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Old 08-17-2010 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by krenogin
Well I mean if someone pointed a 22 to me I'd attempt something, but if they had something larger, id think twice.
Sounds to me like you need to learn how to think once first.
 
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Old 08-18-2010 | 06:32 PM
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If I could only have one pistol it would be the Glock 19. Glocks are arguably the most reliable pistol ever made. 9mm will work fine as a defensive round as lang as you use a JHP. Glocks are VERY easy to clean and maintain. Glocks will feed ANY ammo you can find. The G19 is relatively high capacity which is nice at the range and in case you get into any zombie shootouts. The G19 is compact enough to carry in the event that you get your CCW liscense. Glocks have no manual safety to worry about in a defensive situation. Did I mention that Glocks are reliable? Glocks are dao so you don't have to get used to two different trigger pulls on the same pistol.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13711

Glocks have no downside except they aren't a very sexy pistol.

A few that I don't have personal experience with but would also make good choices would be:
Smith &Wesson M&P http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/57858

Springfield Armory XD http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/57858
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by whitestang04
Glocks will feed ANY ammo you can find.
That's not totally correct and the thinking of that has led to some injuries. Let me clarify:

Glocks and H&K pistols use "polygonal" rifling. It looks like someone dragged a hex nut through the barrel and twizzler'd it instead of traditional cut type rifling. It's lower friction and doesn't deform the bullet the same way as traditional rifling BUT because of the type of rifling, the barrels will build up metal deposits from soft jacketed (read plated) and unjacketed ammo. After a short time that will cause pressures to build up and the gun will go kaboom. I have seen this in person but was smart enough never to do it.

For a long happy life never use the following in a Glock or HK pistol without an aftermarket barrel: reloads, copper plated, copper "clad" (another way to say plated), unjacketed lead, coated bullets.

on coated bullets: I have seen signs of case overpressure and headspacing issues on my G21C after a few hundred rounds of Black Talons and newer rounds that use Winchester's Lubalox (teflon) coating. It appears that some of the coating would shave at the end of the chamber and it was building up. Took a few minutes with a brush to clean that out. That problem only happened with the factory glock barrel. With Lone Wolf barrels with traditional rifling it was not an issue.

Glocks are otherwise a truly fine combat pistol.
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 08:31 AM
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So The Federal Champion ammo I use is bad because it is copper plated lead? And my Cor-bon JHP's are bad too because they are copper coated lead?

I thought all bullets were either bare lead or copper coated or coated with something else over the lead.
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 08:40 AM
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you need to understand the difference between "jacketed" and coated and plated. A jacket is a thick slab of copper they either swage or pour the lead into. It's reasonably thick and fairly hard. A plating or coating job is as thin as tissue paper and soft because of how the copper is applied.

Cor-Bon uses JACKETED bullets, so does everything in specific purpose built personal defense ammo. Usually you'll see "American Ammunition" in clear plastic blister packs that's plated but says jacketed and a host of stuff from other makers. Simply, use high quality new ammo. Don't cheap out or you get to pay the piper.
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
That's not totally correct and the thinking of that has led to some injuries. Let me clarify:

Glocks and H&K pistols use "polygonal" rifling. It looks like someone dragged a hex nut through the barrel and twizzler'd it instead of traditional cut type rifling. It's lower friction and doesn't deform the bullet the same way as traditional rifling BUT because of the type of rifling, the barrels will build up metal deposits from soft jacketed (read plated) and unjacketed ammo. After a short time that will cause pressures to build up and the gun will go kaboom. I have seen this in person but was smart enough never to do it.

For a long happy life never use the following in a Glock or HK pistol without an aftermarket barrel: reloads, copper plated, copper "clad" (another way to say plated), unjacketed lead, coated bullets.

on coated bullets: I have seen signs of case overpressure and headspacing issues on my G21C after a few hundred rounds of Black Talons and newer rounds that use Winchester's Lubalox (teflon) coating. It appears that some of the coating would shave at the end of the chamber and it was building up. Took a few minutes with a brush to clean that out. That problem only happened with the factory glock barrel. With Lone Wolf barrels with traditional rifling it was not an issue.

