I want to see what you all have to say about this. I know its a big topic and to be honest I am very surprised it looks to be passed.

I could care less if homosexuals want to get married. It does not change a thing in my life at all and I have gay friends and I see no problem with it. I mean really what is the big deal with gay marriage how does it change any ones life who is not gay? I do not get it.

Lets try also to not let this get to out of hand cause it has the possibility to do that as we all know. Lets have a real discussion for once lol.

 

Most of the ill feelings associated with gay marriage stem from religious beliefs it seems. The bible basically says its wrong... if one believes in that kinda mumbo jumbo, then I guess its wrong in a "bigger" sense to them.

I think marriage all together is a waste anyhow. ppl dont need a ceremony and a priest(or whatever) to validate or confirm the relationship. I think ppl can be just as commited to each othe married or not. I wouldnt care if they made ALL marriage ilegal..lol.

 

I'm a Christian, and I say it's fine for gays to get married. I don't care. If I am going to vote against a bill because of my personal beliefs stemming from a religion, isn't that the same as shoving a bible down some peoples throats? My religion is my own, I'm not going to force it on someone.

 

If I could have voted on it... See sig.

 

Doesn't effect my life so they can do whatever they want

 

if you aren't homosexual, i don't see how it can affect you other than your own personal beliefs. But, it's your opinion, not a fact of whether or not it is necessary or a fact that it will disturb everyday life.

For homosexuals, I think it is great because it gives them the right to make a lot of the same choices that heterosexual couples have. such as the decision to keep someone on life support, what to do with you after you die etc. Everyone needs someone to care about and to be cared by in their life. So, right on, more power to them lol.

 

In my opinion it's a topic that falls under the category of a slippery slope if you allow gay marrige how long is it before people are saying well I can only be happy if I can marry a 13 year old once you redefine marrige what would stop it from being redefined again maybe someone wants to marry a dog or a cow some people are just weird.

same goes for anything involving euthinasia if people can choose to kill themselves based on a disease that will probably kill them how long till some one else is making the decision like family or the government. What if it would become allowed for anyone that wanted it or if the government decided to get rid of crippled people or people with birth defects or people that were downs syndrome.

Right now that all seems crazy but who knows what will happen in 50 years that why in my opinion you don't fix what isn't broken

 

Um, how do you compare letting homosexuals getting married to letting someone marry someone who is 13? I mean do you really think that will happen come on.

 

it could happen you never know


never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

 

Well you can make the same argument that since marriage between a man and woman is fine, why can't a 30 year old man marry a 13 year girl. The marriage would be between a man and woman, right. Two men or two women getting married has no affect on anyone but themselves. Just because someone believes in the bible doesn't mean everyone else does. If there is no direct impact on your life then it shouldn't be any damn concern to you.

 

It's not my concern but when I have kids it's somthing that I don't feel like explaining to them plus the divorce rate of gay couples is around 80% (a divorce lawyer I know is ok with gay marriage for that reason)

it's not a big concern of mine but I can vote against it for any reason I please

maybe I'm a gay basher maybe I'm a homophobe (probably not cause one of my best friends is gay) it really doesn't matter

 

I posted these comments on the "President Obama" thread.

In my opinion I don't care if gay people want to get married. Prop 8 wasn't asking for special rights, just equal rights. So how is their argument any different than interracial marriage being illegal back in some states until the late 60's, or black people not being able to vote, or women not being able to vote? People that were for Prop 8 are essentially saying all man isn't created equal and we should only allow certain people full rights as a citizen of this country.

Trust me, I don't want to see two dudes kissing or anything like that (can't say the same for two hot chicks), but to me it's not about what they do behind close doors, it's about equal rights. The bible thumpers scared the jesus into people on Prop 8. There was funding pooring in from all over the country for Prop 8 cause people know that once Cali does it the rest of the country will try to follow. I'm sure it will be on the ballot next year

 

I think my biggest fear is how will it affect our children? How do we teach them what marriage really is? Do we teach them the differance between gay/straight/bi while they are still in grade school? Basically this leads into a whole other set of questions like do we teach children about sex in the 1st grade so that they can understand the definition of what marriage would be? Put yourself in a childs perspective, "Why do I have a mommy and a daddy, but Sally has a daddy and a daddy and what about billy who has two mommies???" Then you also have all of the bias issues with pro gay teachers, etc...

It just seems like such a huge issue in my mind and I just can't justify it. Give gays equal rights to joint health care, tax breaks, etc.. But in my mind Marriage is just out of bounds.

 

It wasn't on my ballot any way I voted on medicinal mary jane and and stem cell reasearch

 

When a nation let's this happen, it falls sooner or later, think about it, can two men or two women reproduce, no!. thats why god made Adam & Eve. Not Adam & Steve. Look what happen to "SODOM & GAMORA" HELLO. Nuff said.

