Virginia Tech Shooting
 

Is anyone else following this story? Every news outlet is reporting something different, but they think 31 people have been killed and another 28 wounded. Holy crap what a tragic day.

I just got home from work and started watching the news about it. It's F***ing crazy. They are saying the shooter took his own life. If your going to kill yourself, why go on a shooting rampage, jesus, all those innocent lives. I know quite a few ppl that went to school there and have been to that campus many times. Unbelievable.

Such a terrible thing. :(

Im hearing 32 dead now... :shakeno:

All with a 22 pistol and a 9mm.

who was it saying that a 9mm was a pussy round?

killed 32, wounded 28?

did that guy miss a single shot????? He shot 60 people!! Jesus christ!

The kids in columbine had freakin assault rifles, and only killed 12 and wounded another dozen or so.

world is crazy...

Press is already trying to blame the school... Saying that since one person was shot that the entire school should have been locked down immediately..

OH just wait, here comes the "too little too late" committee to overreact on everything, sue everyone not involved, and to shelve blame on everyony including the victims.

soon somone will be talking about how the shooter was really the victim

lousy ****ers

31 killed not including the shooter. Some kids were injured when they jumped from 2nd story trying to get away.

total apparently up to 33...

Sad, its what our world is becoming!

wow, what a horrible day. It's really hard to imagine someone with a hand gun being able to shoot that many people.....I will be crazy to see how many shots the guy really did fire...doesn't a 9mm pistol hold like 12 rounds or something like that? That would mean a lot of re-loading and firing again. just tragic.

I heard it is up to 33 people killed. What is going on in peoples heads?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vte...ing/index.html

I'm not understanding something about this whole thing.....so the guy goes on campus, shoots a few people and 2 hours later starts shooting again? Why the hell weren't the cops there in force before the 2nd rampage went on? Some things just aren't adding up.....and 1 guy did all of the shooting? That's crazy stuff.

Those are my thoughts exactly. The comment above about the blame game being played now is totally off base. Its not like a student got shot in some off campus setting. This actually happened on campus and was a student shooting other students. The school should have been shut down and the police should have been there looking for that little bastard, just as jttgiants pointed out.

Scott

I love how you think you are always right about everything, about how sure you are of yourself.. You must be a major ass in real life..

First off, they don't know if the shooter was a student or not.. In-Fact they don't even know if it was the same shooter in both incidents..

Let's take this for instance, if someone gets shot in the mall, do they close off the entire mall? No, just the area in which it happened.. If someone gets shot in an apt complex, do the police tell everyone in every building to stay inside? No..

The school did tell everyone in the dorm that the first shooting occurred in to stay put, they had reason to believe that the shooter was gone and that it was a domestic incident, it had no markings as to be a 'collumbine' type shooting..

And the fact that you say 'pointing blame' has no relevance just shows your ignorance, because in the same post you place the blame on the school and the police.

Bottom line, the blame shouldn't be placed on the school, the police, or any other outside force other than the people/ person that pulled the trigger and killed all of those innocent people.

Guys, keep it reasonable in here. If you wanna start beef, take it to the smackdown. Keep this thread for information only.

Thanks.

Yeah, there is no need for the name calling. My feelings are truly hurt...

My point about the blame game was that the person that made the initial comment was being all sarcastic about people blaming the school. I said that it was offbase, because the school should be blamed. You need to read the initial comment before you start accusing me of contradicting myself or being ignorant.

Even if they didn't cancel classes, they could have made sure to get the news out and make sure people knew, so that they could make their own decisions. I mean, you give examples where only certain areas are closed off after a crime or whatever. If something like that happened at a mall like the example you gave, I sure as hell am not going to be anywhere near there, for the same reason as what happened today. Once all the focus goes to that specific area, it makes other areas vulnerable.

Scott

The school emailed the students @ what? 9:15? Morning classes started @ 8:00 and the shooting started @ what 10:00? There was 2-3 hours between the incidents, and you know how word circulates in high schools/ colleges, I guarantee you that most of the people on campus knew about the earlier shooting..

I apologize if I hurt your feelings, but placing the blame on the school or the police dept. is just ludacris, neither could have done anything (short of stopping 20,000 students individually) to prevent some crazy person from unleashing the kind of hell that this kid did..

It is easy to place the blame on the school because this is how the media has programmed our minds, but you have to look at every aspect, did the school know that there was some crazy person on the loose that was going to commit a mass murder? I honestly don't think they did and I don't blame them.. There was a shooting in which two innocent people ended up dieing, and then nothing for 2-3 1/2 hours.. Would you be thinking "I think there is going to be a mass murder 3hrs from now."

Oh yeah yer right scott.

