Virginia Tech Shooting
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That goes into a whole other argument I could bring up about letting these f***ers over here in the first place but that is for a totally different discussion lol. I realize that not all South Koreans are homicidal and suicidal, so I'm NOT making that assertion at all, but do stand behind my belief that we a bit too liberal with our immigration (or is it emmigration?, I don't know lol) policies.
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and BTW:
The initial description of the guy was simply an asian looking guy that was a little over 6ft tall.. And obviously by the pictures of him, I don't think he was that tall.. They also said that they thought he looked older, possibly too old for college, so that's what raised eyebrows.. They actually had someone in custody (or for questioning) that they thought might have had a hand in it, but turned out to be the wrong person, obviously..
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Students are on record as saying that they didn't know about it until after the second round and that the email sent by the school didn't go out until that time. I am just going on what the interviews say. If the students say they didn't know about it, then clearly they didn't. What don't you understand? The email should have been sent immediately.
Also, even if you confine him to a dorm, with police or whatnot on the scene, I would imagine that fewer than 32 people would have died. You are right Jack that he was determined to kill. I never said that all the lives could have been saved. You just try to cut your losses.
Scott
Also, even if you confine him to a dorm, with police or whatnot on the scene, I would imagine that fewer than 32 people would have died. You are right Jack that he was determined to kill. I never said that all the lives could have been saved. You just try to cut your losses.
Scott
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Hell, that sounds like Greg@sn95, lets go round him up as well.
And what should you do with them?
ACCUSED of stalking. Buddy, last time i checked this was america and an ACCUSATION is not enough, there must be conviction. Not to mention the fact the girls obviously diddnt take the stalking thing too seriously if all they did was accuse him. Accouse him how? Go to court and drop the case? Or did they just tell all thier buddyas that he was stalking them? If they were really afraid, why not go to the police AND FOLLOW THROUGH?
My girlfriend had a stalker, we went to court, got a restraining order, then got it permanant, and compounded it with a Criminal resraining order. It was pretty simple. about 3 hours of effort spread out over the course of 3 different days. If the girls really felt THAT threatened, why did they not go all the way?
He was a Loner. He was a chinese transplant living in freaking virginia. Not to mention out of every 100 highschool kids that graduate im sure about 10-15 would be considered a loner.
The court itself did a review of him and did NOT find that he required to be institutionalized. They did NOT consider him a danger to huimself or others.
All these bullets you are added up for your arguement are completly circumstancial, there is absolutly nothing of merit there.
How many kids across america fit that description to a word?
100? 1,000? 50,000? Do you think that he is really that unique? Waqke up man, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who match that exact profile, stakler accusations, mental issues, and everything that dont ever end up physically harming a single person in thier whole lives.
Forget it though, lets round them all up! Just to be on the safe side lets deny hundreds of thousands of americans thier libertys, freedoms, and rights.
PUNSIHMENT WITHOUT TRIAL. Forget the ammendments, somone gives you the creeps? LOCK HIM AWAY!
The person to blame is the bastard who shot everyone. Just because somone is unstable does not mean that they will be a killer.
While that description might be common among killers, killers are not common among those with that description.
Hell. The courts themselves ordered a psyche eval is what yer saying?
and he passed?
Yah... they shoulda known huh
Lets blame everyone.
Or how about we drag his naked corpse though the street, nail it up on a post and let everyone throw rocks at it before we burn it.
As barbaric as that is, it makes a lot more sence.
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Students are on record as saying that they didn't know about it until after the second round and that the email sent by the school didn't go out until that time. I am just going on what the interviews say. If the students say they didn't know about it, then clearly they didn't. What don't you understand? The email should have been sent immediately.
Also, even if you confine him to a dorm, with police or whatnot on the scene, I would imagine that fewer than 32 people would have died. You are right Jack that he was determined to kill. I never said that all the lives could have been saved. You just try to cut your losses.
Scott
Also, even if you confine him to a dorm, with police or whatnot on the scene, I would imagine that fewer than 32 people would have died. You are right Jack that he was determined to kill. I never said that all the lives could have been saved. You just try to cut your losses.
Scott
Once again,Other than an EMAIL, WHAT could they have done better. I still havent heared a single idea to improve on what they did.
Why do you think he could no go through the halls, kicking down doors and killing people in thier room?
so maybe he would have only killed 14? Oh wow. That is so much better.
