Friend sent me this link Sounds iffy to me?!?
#5
02-25-2008 | 02:55 PM
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Joined: Nov 2005
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From: Magrathea/California
if it only sounds "iffy" go ahead and start hitting yourself in the head with a tack hammer now and we'll tell you when to stop.
Are you guys going to make me seriously sit here and tell you why anyone that thinks a 9v battery and a quart of water is going to double your gas mileage is a MORON and should KILL THEMSELVES for the sake of humanity.
Look, I don't want to have to detail all this crap out so suffice it to say that it takes megalithic amounts of electricity to break the electron bond of water and split it into hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen fuel cell cars do the inverse by mixing hydrogen and oxygen you get water and fantastic amounts of by-product electricity. You may produce energy in only 1 direction using h2o, the other direction is energy eating not producing.
Secondly, at atmospheric pressure gas state hydrogen and oxygen would be so diffuse in the mixture that your engine would stall if it were dependent on the augmented fuel supply for stoichiometric operation. Saying a mason jar full of water is full of 1800 cubic feet of hydrogen is retarded in the extreme... I can vaporize a quart of gasoline and make it as big as you want. The fact is you're talking about states of matter with their associated densities and gasses and liquids are only separated by temperature and pressure. If you separated and then pressurized the hydrogen from a quart of water so that it was at the same density as water at 1bar and 35deg you'd probably get just a few mouthfulls of liquid hydrogen. Not the gazillions of cubic meters you're reading.
Simply attempting to augment an energy dense complex fuel like gasoline with an energy un-dense reagent like hydrogen is not going to have much benefit until the delivery of h2 becomes ummmm... impressive to say the least.
Watering down your gas though will stretch your mileage and damage your engine and risk destroying it entirely. Remember, water is a FUEL CONTAMINANT and nothing else in a gas engine.
Finally, Ford just recently made a v10 6.8L supercharged hydrogen engine as some sort of proof of concept. It makes 18-21lbs of boost from a roots blower and nets 238hp. Yep.. **** ant 238hp from 20lbs of boost and hydrogen in a 6.8L v10. Does anyone else see how energy diffuse hydrogen is and how big a bitch it is to make good power with it?
Any of you that think hydrogen is a next gen fuel worth bothering with... probably a good idea to pick a new horse. The fact is that petrol fuels have at least 7-8 open electron bonding slots per molecule because it's chains of carbons with hydrogens hanging off waiting for an oxygen atom to bring stability to the bonds, hydrogen has 1 open slot per atom and bonds very easily and semi-permanently to oxygen. That means you get about 8x the power from bonding 1 molecule of gasoline as you would with hydrogen.
It has in fact been 20 years since chemistry so the amounts may be off a bit but the gist should be dead on. Hydrogen = noh bwaynoh. Water as gas = re-fukin-tarded
Are you guys going to make me seriously sit here and tell you why anyone that thinks a 9v battery and a quart of water is going to double your gas mileage is a MORON and should KILL THEMSELVES for the sake of humanity.
Look, I don't want to have to detail all this crap out so suffice it to say that it takes megalithic amounts of electricity to break the electron bond of water and split it into hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen fuel cell cars do the inverse by mixing hydrogen and oxygen you get water and fantastic amounts of by-product electricity. You may produce energy in only 1 direction using h2o, the other direction is energy eating not producing.
Secondly, at atmospheric pressure gas state hydrogen and oxygen would be so diffuse in the mixture that your engine would stall if it were dependent on the augmented fuel supply for stoichiometric operation. Saying a mason jar full of water is full of 1800 cubic feet of hydrogen is retarded in the extreme... I can vaporize a quart of gasoline and make it as big as you want. The fact is you're talking about states of matter with their associated densities and gasses and liquids are only separated by temperature and pressure. If you separated and then pressurized the hydrogen from a quart of water so that it was at the same density as water at 1bar and 35deg you'd probably get just a few mouthfulls of liquid hydrogen. Not the gazillions of cubic meters you're reading.
Simply attempting to augment an energy dense complex fuel like gasoline with an energy un-dense reagent like hydrogen is not going to have much benefit until the delivery of h2 becomes ummmm... impressive to say the least.
Watering down your gas though will stretch your mileage and damage your engine and risk destroying it entirely. Remember, water is a FUEL CONTAMINANT and nothing else in a gas engine.
Finally, Ford just recently made a v10 6.8L supercharged hydrogen engine as some sort of proof of concept. It makes 18-21lbs of boost from a roots blower and nets 238hp. Yep.. **** ant 238hp from 20lbs of boost and hydrogen in a 6.8L v10. Does anyone else see how energy diffuse hydrogen is and how big a bitch it is to make good power with it?
Any of you that think hydrogen is a next gen fuel worth bothering with... probably a good idea to pick a new horse. The fact is that petrol fuels have at least 7-8 open electron bonding slots per molecule because it's chains of carbons with hydrogens hanging off waiting for an oxygen atom to bring stability to the bonds, hydrogen has 1 open slot per atom and bonds very easily and semi-permanently to oxygen. That means you get about 8x the power from bonding 1 molecule of gasoline as you would with hydrogen.
It has in fact been 20 years since chemistry so the amounts may be off a bit but the gist should be dead on. Hydrogen = noh bwaynoh. Water as gas = re-fukin-tarded
#6
02-25-2008 | 02:59 PM
Hot, Nasty, Bad ass speed
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,719
From: Livermore, Ca
I also heard that you can gain around 20rwhp and a few extra miles per gallon if you add 12 oz. of chocolate syrup to your gas tank. The only thing is you have to make sure its Hersheys chocolate syrup.
true story..
true story..
#8
02-25-2008 | 03:04 PM
Wowbagger hates me too!
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 9,865
From: Magrathea/California
made me blow snot out my nose... damn that was just the right funny at just the right time.
The real thing...
#12
02-25-2008 | 03:51 PM
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,786
From: California
I'm in my early twenties and i remember loony toons
#16
02-25-2008 | 05:10 PM
Hot, Nasty, Bad ass speed
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,719
From: Livermore, Ca
haha, I do what I can. I'm just about 26 and I remember looney tunes. Use to watch it all the time.
#21
02-26-2008 | 11:09 AM
Blowns the only way!!!
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 788
looney tunes comes on all the time, check out nick jr and cartoon network. My 5yr old son watches them quite a bit.
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