yes.
#10
zombie apocalypse or target practice, whichever comes first. they are 9mm.
#11
I have always felt that the 9mm is very underrated when it comes to zombies. People tend to favor shotguns for their close range power. however the average 9mm has decent ammo capacity and the accuracy (with a good marksman) results in almost no wasted rounds.
#12
whoa, 9 mill? the picture was awesome untill i found out they were 9 mil. now, it's cool. serious downgrade. i don't like 9 mill that much, cause it has no punch. it's a pussyround. i would use 9 mil in a sub-machine gun or something, but a 9 mill handgun is a wet noodle.
i've been around 9 mill for 6 years. they sucked before, they suck now, they will always suck. but hey, that is a lot of ammo. what gun are those rounds going into?
i've been around 9 mill for 6 years. they sucked before, they suck now, they will always suck. but hey, that is a lot of ammo. what gun are those rounds going into?
#14
whoa, 9 mill? the picture was awesome untill i found out they were 9 mil. now, it's cool. serious downgrade. i don't like 9 mill that much, cause it has no punch. it's a pussyround. i would use 9 mil in a sub-machine gun or something, but a 9 mill handgun is a wet noodle.
i've been around 9 mill for 6 years. they sucked before, they suck now, they will always suck. but hey, that is a lot of ammo. what gun are those rounds going into?
i've been around 9 mill for 6 years. they sucked before, they suck now, they will always suck. but hey, that is a lot of ammo. what gun are those rounds going into?
Last edited by whitestang04; 08-09-2010 at 12:19 PM.
#15
whitestang: Yep, got a Comp tac MTAC IWB.
#16
Hate to say it, but i gotta agree. You get shot with just about any caliber round besides a .22 your most likely gunna lose. However if someone pulls a .38 just stand still, theyll never hit you. (My old mans .38 special is so unbelievable un-accurate.
#17
You sir are an idiot...lol. Every gun is more accurate than the person shooting it. But thanks for agreeing with me.
#21
whoa, 9 mill? the picture was awesome untill i found out they were 9 mil. now, it's cool. serious downgrade. i don't like 9 mill that much, cause it has no punch. it's a pussyround. i would use 9 mil in a sub-machine gun or something, but a 9 mill handgun is a wet noodle.
#22
How many of you have actually been shot? I have. Twice. .22lr and .38sp.
The .22 hit me in the front of my left calf and came to rest pressing against the skin on the back. It felt like I was on fire on the inside and like someone had just hit me as hard as they could with a ball peen hammer.
The .38special impacted a steel plate 6" in front of me, cleved itself in half against the top edge and the piece that went over the top just grazed my right hip. It took out a small hunk of meat and chipped the crest of my pelvic bone. Felt like someone hit me with a burning sledge hammer, and that was just a grazing hit.
As probably the only person here who's taken a bullet (much less two), I can tell you the 9mm is a wuss. So is a .45acp and a .40s&w and a .357sig and a 10mm and anything else you could reasonably shoot from an auto pistol (with the exception of say a Desert Eagle or LAR Grizzly or a Wildey). They all hurt REALLY bad and they all kill people but they're all PISTOL ammo. They're designed to be a last line of defense. Nothing more. If you want a properly lethal round that stops crooks dead in their tracks, 12ga or any high powered rifle (.223, .308, 7.62x39, .444marlin, .300win).
Now also as the only person who's likely taken a bullet, I can also say that in the face of retaliation from a 9mm I'd back the **** away and quit doing what I was doing. It may suck as a battlefield round but it does fine work at poking holes in bad guys.
The .22 hit me in the front of my left calf and came to rest pressing against the skin on the back. It felt like I was on fire on the inside and like someone had just hit me as hard as they could with a ball peen hammer.
The .38special impacted a steel plate 6" in front of me, cleved itself in half against the top edge and the piece that went over the top just grazed my right hip. It took out a small hunk of meat and chipped the crest of my pelvic bone. Felt like someone hit me with a burning sledge hammer, and that was just a grazing hit.
As probably the only person here who's taken a bullet (much less two), I can tell you the 9mm is a wuss. So is a .45acp and a .40s&w and a .357sig and a 10mm and anything else you could reasonably shoot from an auto pistol (with the exception of say a Desert Eagle or LAR Grizzly or a Wildey). They all hurt REALLY bad and they all kill people but they're all PISTOL ammo. They're designed to be a last line of defense. Nothing more. If you want a properly lethal round that stops crooks dead in their tracks, 12ga or any high powered rifle (.223, .308, 7.62x39, .444marlin, .300win).
Now also as the only person who's likely taken a bullet, I can also say that in the face of retaliation from a 9mm I'd back the **** away and quit doing what I was doing. It may suck as a battlefield round but it does fine work at poking holes in bad guys.
#25
How many of you have actually been shot? I have. Twice. .22lr and .38sp.
The .22 hit me in the front of my left calf and came to rest pressing against the skin on the back. It felt like I was on fire on the inside and like someone had just hit me as hard as they could with a ball peen hammer.