If they would have done that, then all the other finger pointers would have said "IT IS THE SCHOOLS FAULT FOR LOCKING HIM IN THE DORM WITH THE VICTIMS, HE CRANKED HIS STEREO AND DROWNED OUT THE SHOTS LONG ENOUGH TO KILL 14 STUDENTS"
Oh, btw, i really love arguing, and i do throw shots at people, but it really aint meant to be personal. i think part of it is my girlfriend is due for labor in 2 months and today the doctor forbids sex cause her cervical walls are shortening. So, my apologies if you take what i say too serious.
but i still think yer crazy for blaming the school
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Once again,Other than an EMAIL, WHAT could they have done better. I still havent heared a single idea to improve on what they did.
Why do you think he could no go through the halls, kicking down doors and killing people in thier room?
so maybe he would have only killed 14? Oh wow. That is so much better.
If they would have done that, then all the other finger pointers would have said "IT IS THE SCHOOLS FAULT FOR LOCKING HIM IN THE DORM WITH THE VICTIMS, HE CRANKED HIS STEREO AND DROWNED OUT THE SHOTS LONG ENOUGH TO KILL 14 STUDENTS"
Oh, btw, i really love arguing, and i do throw shots at people, but it really aint meant to be personal. i think part of it is my girlfriend is due for labor in 2 months and today the doctor forbids sex cause her cervical walls are shortening. So, my apologies if you take what i say too serious.
but i still think yer crazy for blaming the school
Why do you think he could no go through the halls, kicking down doors and killing people in thier room?
so maybe he would have only killed 14? Oh wow. That is so much better.
If they would have done that, then all the other finger pointers would have said "IT IS THE SCHOOLS FAULT FOR LOCKING HIM IN THE DORM WITH THE VICTIMS, HE CRANKED HIS STEREO AND DROWNED OUT THE SHOTS LONG ENOUGH TO KILL 14 STUDENTS"
Oh, btw, i really love arguing, and i do throw shots at people, but it really aint meant to be personal. i think part of it is my girlfriend is due for labor in 2 months and today the doctor forbids sex cause her cervical walls are shortening. So, my apologies if you take what i say too serious.
but i still think yer crazy for blaming the school
My suggestion was get the email out sooner. I agree that reaching thousands of students would be tough, but the students claim that the email didn't go out until after it was all done. Get it out right after the first round. I can't believe that it would take 2 hours for the email to disperse.
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Well isn't 14 better than 32?
My suggestion was get the email out sooner. I agree that reaching thousands of students would be tough, but the students claim that the email didn't go out until after it was all done. Get it out right after the first round. I can't believe that it would take 2 hours for the email to disperse.
Scott
My suggestion was get the email out sooner. I agree that reaching thousands of students would be tough, but the students claim that the email didn't go out until after it was all done. Get it out right after the first round. I can't believe that it would take 2 hours for the email to disperse.
Scott
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Oh, btw, i really love arguing, and i do throw shots at people, but it really aint meant to be personal. i think part of it is my girlfriend is due for labor in 2 months and today the doctor forbids sex cause her cervical walls are shortening. So, my apologies if you take what i say too serious.
but i still think yer crazy for blaming the school
Scott
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Well isn't 14 better than 32?
My suggestion was get the email out sooner. I agree that reaching thousands of students would be tough, but the students claim that the email didn't go out until after it was all done. Get it out right after the first round. I can't believe that it would take 2 hours for the email to disperse.
Scott
My suggestion was get the email out sooner. I agree that reaching thousands of students would be tough, but the students claim that the email didn't go out until after it was all done. Get it out right after the first round. I can't believe that it would take 2 hours for the email to disperse.
Scott
Given that kind of time frame I can believe that it would take rougly 20 min for all of the emails to be sent..
It would just be sooo tough to let all of these people know what was going on within such a short amount of time.. I can understand why the school took their time, because had this been a domestic dispute they don't want to have a huge scare going around campus.. Who knows..
Like I've already said hindsight is 20/20, hopefully if anything like this ever happens again there will be newer/ better ways to communicate..
God Bless all of those who have lost a loved one.
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this sucks
#73
I'm amazed at how different fox news and CNN are covering this story.....well, i'm not really amazed, but it's kind of disturbing actually. Fox news is like "shoot the bastard 20 more times even if his head is not there" and CNN is like "he had obvious mental health problems, why wasn't he put in an institution to recieve help"
I hate the 24 hour news networks because they don't just report the news, they find any tom, dick or harry that has an opinion and go crazy with it. News isn't about opinions, it's about facts and that's it. My major in college was Mass Communications, and I had several journalism classes and it was beat into our head that you report the facts of both sides of the story and that's it.... but its almost like the 24 hour news networks sit around the editing room and pray for something major to happen.
I hate the 24 hour news networks because they don't just report the news, they find any tom, dick or harry that has an opinion and go crazy with it. News isn't about opinions, it's about facts and that's it. My major in college was Mass Communications, and I had several journalism classes and it was beat into our head that you report the facts of both sides of the story and that's it.... but its almost like the 24 hour news networks sit around the editing room and pray for something major to happen.
