The Lounge This is the General Talk forum.

Virginia Tech Shooting

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #62  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:12 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

Students are on record as saying that they didn't know about it until after the second round and that the email sent by the school didn't go out until that time. I am just going on what the interviews say. If the students say they didn't know about it, then clearly they didn't. What don't you understand? The email should have been sent immediately.

Also, even if you confine him to a dorm, with police or whatnot on the scene, I would imagine that fewer than 32 people would have died. You are right Jack that he was determined to kill. I never said that all the lives could have been saved. You just try to cut your losses.

Scott
 
  #64  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:14 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by wnracing
Yeah, that is another argument alltogether, and one that probably wouldn't go over well with the mods...But I can simply say that I would probably agree with you on it.
<----but make my mug a coke lol

Scott
 
  #65  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:15 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

Jack, the girls went to the police with the stalking but decided not to press charges. For what reason I don't know. That's just what was reported on the news. Don't shoot the messenger.

Scott
 
  #66  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:16 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

And no Jack, he was labeled to dangerous to himself and others BY THE COURT but for whatever reason was not committed. Again, don't shoot the messenger.

Scott
 
  #68  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:22 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
Once again,Other than an EMAIL, WHAT could they have done better. I still havent heared a single idea to improve on what they did.

Why do you think he could no go through the halls, kicking down doors and killing people in thier room?

so maybe he would have only killed 14? Oh wow. That is so much better.

If they would have done that, then all the other finger pointers would have said "IT IS THE SCHOOLS FAULT FOR LOCKING HIM IN THE DORM WITH THE VICTIMS, HE CRANKED HIS STEREO AND DROWNED OUT THE SHOTS LONG ENOUGH TO KILL 14 STUDENTS"


Oh, btw, i really love arguing, and i do throw shots at people, but it really aint meant to be personal. i think part of it is my girlfriend is due for labor in 2 months and today the doctor forbids sex cause her cervical walls are shortening. So, my apologies if you take what i say too serious.

but i still think yer crazy for blaming the school
Well isn't 14 better than 32?

My suggestion was get the email out sooner. I agree that reaching thousands of students would be tough, but the students claim that the email didn't go out until after it was all done. Get it out right after the first round. I can't believe that it would take 2 hours for the email to disperse.

Scott
 
  #70  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:23 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper


Oh, btw, i really love arguing, and i do throw shots at people, but it really aint meant to be personal. i think part of it is my girlfriend is due for labor in 2 months and today the doctor forbids sex cause her cervical walls are shortening. So, my apologies if you take what i say too serious.

but i still think yer crazy for blaming the school
There's still other things that SHE can do for you that has no chance of hurting her or the baby :winkwink:

Scott
 
  #73  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:44 PM
jjtgiants's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
jjtgiants
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,177
From: Dublin, CA
Default

I'm amazed at how different fox news and CNN are covering this story.....well, i'm not really amazed, but it's kind of disturbing actually. Fox news is like "shoot the bastard 20 more times even if his head is not there" and CNN is like "he had obvious mental health problems, why wasn't he put in an institution to recieve help"

I hate the 24 hour news networks because they don't just report the news, they find any tom, dick or harry that has an opinion and go crazy with it. News isn't about opinions, it's about facts and that's it. My major in college was Mass Communications, and I had several journalism classes and it was beat into our head that you report the facts of both sides of the story and that's it.... but its almost like the 24 hour news networks sit around the editing room and pray for something major to happen.
 
  #74  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:47 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
I wish. the issue isnt the action, if her arousal state goes up it could cause complications. ns, no sexual contact at all.

this sucks
Well, see now I understand why you are so pissy lol...I guess you know what you have to do. Keeping it all pent up will cause things to happen, just like tonight...I'll just leave it at that.

Scott
 
  #75  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:47 PM
SnTBakosFinest's Avatar
Nitrous Injected 3.8
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,881
From: Bakersfield, CA
Default

Sending an email out I don't think was the smartest thing.. I mean.. an email out to the staff, and then phone calls as well would have worked, along with emails to students.

The blame on video games and music has already come up, which is completely retarded, if you start thinking video games are real or make you meaner or some crap..you need to go to a psych ward.

This guy already had been into a mental health place, and they released him, what I'd like to know, is why was he able to either keep his guns, or purchase his guns even though he had been to a institution.

All I'm waiting on now is the same **** after columbine where these little dickheaded kids start making bomb threats, ect. (Oh that already happened today)

In my opinion, we should start handing out weapons permits with voter slips. A classroom full of armed students..some dude walks in with a gun.. maybe one kid dies, yea its sad, but not 32.

