Virginia Tech Shooting
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04-17-2007 | 11:35 AM
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So I wonder how long it will take for the media to start blaming video games for this mess! It looks like the shooter was Asian so you know he'll have at least 3 gaming consoles in his house....ha ha ha....I'm kidding, but seriously I wonder how long it will take before they start blaming GTA or some other game.
#32
04-17-2007 | 02:23 PM
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So I wonder how long it will take for the media to start blaming video games for this mess! It looks like the shooter was Asian so you know he'll have at least 3 gaming consoles in his house....ha ha ha....I'm kidding, but seriously I wonder how long it will take before they start blaming GTA or some other game.
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04-17-2007 | 03:05 PM
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These people need to look at the enviroment that they grew up in and were raised. I am from a good home, played Mortal Kombat my whole life, and play Gears of War now which is violent. That doesn't make someone grow up and want to go shoot up a school. I remember there was a kid of commited suicide and had a Blink 182 song playing on repeat. The parents tried to sue them and the song was actually an anti-suicide song. Parents and other people are quick to blame someone else rather than themselves. I bet if someone was to kill themselves and had Beethoven playing in the background they wouldnt say anything about that.
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04-17-2007 | 03:37 PM
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These people need to look at the enviroment that they grew up in and were raised. I am from a good home, played Mortal Kombat my whole life, and play Gears of War now which is violent. That doesn't make someone grow up and want to go shoot up a school. I remember there was a kid of commited suicide and had a Blink 182 song playing on repeat. The parents tried to sue them and the song was actually an anti-suicide song. Parents and other people are quick to blame someone else rather than themselves. I bet if someone was to kill themselves and had Beethoven playing in the background they wouldnt say anything about that.
funny thing about those people who are claiming tv violence and video game violence is the cause.
Anyone ever watch Tom and Jerry?
I saw an episode the other day where Tom is chasing Jerry around with a Meat cleaver. He managed to shaave off half of Jerrys fur in one neat slice.
Jerry got away only to shove a stick of dynamite down tom's throat, then he proceeded to light tom on fire and shot him in the face before the dynamite blew all of toms teeth out.
Or how about While E Coyote throwing the Road Runner down a well that was full of TNT that was about to detonate, only to have the road runner get away and blast a giant piece of rock into the air which came down and crushed every bone in wileys body.
back when i was young and the only game systems out were the Nintendo 8 bit system, my friends and i had toy guns, Armed GI Joes, and played Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians having mock gun fights and pretended to kill eachother.
the violence in childhood play is nothing new. Just cause video games require less imagination doesent mean they are damaging to kids.
People need to stop looking for people to blame and start looking for the reason something happened. Scapegoating is just too easy and seldom very accurate.
the problem is not video games, or tv, it is not the music, the problem was not the school, or the police, the problem was with that twisted **** who decided to kill everyone.
#36
04-17-2007 | 04:59 PM
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i agree that you cant blame it on music or games or whatever...but i think to some extent troubled people can be made more violent by playing violent games...however it isnt the cause of the tragedy...
#37
04-17-2007 | 05:47 PM
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People who are brainwashed from playing video games or watching war/action films are emotionally challenged and need to harden the **** up (HTFU).
I'm 17, I've played video games since I was a little mother ****er, I have 3 firearms, I listen to "loud" music, I want to join the military, I like the military, and guns, but I am not a violent person, I do not want to kill people, killing someone is the last thing I have on my mind, infact in person I'm a softy.
These kids that go out and murder people take emo songs too ****ing seriously and take the lyrics or the movie or book's plot to heart - and are mentally weak. It's not the entertainment world's fault that some kids these days are just socially and emotionally ****ed up.
I mean that punk that murdered those folks, he killed his girlfriend why? Because he was in a jealous rage? Man the **** up retard, should have just killed yourself since you're suck a ****ing waste of resources, may you burn in hell for taking away the lives of 32 others, when it should have just been you.
I'm 17, I've played video games since I was a little mother ****er, I have 3 firearms, I listen to "loud" music, I want to join the military, I like the military, and guns, but I am not a violent person, I do not want to kill people, killing someone is the last thing I have on my mind, infact in person I'm a softy.