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#75
Sending an email out I don't think was the smartest thing.. I mean.. an email out to the staff, and then phone calls as well would have worked, along with emails to students.
The blame on video games and music has already come up, which is completely retarded, if you start thinking video games are real or make you meaner or some crap..you need to go to a psych ward.
This guy already had been into a mental health place, and they released him, what I'd like to know, is why was he able to either keep his guns, or purchase his guns even though he had been to a institution.
All I'm waiting on now is the same **** after columbine where these little dickheaded kids start making bomb threats, ect. (Oh that already happened today)
In my opinion, we should start handing out weapons permits with voter slips. A classroom full of armed students..some dude walks in with a gun.. maybe one kid dies, yea its sad, but not 32.
These days I think people are relying on the police alot..what they are failing to understand is the police normally don't show up until after a crime in committed. They aren't crime prevention..
The blame on video games and music has already come up, which is completely retarded, if you start thinking video games are real or make you meaner or some crap..you need to go to a psych ward.
This guy already had been into a mental health place, and they released him, what I'd like to know, is why was he able to either keep his guns, or purchase his guns even though he had been to a institution.
All I'm waiting on now is the same **** after columbine where these little dickheaded kids start making bomb threats, ect. (Oh that already happened today)
In my opinion, we should start handing out weapons permits with voter slips. A classroom full of armed students..some dude walks in with a gun.. maybe one kid dies, yea its sad, but not 32.
These days I think people are relying on the police alot..what they are failing to understand is the police normally don't show up until after a crime in committed. They aren't crime prevention..
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Sending an email out I don't think was the smartest thing.. I mean.. an email out to the staff, and then phone calls as well would have worked, along with emails to students.
The blame on video games and music has already come up, which is completely retarded, if you start thinking video games are real or make you meaner or some crap..you need to go to a psych ward.
This guy already had been into a mental health place, and they released him, what I'd like to know, is why was he able to either keep his guns, or purchase his guns even though he had been to a institution.
All I'm waiting on now is the same **** after columbine where these little dickheaded kids start making bomb threats, ect. (Oh that already happened today)
In my opinion, we should start handing out weapons permits with voter slips. A classroom full of armed students..some dude walks in with a gun.. maybe one kid dies, yea its sad, but not 32.
These days I think people are relying on the police alot..what they are failing to understand is the police normally don't show up until after a crime in committed. They aren't crime prevention..
The blame on video games and music has already come up, which is completely retarded, if you start thinking video games are real or make you meaner or some crap..you need to go to a psych ward.
This guy already had been into a mental health place, and they released him, what I'd like to know, is why was he able to either keep his guns, or purchase his guns even though he had been to a institution.
All I'm waiting on now is the same **** after columbine where these little dickheaded kids start making bomb threats, ect. (Oh that already happened today)
In my opinion, we should start handing out weapons permits with voter slips. A classroom full of armed students..some dude walks in with a gun.. maybe one kid dies, yea its sad, but not 32.
These days I think people are relying on the police alot..what they are failing to understand is the police normally don't show up until after a crime in committed. They aren't crime prevention..
Scott
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Yea, the only thing I have a problem with though..is we shouldn't have to rely 100% on the police, we should be able to defend ourselves. Like here in California..we can't shoot a dude robbing our house unless hes posing a threat to us..so if hes got his back turned and is running with our t.v...we can't shoot him..
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found out from my girlfriend another arvada highschool was also shut down because of death threats.
personally, i think if they find the pranksters behind these false threats they should all be thrown in real prison for 15 years, go through serious psyche evaulations, if needed to go the looney bin, and once they are out then 15 years in jail and get so many felonys stacked on them they would never be able to vote or buy a gun.
and be smacked in the mouth by a 2x4 and have "FELON" tattooed on thier forehead.
and beaten some more.
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Yea, the only thing I have a problem with though..is we shouldn't have to rely 100% on the police, we should be able to defend ourselves. Like here in California..we can't shoot a dude robbing our house unless hes posing a threat to us..so if hes got his back turned and is running with our t.v...we can't shoot him..
As for everyone carying guns, damn I don't know about that one. I think guns get a bad rap from people like this crazy punk, but the person who follows the laws.....you don't hear about. I do think there should be strict laws for obtaining a gun cause **** you don't want to let felons walk into a gun shop and buy a gun....so there needs to be checks and balances, but to use this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda is just retarded.
#81
Yea..see I'm a conservative democrat (lol have fun with that) I like my guns ect..