These days I think people are relying on the police alot..what they are failing to understand is the police normally don't show up until after a crime in committed. They aren't crime prevention..
 
  #76  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:49 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest
Sending an email out I don't think was the smartest thing.. I mean.. an email out to the staff, and then phone calls as well would have worked, along with emails to students.

The blame on video games and music has already come up, which is completely retarded, if you start thinking video games are real or make you meaner or some crap..you need to go to a psych ward.

This guy already had been into a mental health place, and they released him, what I'd like to know, is why was he able to either keep his guns, or purchase his guns even though he had been to a institution.

All I'm waiting on now is the same **** after columbine where these little dickheaded kids start making bomb threats, ect. (Oh that already happened today)

In my opinion, we should start handing out weapons permits with voter slips. A classroom full of armed students..some dude walks in with a gun.. maybe one kid dies, yea its sad, but not 32.

These days I think people are relying on the police alot..what they are failing to understand is the police normally don't show up until after a crime in committed. They aren't crime prevention..
I don't disagree with that at all, but if the police are all you got, you work with it.

Scott
 
  #77  
Old 04-18-2007 | 09:54 PM
SnTBakosFinest's Avatar
Nitrous Injected 3.8
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,881
From: Bakersfield, CA
Default

Yea, the only thing I have a problem with though..is we shouldn't have to rely 100% on the police, we should be able to defend ourselves. Like here in California..we can't shoot a dude robbing our house unless hes posing a threat to us..so if hes got his back turned and is running with our t.v...we can't shoot him..
 
  #78  
Old 04-18-2007 | 10:01 PM
96TangerineBossGT's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 466
From: NC
Default

I think it is like that most places. It is like that here in NC as well.

Scott
 
  #80  
Old 04-18-2007 | 10:02 PM
jjtgiants's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
jjtgiants
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,177
From: Dublin, CA
Default

Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest
Yea, the only thing I have a problem with though..is we shouldn't have to rely 100% on the police, we should be able to defend ourselves. Like here in California..we can't shoot a dude robbing our house unless hes posing a threat to us..so if hes got his back turned and is running with our t.v...we can't shoot him..
I hear that....I'm a little liberal on some stuff but I'm also conservative on other stuff and defending your family, and property is one thing I'm conservative about....if someone has the ***** to break into your house and try to swipe your belongings or hurt your family then you should have the right to blast the bastard.

As for everyone carying guns, damn I don't know about that one. I think guns get a bad rap from people like this crazy punk, but the person who follows the laws.....you don't hear about. I do think there should be strict laws for obtaining a gun cause **** you don't want to let felons walk into a gun shop and buy a gun....so there needs to be checks and balances, but to use this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda is just retarded.
 
  #81  
Old 04-18-2007 | 10:14 PM
SnTBakosFinest's Avatar
Nitrous Injected 3.8
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,881
From: Bakersfield, CA
Default

Yea..see I'm a conservative democrat (lol have fun with that) I like my guns ect..


All the gun laws are kinda retarded.. I can understand not being able to purchase if you are felon, or an illegal or anything like that.. but they are banning guns like the .50 cal.. I just want to know... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANYONE WAS SHOT WITH A 50 CAL.. or these "assault rifles" they aren't assualt rifles.. assault rifles have been classified as "weapons that can switch between firing bursts, from semi to fully automatic" ect... they are going overboard with it all.

Back in ..I think its arizona its not uncommon to see a guy walk into 7/11 with a gun on his hip.. want to know something suprising.. the crime rate isn't as bad as places with the strictest gun control..
 
  #82  
Old 04-18-2007 | 10:15 PM
SnTBakosFinest's Avatar
Nitrous Injected 3.8
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,881
From: Bakersfield, CA
Default

Oh and Jack..bad news at the maternity clinic? =(
 
  #83  
Old 04-18-2007 | 10:15 PM
Codiddy's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,786
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by jjtgiants
I hear that....I'm a little liberal on some stuff but I'm also conservative on other stuff and defending your family, and property is one thing I'm conservative about....if someone has the ***** to break into your house and try to swipe your belongings or hurt your family then you should have the right to blast the bastard.

As for everyone carying guns, damn I don't know about that one. I think guns get a bad rap from people like this crazy punk, but the person who follows the laws.....you don't hear about. I do think there should be strict laws for obtaining a gun cause **** you don't want to let felons walk into a gun shop and buy a gun....so there needs to be checks and balances, but to use this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda is just retarded.
I read a newspaper article today, the 2 guns he used, a walther .22 and a glock 19 (9mm) were both purchased legally.
 
  #84  
Old 04-18-2007 | 10:16 PM
Codiddy's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,786
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest
Oh and Jack..bad news at the maternity clinic? =(
didn't you hear? no sex for old jack for three months!
 
