Gun Gurus get in here!! Need help!
 

Well within the next month or so I want to buy my first gun and want everyones opinon on whats a good beginner handgun. I want something cheap and good. I know those dont go hand in hand together but so far these are what I found. I'm leaning to a 40 cal.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/47923
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/19800

I'm not much of a gun guru, but if you want something fun to shoot then I'd get a .40

9mm are good too. Fun to shoot if you go to a pistol range often.

I'm a rifle person myself, but i understand those can't be used in most places. Out here we just live in a "dead-zone" lol.

Only problem with a .40 would be the cost of rounds, definitely not the most expensive but its pretty expensive to get around here.

I personally would go .45. Prices arent too bad for ammunition. Good sized bullet, and if im not mistaken its what police carry. But I havent checked the prices of .45 handguns in awhile, so that may get you.

i like the pt 840

Glock. Used to hate them, now I love them. You want ultimate reliability... AKA Glock.

I'm leaning to the Pt 840....what does ammo go for?

Are you buying a gun for concealed carry or just for range time and home defense?

Range time and home defense. Maybe down the road get concealed for shits and giggles.

This also brings up another debate. Cobra brakes vs. Gun. I'm leaning towards gun.

If you're a noob why are you running to a semi-auto? I would highly recommend you learn trigger control and sight picture with a revolver, especially one that's flexible like a .38/.357mag. Besides, you don't have to rack the slide on a wheelgun if you get a failure to fire, you just pull the trigger again. In revolvers, Ruger GP100, S&W 686, and Taurus Tracker all shine. The ruger is extremely strong. The smith is really silky, the taurus is feature rich and light.

Get a semi-auto when you know why you want one.

Now if you're actually already there and you're more experienced than I'm going to give you credit for right now, then Glock and S&W99/Walther P99 are pretty impressive guns. However they're not cheap and they're not going to do anything that a Ruger P944 won't do for 2/3 the price. .40 is a good caliber but you could consider 9mm as well since there are more guns and ammo is cheaper and easier to find normally. We won't even get into the retarded debate over 9mm vs. .40. Bullets well delivered are bullets well delivered.

If I were to equip a private army (especially a conscript army) then I'd choose ruger pistols. They're beyond tough and pretty easy to deal with as far as maintaining.

EDIT: BTW, either of those Taurus semi-auto's would be a great choice. I prefer the 24/7 since it's striker fired and less snag prone.

I have shot quite a few handguns but I have never owned one. I have shot my friends .38 numerous times idk remember what kind but his dad gave it to him for free so I always used it and he used his 9mm s&w but idk what model it was but it just felt cheap and uncomfortable. A coworker has a Taurus millinea pro .45 and I like it a lot but prefer a medium to large frame. But I am a newb to everything like cleaning and maintenance, cost of ammo. All I know is how to basically reload lol I'm just basically looking to get into a hobby with a few friends to make trips to the range more often with out using someone elses gun.

You can learn to field strip any semi-auto. Dont worry about that part. Cleaning is easy as well on most. Get a gun you like...and feel like you can shoot well. 9mm sounds like the best option for what you want to do with the gun.

I think you should go with a 9mm, they have less recoil than a .40 in most cases and ammo is a lot cheaper. If you don't have much experience disassembling and cleaning a gun you can always ask the supplier, or look it up on youtube.

If you want a good all around gun find a .357 magnum that you like.

Wheel guns are great for home defense.

If it's loaded you point and shoot and the bad guys get new holes (large ones)

.357 magnum ammo is a reasonable price but a .357 will shoot .38 ammo which is cheap

You can always find an indoor shooting range or something that rents guns so you can go in a try a few out to see what you are comfortable with. The one around here only charges like $20 for the gun rental and not much more for lane time. You do have to buy the ammo, but that's no big deal.

K, you don't get to start with a semi-auto. You should really train up and learn the fundamentals with a wheelgun. If you've got a hardon for a semi-auto then decide on a price point: 450, 550, 650, MORE. There are certain guns that are available in each price group (new) and certain ones that are available in lower price groups used that are good and some that are not good used guns. .45acp is expensive to shoot.

Grab the .357mag, load it with .38special at the range for target practice and 125gr .357mag defense ammo for social engineering. Make sure you practice occasionally with your defense ammo. It will shoot differently than the target stuff.

Yeah, agreed. If you're stuck on a semi-auto, go 9mm. It's cheaper to shoot, low recoil, low blast, easily available and kills bad guys dead.

Read the comments on youtube posts on the subject. Many people do some stupid shit that could get you killed. The first 2-3 comments usually reveal such stupidity and then you can move on to a video that doesn't do those things.

See. Cheap, easy, efficient, capable and I'm not the only one that thinks this is a good plan for your specific case. Given the points addressed I'd bet Lazerred is an experienced shooter or is very close to someone who is.

Some of the best advice yet. Call around to your local indoor ranges, see if they rent pistols. Nothing tells you if you like a gun or not like trying one out. Note that most indoor ranges replace trigger group components to increase the effort required to pull the trigger which is shit for helping accuracy but helps keep n00bs from shooting themselves in the feet. A retail gun is not going to be so rough.

If this gun is going to be mainly for home defence and possible concealed carry down the road I suggest a .357 with a 2" barrel it's not going to have the same power as a longer barrel but in a home defence situation a 2" barrel is more manuverable and any shot you take will be within 10 or so feet of your target and a snub .357 with a hollow point to center mass will end anybody at that range.

In a concealed carry situation the time it takes to draw a longer barrel gun is significantly longer than it takes to draw a snub nose not to mention they are small enough that you could hide one just about anywhere and the range you would be using it at would be similar to a home defence situation.

At the range it's always more impressive to see a guy group his shots tight with a shorter barrel than a longer barrel and if you can get to be accurate with one you can be accurate with almost anything.

thanks red. I'll be making a trip to my range and store this weekend and see what happens.

Good man.

On the barrel length... I prefer a 4" .357 but that's me. Less muzzle blast.

Point of interest:

In a defence situation guns with safteys get inexperienced people killed. They pull the gun point and pull the trigger rapid fire and nothing happens. At this point the assailent fires or takes the gun by force..... game over

Ain't that the truth. This is why I like glocks for carry guns. No safety but the trigger.

I like the 2" cause drawing and aiming it takes about the same amount of time as pulling your hand out of your pocket. So if a defense situation arises and the "bad guys" attention shifts for any reason my gun is now screwed onto their torso.

Thats why Glock gets a FTMFW from me.

If you have lots to spend and want a gun that is about as intimidating as a tank I suggest a .44 mag


Caution: this gun may give you a sense of invincibility that is not actually real.......
..... the sense it gives that you could kill just about anything on the planet is totally normal and realistic. This gun will in fact murder almost anything.
http://www.taurusfrance.com/products...urus/44ss8.jpg

Lol a bit over kill isn't it ha. I'm on a 450ish and less budget.

thats used Glock territory.

.44mag is a hunting gun. Not suitable for personal defense. From experience, it doesn't matter what caliber you point at someone, the same message is delivered regardless. The aggressor will either stop or be stopped. They understand that as well from a .22lr as from a .44mag.

+1000 they are just so sexy looking though

Well I mean if someone pointed a 22 to me I'd attempt something, but if they had something larger, id think twice.

I have seen a real 50 cal DE before it was CRAZY huge and solid chrome.

But I agree with red, get a revolver in .357 size,, i used to have a peacekeeper, but I got rid of it.

attempt something... attempting running would be a helluva start hehehe