, exactly, did they think they would be operating again?

Response from the "experts" - "Refineries? I'm sorry, we're not up on the situation with the refineries - we're here to assure everyone that there will be plenty of crude oil."

Very reassuring indeed.

tripleblack

 

I sold the wifes WRX Wagon Saturday because of fuel prices. Got her an 06 4 banger Escape 5 Speed. 29 Hwy 25 city

 

O im so glad we will be able to get all that crude and be able to take it.....

Nowhere imparticular. Dandy just Dandy.

 

Gas has entered the low $3 range in the Atlanta market.

This is up almost $1 in the past 2 months.

Anyone hear anything about when they plan to restart those refineries?

tripleblack

 

I dont understand this gas is arould .83cents-$1 a litre and people pay arould .80-.90cents for a bottle of water which is what? 1.2 litres? Its just water and its so much money

 

Yeap but you dont have to by bottle water there is always tap water and filter units that are much much cheaper

 

Prices in Atlana are about $3.15 for regular now.

When I first started this thread, some guys thought I was joking. 30 cents increase tomorrow.

Wish it had ended there.

Premium has gone up almost $1.00 per gallon around here in the past 4 days.

Wish I HAD been wrong.

Being right about stuff like this sux.

tripleblack

 

I wonder how much longer this nonsense is going to last...

 

The Governor of Georgia has canceled the sales tax on gas here (19 cents a gallon on average). This is a welcome action, and given the political risks, a courageous one.

Haven't heard of a similar step being taken by other states, or the Feds...

tripleblack