These kids that go out and murder people take emo songs too ****ing seriously and take the lyrics or the movie or book's plot to heart - and are mentally weak. It's not the entertainment world's fault that some kids these days are just socially and emotionally ****ed up.
I mean that punk that murdered those folks, he killed his girlfriend why? Because he was in a jealous rage? Man the **** up retard, should have just killed yourself since you're suck a ****ing waste of resources, may you burn in hell for taking away the lives of 32 others, when it should have just been you.
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04-17-2007 | 06:21 PM
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lol....
funny thing about those people who are claiming tv violence and video game violence is the cause.
Anyone ever watch Tom and Jerry?
I saw an episode the other day where Tom is chasing Jerry around with a Meat cleaver. He managed to shaave off half of Jerrys fur in one neat slice.
Jerry got away only to shove a stick of dynamite down tom's throat, then he proceeded to light tom on fire and shot him in the face before the dynamite blew all of toms teeth out.
Or how about While E Coyote throwing the Road Runner down a well that was full of TNT that was about to detonate, only to have the road runner get away and blast a giant piece of rock into the air which came down and crushed every bone in wileys body.
back when i was young and the only game systems out were the Nintendo 8 bit system, my friends and i had toy guns, Armed GI Joes, and played Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians having mock gun fights and pretended to kill eachother.
the violence in childhood play is nothing new. Just cause video games require less imagination doesent mean they are damaging to kids.
People need to stop looking for people to blame and start looking for the reason something happened. Scapegoating is just too easy and seldom very accurate.
the problem is not video games, or tv, it is not the music, the problem was not the school, or the police, the problem was with that twisted **** who decided to kill everyone.
funny thing about those people who are claiming tv violence and video game violence is the cause.
Anyone ever watch Tom and Jerry?
I saw an episode the other day where Tom is chasing Jerry around with a Meat cleaver. He managed to shaave off half of Jerrys fur in one neat slice.
Jerry got away only to shove a stick of dynamite down tom's throat, then he proceeded to light tom on fire and shot him in the face before the dynamite blew all of toms teeth out.
Or how about While E Coyote throwing the Road Runner down a well that was full of TNT that was about to detonate, only to have the road runner get away and blast a giant piece of rock into the air which came down and crushed every bone in wileys body.
back when i was young and the only game systems out were the Nintendo 8 bit system, my friends and i had toy guns, Armed GI Joes, and played Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians having mock gun fights and pretended to kill eachother.
the violence in childhood play is nothing new. Just cause video games require less imagination doesent mean they are damaging to kids.
People need to stop looking for people to blame and start looking for the reason something happened. Scapegoating is just too easy and seldom very accurate.
the problem is not video games, or tv, it is not the music, the problem was not the school, or the police, the problem was with that twisted **** who decided to kill everyone.
#39
04-18-2007 | 09:41 AM
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I love how you think you are always right about everything, about how sure you are of yourself.. You must be a major *** in real life..
First off, they don't know if the shooter was a student or not.. In-Fact they don't even know if it was the same shooter in both incidents..
Let's take this for instance, if someone gets shot in the mall, do they close off the entire mall? No, just the area in which it happened.. If someone gets shot in an apt complex, do the police tell everyone in every building to stay inside? No..
The school did tell everyone in the dorm that the first shooting occurred in to stay put, they had reason to believe that the shooter was gone and that it was a domestic incident, it had no markings as to be a 'collumbine' type shooting..
And the fact that you say 'pointing blame' has no relevance just shows your ignorance, because in the same post you place the blame on the school and the police.
Bottom line, the blame shouldn't be placed on the school, the police, or any other outside force other than the people/ person that pulled the trigger and killed all of those innocent people.
First off, they don't know if the shooter was a student or not.. In-Fact they don't even know if it was the same shooter in both incidents..
Let's take this for instance, if someone gets shot in the mall, do they close off the entire mall? No, just the area in which it happened.. If someone gets shot in an apt complex, do the police tell everyone in every building to stay inside? No..