The .38special impacted a steel plate 6" in front of me, cleved itself in half against the top edge and the piece that went over the top just grazed my right hip. It took out a small hunk of meat and chipped the crest of my pelvic bone. Felt like someone hit me with a burning sledge hammer, and that was just a grazing hit.
As probably the only person here who's taken a bullet (much less two), I can tell you the 9mm is a wuss. So is a .45acp and a .40s&w and a .357sig and a 10mm and anything else you could reasonably shoot from an auto pistol (with the exception of say a Desert Eagle or LAR Grizzly or a Wildey). They all hurt REALLY bad and they all kill people but they're all PISTOL ammo. They're designed to be a last line of defense. Nothing more. If you want a properly lethal round that stops crooks dead in their tracks, 12ga or any high powered rifle (.223, .308, 7.62x39, .444marlin, .300win).
Now also as the only person who's likely taken a bullet, I can also say that in the face of retaliation from a 9mm I'd back the **** away and quit doing what I was doing. It may suck as a battlefield round but it does fine work at poking holes in bad guys.
The .22 hit me in the front of my left calf and came to rest pressing against the skin on the back. It felt like I was on fire on the inside and like someone had just hit me as hard as they could with a ball peen hammer.
The .38special impacted a steel plate 6" in front of me, cleved itself in half against the top edge and the piece that went over the top just grazed my right hip. It took out a small hunk of meat and chipped the crest of my pelvic bone. Felt like someone hit me with a burning sledge hammer, and that was just a grazing hit.
As probably the only person here who's taken a bullet (much less two), I can tell you the 9mm is a wuss. So is a .45acp and a .40s&w and a .357sig and a 10mm and anything else you could reasonably shoot from an auto pistol (with the exception of say a Desert Eagle or LAR Grizzly or a Wildey). They all hurt REALLY bad and they all kill people but they're all PISTOL ammo. They're designed to be a last line of defense. Nothing more. If you want a properly lethal round that stops crooks dead in their tracks, 12ga or any high powered rifle (.223, .308, 7.62x39, .444marlin, .300win).
Now also as the only person who's likely taken a bullet, I can also say that in the face of retaliation from a 9mm I'd back the **** away and quit doing what I was doing. It may suck as a battlefield round but it does fine work at poking holes in bad guys.
Last edited by 99MustangGT; 08-10-2010 at 07:26 AM.
#26
On the streets you'd want the .45 (because they don't make a .46). Anyone who has been properly trained knows that you shoot till the threat has stopped being a threat and you use as big a gun as you can reliably shoot accurately. You shoot as few shots as are necessary to deal with the threat and save the rest for the next target. You don't go out with something small because you think you can hose the bad guy with fast accurate fire before he gets a "2nd" shot off. You CAN'T. In a gunfight most shooting is done without any sort of sight picture so toss that accurate aimed volume of 9mm fire right out the ****** window and get realistic. You MIGHT MAYBE get 1 shot of aimed fire before the situation degrades into a melee of cover seeking and gunfire. After that you're at the mercy of your skills and training.
2nd, any idiot who's been properly trained with their .45 can shoot it just as fast and accurately as they can a 9mm. Silly boy. Go take a class.
And there is no "reasoning" to being in a gunfight. There are tactics, strategies and dying. Not much room for reason or logic as those are based on deeper thought than simple crisis survival.
If you don't know ****, don't say ****.
Valid reasons for using a 9mm over a .45 include proficiency, cost, recoil, concealment, ammunition availability, weapon size, weight. Valid reasons do not include spraying bullets around the landscape hoping for a lucky if not random incapacitating hit on an attacker.
I carry whatever is appropriate to the occasion. Sometimes that's a .32auto. Sometimes it's a 10mm auto. Sometimes it's a .44mag. More often than not, it's a .45acp or a .357mag.
Last edited by r3dn3ck; 08-10-2010 at 07:30 AM.
#28
If the world was coming to an end, and there was one person from this board that I would take shelter with, it would be r3d. Don't assume you know anything about him or his vast knowledge on guns.
#29
BTW, a .223 is a VERY effective stopper. That's why the military converted to it. Lower recoil, lighter ammo, inexpensive components and MASSIVE trauma and huge wounds due to the hydrostatic forces as well as high velocity bullet yaw and subsequent fragmentation. A much cheaper round that caused very lethal wounds over a modest range and which was capable of becoming more devastating as a CQB round.
You don't have to take my word for it. The FBI, DOD, DOI, LAPD, SFPD, and a million other agencies have all run independent reviews and studies of cartridge effectiveness and all have found the .223 to be particularly lethal. Hell even the Soviets converted to a similar round because of how lethal it was (ever hear of 5.45x39?).
You can impune my argument all you want, but calling people (especially me) names gets you banned. Have a fun 3 day break bud.
Last edited by r3dn3ck; 08-10-2010 at 08:21 AM.