 

what if people don't believe in the bible then your point is gone

 

You know I can understand what you're saying, but at the same time, kids are going to find out about it sooner or later. What about when your son or daughter groes up and realizes that they don't find the opposite sex attractive? You teach marriage as being between two people. The bible says marriage is between man and woman, but I don't follow the bible, so why should I follow that marriage is only between man and woman. Would you rather see a child grow up with a loving family and having two mommies or two daddies or be in some third world country starving or have a crack head for a mom? If it came down to those choices, I would proudly say I have two moms.

I respect everyone's opinion and you can't change anyone, but I figure if it doesn't really impact your life then it shouldn't be a problem.

 

I have no idea how to answer the questions in your first paragraph....they are all legit questions, and I don't have any clue how I'm going to explain it to my kids because eventually they will see it.

Do they even teach about marriage in schools these days? If so they are failing big time based on the divorce rate. ha ha ha

 

At least they can adopt a child who is starving and needs a good home. Show me proof that GOD exists and created Adam and Eve. Maybe there was a Steve and Eve killed him to hide a major conspiracy. hahaha

 

Yep. I am one of those people.

I proudly voted 'no' on that ****. I don't think anyone, much less politicians have any right to tell anyone else what to do with their lifes, loves, and happiness. Even though I'm not gay, this issue is still a big deal to me. The amendment is vague and could possibly have stipulations for couples that aren't married, heterosexual and homosexual.

 

I dont know about all this bible stuff and god stuff. All i know is, "I PRAY THERE IS HEAVEN AND I PRAY THERE AIN'T NO HELL"

 

The argument about "how will I tell my children?" you don't think they will find out homosexuals are out there and having sex etc... We all find out at some point its not like letting them getting married will change any of that. So that point makes no sense to me.

I also don't believe the whole bible deal either. I think there is something out there, but none of us have any idea of what it is or what will happen when we die. Regardless if god created all of us why would he hate homosexuals?

 

isn't the word marriage a biblical term? So it would be against the bible for gays to marry. So maybe we should drop the bibilcal term all together and call it "civil unions" and give everyone the same rights.

 

I think you severely underestimate childrens ability to accept things and not be bothered by them

I agree though, about them having the rights, but "Marridge" is very much something that stems back in religious beliefs, and most of those beliefs are very clear that marrige happens between a man and a woman, not a man and a man, or a woman and a man.

just like vaginal sex requires a woman, so should marrige. and a dude too. for the woman that is. lol


As for gay couples rights, i think they should have the ability to have the same rights deemed in marridge. If Bruce is incapacitated in the hospital, has no family other than Lance (lol), i think, Lance should have the say in the situation as to the course of action, just like a husband or wife would.

there are so many things about marridge when it comes to legaal situations that really deem each person a say over the opther persons life or finances in case of death, injury, etc, that a boyfriend or girlfriend would have no legal standing.

i fully support gay people to have equal rights when it comes to matters involving the couple. but involve a potential kid, that is a whole nother matter.

But i gotta say, im a little bit skeptical to think that a child is as well off with a Dad/Dad or Mom/Mom situatiion as they would be with a Mom/Dad situation.

The mother / father dynamic is a very good one, it covers all the different nururing needs required by the child. The strength of the father, the comfort of the mother, the security and needs are all intact (for the most part in most familys)... Buit how well could two men ever manage to provide the nurturing biologically programmed in women, but is not programmed in themselves?

I say yes, gay gay, fine, they should be able to have the same legal rights over eachother as married folk.

but i dont think adoting children is a good idea, because while other children dont care that little joey has 2 dads and no mom, little joey is not getting what he needs as far as developmental nurturing.

jm2c

 

I hear what you're saying and understand the dynamic between a mother and father. But what about the kids who grow up with a single mother or single father? They are missing that other end of that dynamic. Or what if a some crack head who can't even take care of herself get pregnant? Will the kid grow up to have a better life living with her or say with two moms who have good jobs and can provide food, shelter, and love to the child.

 

Well, in the cases wghere one parent dies, pretty much "**** happens" but people really are meant to be raised by a man and a woman. Good thing is people are stong enough to handle such deficiences in thier development if needed and still be able to function relativly well in a normal society, however, it is definatlyu not ideal.

as for the crackhead thing, yeah they would definatly be better off with a M&M or D&D situation than having abusive parents or parents who are addicts.

I also think kids are better off with M&M and D&D than orphanages or whatnot as well.

Applying for adoption services for an MM or DD situation i think the preference should be given to the M&D arrangement whenever possible, or even a single parent arrangement with the potential of a more nuclear family in the future is prefferable. But sometimes a good M&D arrangement is not available and if nothing else having 2 moms or 2 dads is still better than the alternative of having nothing at all.

I dont think that a MM/DD situation is unfit, but i dont think it is prefferable, and i think it is somewhat selfish of a gay couple to go out of thier way to put a child in a situation where they will have same sex parents because the nurturing each parent has is biologically embedded in them and i dont think can really be learned. So they will have an abundance of one type of developmental fullfillment and a lack or distorted version of the other part they need.

 

lol @ the slippery slope fallacy.

and Marriage is no longer solely a religious institution, therefor religious "rules" should not apply. IMO.

 

Gays and lesbians should have the same rights to be either happily married or miserable.