All the gun laws are kinda retarded.. I can understand not being able to purchase if you are felon, or an illegal or anything like that.. but they are banning guns like the .50 cal.. I just want to know... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANYONE WAS SHOT WITH A 50 CAL.. or these "assault rifles" they aren't assualt rifles.. assault rifles have been classified as "weapons that can switch between firing bursts, from semi to fully automatic" ect... they are going overboard with it all.
Back in ..I think its arizona its not uncommon to see a guy walk into 7/11 with a gun on his hip.. want to know something suprising.. the crime rate isn't as bad as places with the strictest gun control..
All the gun laws are kinda retarded.. I can understand not being able to purchase if you are felon, or an illegal or anything like that.. but they are banning guns like the .50 cal.. I just want to know... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANYONE WAS SHOT WITH A 50 CAL.. or these "assault rifles" they aren't assualt rifles.. assault rifles have been classified as "weapons that can switch between firing bursts, from semi to fully automatic" ect... they are going overboard with it all.
Back in ..I think its arizona its not uncommon to see a guy walk into 7/11 with a gun on his hip.. want to know something suprising.. the crime rate isn't as bad as places with the strictest gun control..
#83
I hear that....I'm a little liberal on some stuff but I'm also conservative on other stuff and defending your family, and property is one thing I'm conservative about....if someone has the ***** to break into your house and try to swipe your belongings or hurt your family then you should have the right to blast the bastard.
As for everyone carying guns, damn I don't know about that one. I think guns get a bad rap from people like this crazy punk, but the person who follows the laws.....you don't hear about. I do think there should be strict laws for obtaining a gun cause **** you don't want to let felons walk into a gun shop and buy a gun....so there needs to be checks and balances, but to use this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda is just retarded.
As for everyone carying guns, damn I don't know about that one. I think guns get a bad rap from people like this crazy punk, but the person who follows the laws.....you don't hear about. I do think there should be strict laws for obtaining a gun cause **** you don't want to let felons walk into a gun shop and buy a gun....so there needs to be checks and balances, but to use this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda is just retarded.
#86
This will no doubt be pondered as far as schools and workplaces go. IMHO If you walk around and act weird and say stupid stuff like " I think all (add your own ethnic group here) should die., then administration should have the right to ban your *** from there.. I see weird individuals everyday at work because we hire through a temp agency. Some people, just by looking at them or hearing their comments tells you to Beware.. Schools and workplaces should be safer, But so should civilization as a whole..
#87
Agreed. I think that if you are going to buy a gun.. your medical/mental health files should be allowed to be viewed. Cause that means.. Bob down the street who spent 3 years in the Mental bin and is a complete psycho can go buy a gun and destroy some people..
I mean.. when you go to apply to become a cop..they look at everything.. why can't they look at everything when a dude wants to buy a gun..
If its the time/funding BS screw that.. our tax dollars go into useless crap.. they are being paid damn good money, make the time and cut back on the things that don't work.
And yea..when you hire through a Temp Serv.. expect to get some bad guys in there..ex cons..whatever... here in CA its not uncommon to see a guy working through a temp serv with a gang affiliated tattoo on the back of his head ;x
I mean.. when you go to apply to become a cop..they look at everything.. why can't they look at everything when a dude wants to buy a gun..
If its the time/funding BS screw that.. our tax dollars go into useless crap.. they are being paid damn good money, make the time and cut back on the things that don't work.
And yea..when you hire through a Temp Serv.. expect to get some bad guys in there..ex cons..whatever... here in CA its not uncommon to see a guy working through a temp serv with a gang affiliated tattoo on the back of his head ;x
#88
I'm not saying this kid had a criminal past, and I'm not saying this is how it happened, but my point is that IF he was admitted into a mental institution in 2005 and then was allowed to legally purchase 2 guns after being institutionalized, that should have raised some flags in someones system. Maybe the system isn't set up to flag those things, I don't know, but don't you think it should be?
#89
The reason his institutionalization (pretty sure this is a real word) was not brought up at the gun shop was because he was only evaluated for like 5 days. He would have had to be in the institute for at least 14 days I believe it is for there to actually be a record. The judge had commited him to the institute but after he was evaluated they didn't feel he needed to be in there longer than the 5 days. So if he had been in there more than 14 days then he would not have been able to purchase a gun and 32 people would probably still be alive.
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The reason his institutionalization (pretty sure this is a real word) was not brought up at the gun shop was because he was only evaluated for like 5 days. He would have had to be in the institute for at least 14 days I believe it is for there to actually be a record. The judge had commited him to the institute but after he was evaluated they didn't feel he needed to be in there longer than the 5 days. So if he had been in there more than 14 days then he would not have been able to purchase a gun and 32 people would probably still be alive.