  #85  
Old 04-18-2007 | 10:33 PM
SnTBakosFinest's Avatar
Nitrous Injected 3.8
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,881
From: Bakersfield, CA
Default

oh hahaha sucks for jack.

And yea.. he purchased them legally..but heres what i'd like to know..why didn't they take them away when he went to the looney bin back in 05
 
  #86  
Old 04-18-2007 | 11:52 PM
rebelyell's Avatar
More Cowbell
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,003
From: North Carolina
Default

Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest
oh hahaha sucks for jack.

And yea.. he purchased them legally..but heres what i'd like to know..why didn't they take them away when he went to the looney bin back in 05
Because that is confidential info from his medical history. Unless he was involuntarily commited to an institute, his records are not to be viewed by anybody. He wasn't irrational when he bought the guns so the dealer couldn't have known how unstable he was. If you go to a gunshop ranting and raving the dealer can refuse you service. The school phsycologist knew he was not right in the head but he could not act on that assumption because the crazy guy didn't actually say he was gonna do this or that. You can speak your mind as long as it is not a direct threat to any person or group. You can hate all day as long as you don't directly threaten.

This will no doubt be pondered as far as schools and workplaces go. IMHO If you walk around and act weird and say stupid stuff like " I think all (add your own ethnic group here) should die., then administration should have the right to ban your *** from there.. I see weird individuals everyday at work because we hire through a temp agency. Some people, just by looking at them or hearing their comments tells you to Beware.. Schools and workplaces should be safer, But so should civilization as a whole..
 
  #87  
Old 04-19-2007 | 01:07 AM
SnTBakosFinest's Avatar
Nitrous Injected 3.8
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,881
From: Bakersfield, CA
Default

Agreed. I think that if you are going to buy a gun.. your medical/mental health files should be allowed to be viewed. Cause that means.. Bob down the street who spent 3 years in the Mental bin and is a complete psycho can go buy a gun and destroy some people..

I mean.. when you go to apply to become a cop..they look at everything.. why can't they look at everything when a dude wants to buy a gun..

If its the time/funding BS screw that.. our tax dollars go into useless crap.. they are being paid damn good money, make the time and cut back on the things that don't work.

And yea..when you hire through a Temp Serv.. expect to get some bad guys in there..ex cons..whatever... here in CA its not uncommon to see a guy working through a temp serv with a gang affiliated tattoo on the back of his head ;x
 
  #88  
Old 04-19-2007 | 10:27 AM
jjtgiants's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
jjtgiants
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,177
From: Dublin, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Codiddy
I read a newspaper article today, the 2 guns he used, a walther .22 and a glock 19 (9mm) were both purchased legally.
Your totally right, but I'm saying they should make it a little tougher to buy guns in Virginia. According to the news Virginia is one of the easiest states to purchase a weapon.....I don't think good law obiding citizens have an issue with making it a little tougher to buy a gun just to make sure criminals don't slip through the process.....

I'm not saying this kid had a criminal past, and I'm not saying this is how it happened, but my point is that IF he was admitted into a mental institution in 2005 and then was allowed to legally purchase 2 guns after being institutionalized, that should have raised some flags in someones system. Maybe the system isn't set up to flag those things, I don't know, but don't you think it should be?
 
  #89  
Old 04-19-2007 | 10:57 AM
00blkstanggt's Avatar
Hot, Nasty, Bad ass speed
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,719
From: Livermore, Ca
Default

The reason his institutionalization (pretty sure this is a real word) was not brought up at the gun shop was because he was only evaluated for like 5 days. He would have had to be in the institute for at least 14 days I believe it is for there to actually be a record. The judge had commited him to the institute but after he was evaluated they didn't feel he needed to be in there longer than the 5 days. So if he had been in there more than 14 days then he would not have been able to purchase a gun and 32 people would probably still be alive.
 
  #90  
Old 04-19-2007 | 11:09 AM
jjtgiants's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
jjtgiants
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,177
From: Dublin, CA
Default

Originally Posted by 00blkstanggt
The reason his institutionalization (pretty sure this is a real word) was not brought up at the gun shop was because he was only evaluated for like 5 days. He would have had to be in the institute for at least 14 days I believe it is for there to actually be a record. The judge had commited him to the institute but after he was evaluated they didn't feel he needed to be in there longer than the 5 days. So if he had been in there more than 14 days then he would not have been able to purchase a gun and 32 people would probably still be alive.
good stuff....that's interesting. Maybe they will take a look at that law and make some adjustments. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, but I think Virginia should take a look at the systems in place and maybe work to strengthen their policies.
 



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:34 PM.