Glocks are otherwise a truly fine combat pistol.
Excellent point Red and thank you for correcting me.

What I meant to say is they will feed any FMJ ammo. Many auto pistols are picky on the ammo you feed them whereas Glocks rarely have any problems feeding all types of FMJ and JHP. If you whanted to shoot cheap cast lead ammo you can always swap out the barrel for one with traditional rifling for a little over $100, I don't think that is something you need to be worried about since you can get 50 round boxes of Federal 9mm for $10 at Wally World.
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 11:10 AM
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W00t to that. I figured I had to ping about the rifling issue before someone got themselves hurt without knowing all the details.

And for the record, glocks will in fact feed pretty much anything short of an empty case. Watch for low power loads though... some glocks, especially .357sig models won't cycle it, they're built for full power loads.
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 06:25 PM
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well after lots of thought I have decided to wait a few months to by a gun so I can truley figure out what I want. So i'm going to go with buying cobra brakes for the mustang instead and then in about 2 months find me something after im a little more educated on them.
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mustangV6_04
well after lots of thought I have decided to wait a few months to by a gun so I can truley figure out what I want. So i'm going to go with buying cobra brakes for the mustang instead and then in about 2 months find me something after im a little more educated on them.
That's probably the best way to go. Try as many as you are able to before you get one. I just want to warn you that guns as a hobby can be just as addicting if not more so than cars. Your first gun purchase will likely lead to many more
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 07:21 PM
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+1 to that. I got a Ruger MKIII bull barrel coming in a few days. And I just got the G26 a month ago.
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 07:26 PM
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quit talking guns you dicks your gonna make me change my mind lol
 
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Old 08-19-2010 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zigzagg321
+1 to that. I got a Ruger MKIII bull barrel coming in a few days. And I just got the G26 a month ago.
Ruger MKIII is a great gun. I wouln't mind haveing one for myself.
 
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Old 08-20-2010 | 07:53 AM
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MK4BL I love it. Very easy to suppress.
 
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Old 08-26-2010 | 04:07 PM
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Well I bought a Taurus 24/7 9mm. Just unloaded 150 rounds through it and it's a great gun. Will post up pics later.
 
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Old 08-26-2010 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mustangV6_04
Well I bought a Taurus 24/7 9mm. Just unloaded 150 rounds through it and it's a great gun. Will post up pics later.
You definately bought the right caliber
Get some good JHP if you plan to use it for defense.
I hope you have better luck with your taurus than I had with mine.
 
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Old 08-27-2010 | 08:03 AM
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cor-bon 90gr make great little defense rounds in a 9mm. Or Glaser/MagSafe/BeeSafe frangibles. Those are incredible stoppers. Helps make up for the 9mm tendency to over penetrate and under expand.
 
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Old 08-27-2010 | 10:31 AM
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I'll put pics up tonight when i get home. It's fun as hell when you have your own gun. The gf loves it too so thats a good thing. It was her first time shooting ever so she was nervous at first but got the hang of things. I got some remington JHPs in it now under my bed ready to go . Can't wait to go again. So far very happy with it.
 
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Old 08-27-2010 | 02:43 PM
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end of discussion
 
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Old 08-27-2010 | 03:23 PM
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end of discussion
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Old 08-31-2010 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by krenogin
Well I mean if someone pointed a 22 to me I'd attempt something, but if they had something larger, id think twice.
I second what Zig said. A bullet is a bullet. In the academy we watched a video of a traffic stop where I guy shot a cop with a palm sized derringer .22. Cop returns fire striking the guy 5 times with a .357. Cop dies. Suspect lives and is still in prison.

I own two Glocks. Model 22 .40 and model 27 .40 (smaller). Both are smooth and consistant. Ive shot plenty of rounds through a SigSaur P220 .45. NOT suggested for a first time shooter IMO. The surgeon that has now operated on my busted *** ankle twice started his own company years back. They manufacture palm sized 9mm and according to him, soon to come palm sized .45. (I told him he had some work to do on that one) They are small and can conceal them almost anywhere. Site is as follows :
http://rohrbaughfirearms.com/products
 
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