The school is to blame. Of course they should have evacuated all 9000 students living on campus, all 26,000 students enrolled, and pulled out the national guard to secure and clear all 100 buildings because somone got shot.

What were they thinking.

Good point. And the normal precident that had been set with these mass murders is to show up at the location with guns blazing.

Not kill 1 person, hang around for a few hours, and then go mass murder.

wnracing...i was actually being sarcastic about my feelings being hurt. you didn't have to apologize lol. It's funny how you tell it one way but the quotes I have read in the numerous have students saying that they didn't receive any news about it until the second shooting started taking place.

Jack...I never said to officially evacuate the campus. They could have cancelled class to keep students in their homes, dorms whatever, where they could lock their doors to help protect themselves. If they chose not to, then that would be their choice. If they chose for themselves to evacuate then fine too. There are quotes in the articles as well about some students leaving campus and not staying in their dorms and heading to friends' homes off campus and such after hereing the news.

And I'll just end with this. You guys want to criticize me because you claim I act like I am 100% correct, but what are you guys doing to me? You are putting me down because I am wrong, according to you all. How hypocritical is that? It is all opinion. They made the decision they felt was best but hey, people make mistakes, and they should suffer the consequences. If enough people feel that they did make a mistake, then they will.

Scott

All I know is someone is to blame, 1 person killed 2 people in a dorm, was missing for two hours, and the students were not informed until just before the second shooting started (by email, of all things).

The fact that ONE person was able to kill 33 people and that the only reason it stopped is because he took his own life is ridiculous and very very unfortunate.

THANK YOU!!!!!!

Scott

not trying to dog you or put you down, im just a sarcastic person, i diddnt intend any offence..

also, reports are now saying 2 people were killed at first.

the point is, before people should go blaming the school, the faculty, the police, etc, etc, take a look at all the information (as it develops) and think weather or not thier actions were actually incorrect. But as in all horrific events, there are those groups who just want to go out and hang somone for this. the guy to blame is dead. that isnt enough for some people, so they have to find fault and blame in other places.

2 people murdered. the police probably assumed it was a domestic violence issue. Scorned boyfriend kills girlfriend and her lover, whatnot. I doubt there was a person alive (no pun intended) that thought this would escelate 2 hours later into such a horiffic mass murder scenario. Normal people would probably assume that the killer bailed. Escelate security, increase vigilance, and let everyone know what happened, and move on.

If they had the slightest that this would become a mass murder, which a scenario like this is completly unheared of, im sure they would have taken more severe measures. Normally mass murders start out with the mass murder part.....

there is a fine line between reacting appropriatly, over-reacting, and getting caught with yer pants down.

in this case, they reacted as what im assuming thier protocol dictated, and im sure they took in the police reccomendations and acted as any rational human would consider appropriate.

the problem is that this time, the first time this has ever happened, rather than kill the people and take off to the border, the guy chained a bunch of doors shut and muderded another 30 people then shot himself.

i dont think the school did anything wrong, i dont see that this was forseeable, this was completly unheared of and not matching any pattern of any previous school shooting.

it sucks, it was a horrible thing, but witch hunting to find somone to blame since the killer is dead doesent really solve anything but to possibly destroy peoples lives and carreers needlessly.

:noooo:

name 1 other time in history in any country where a person killed 2 people, then hid for 2 hours and went on a mass murder rampage.

the appearance is that a double homocide took place.

who the hell would honestly think it would result in a mass murder? logic and countless historical murders suggest that the person would have hightailed it out of there.

and while email isnt the best, what do most people do when they first go to work or school?

check thier email.

maybe theys hould have done smoke signals? lol
:poke:

we'll know more in the days to come. I'm not going to put blame on the school because I have no idea what really happened and it's always easy to blame something or someone after the fact. I just find it very strange that the shootings took part on the same campus, but two hours apart from one another....

So the cops showed up at the first shooting and didn't even think the at large shooter could still be on campus? Regardless if they thought it was an isolated event, and who would have ever thought someone would have done this, but you'd think they would have been searching the campus?.....who knows maybe they were. I'm not blaming anyone, it all just sounds a little strange at this point.

Others have pointed out that VA Tech is pretty much like a small city so it wasn't like they could just evacuate people in minutes, but damn how did a guy with two pistols shoot so many people?? Time will tell.

From what im hearing he took those 2 hours chaining all the exits in a building shut, started shooting then just blasted everyone as they were trapped.
:shakeno:

How sad...there are some serious ****ed up people in this world...:(

I guess that's why he was able to hit so many people. Nobody saw some guy chaining the doors? strange.

They also said that he was wearing a vest with numerous clips. Thats how he got so many shots off. Since he was using a 9mm he could reload in a matter of seconds and just keep firing.