The school did tell everyone in the dorm that the first shooting occurred in to stay put, they had reason to believe that the shooter was gone and that it was a domestic incident, it had no markings as to be a 'collumbine' type shooting..
And the fact that you say 'pointing blame' has no relevance just shows your ignorance, because in the same post you place the blame on the school and the police.
Bottom line, the blame shouldn't be placed on the school, the police, or any other outside force other than the people/ person that pulled the trigger and killed all of those innocent people.
It was in fact a STUDENT and it was the same STUDENT in BOTH instances. He had a history of mental instability and from what I hear, his english teachers had suggested that he seek counseling because of the papers/stories/whatever he had been writing in english class. The bottom line is, the police and Virginia Tech dropped the ball on this one. My point of believing from the beginning that it was student and that it would have been the same one both times was that it did happen in the academic buildings. Non-students tend to stand out, especially if they are older. It would make sense to me that someone would have suspected something if this were the case. People off the street don't usually just walk up into the academic buildings/dorms on our campus so of course they would stand out. The fact that it happened in such a public venue is what tipped me off that it would have happened again.
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04-18-2007 | 09:54 AM
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You don't listen.. Therefore it's not worth my energy to type... Please go walk into a busy intersection.
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04-18-2007 | 10:00 AM
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04-18-2007 | 10:22 AM
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OK.. You Were/ Are NOT right.. 
The police can't predict the future! They are not all seeing! They take what evidence they have in front of them and have to make a decision based on that!
Had I been in their position I would have siad.. OK, we have two people shot in ONE isolated dorm room, they died at, or on the way to the hospital.. There was absolutely NO evidence that this crazy **** was going to go on a shooting rampage a full 2 hours later!
Bottom line, this is NOT the fault of the school, or the police, it's the crazy asian kid with no friends..
You can argue your point all that you want, and say that you're right 'till you're blue in the face, but this was the single-most off the wall tragic killing spree ever.. There is absolutely no-one on the planet that could have predicted this..
The police can't predict the future! They are not all seeing! They take what evidence they have in front of them and have to make a decision based on that!
Had I been in their position I would have siad.. OK, we have two people shot in ONE isolated dorm room, they died at, or on the way to the hospital.. There was absolutely NO evidence that this crazy **** was going to go on a shooting rampage a full 2 hours later!
Bottom line, this is NOT the fault of the school, or the police, it's the crazy asian kid with no friends..
You can argue your point all that you want, and say that you're right 'till you're blue in the face, but this was the single-most off the wall tragic killing spree ever.. There is absolutely no-one on the planet that could have predicted this..
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04-18-2007 | 01:58 PM
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OK.. You Were/ Are NOT right..
The police can't predict the future! They are not all seeing! They take what evidence they have in front of them and have to make a decision based on that!
Had I been in their position I would have siad.. OK, we have two people shot in ONE isolated dorm room, they died at, or on the way to the hospital.. There was absolutely NO evidence that this crazy **** was going to go on a shooting rampage a full 2 hours later!
Bottom line, this is NOT the fault of the school, or the police, it's the crazy asian kid with no friends..
You can argue your point all that you want, and say that you're right 'till you're blue in the face, but this was the single-most off the wall tragic killing spree ever.. There is absolutely no-one on the planet that could have predicted this..
The police can't predict the future! They are not all seeing! They take what evidence they have in front of them and have to make a decision based on that!
Had I been in their position I would have siad.. OK, we have two people shot in ONE isolated dorm room, they died at, or on the way to the hospital.. There was absolutely NO evidence that this crazy **** was going to go on a shooting rampage a full 2 hours later!
Bottom line, this is NOT the fault of the school, or the police, it's the crazy asian kid with no friends..
You can argue your point all that you want, and say that you're right 'till you're blue in the face, but this was the single-most off the wall tragic killing spree ever.. There is absolutely no-one on the planet that could have predicted this..
Scott
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04-18-2007 | 02:19 PM
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Well the warning signs are starting to add now aren't they? I'm just saying, without knowing all the details when first hearing of the tragedy, I believed that it was a student and the same one in both instances. This wasn't just some hold up on campus and stolen wallet. This was a planned MURDER and I sure as hell would have liked to have known about as soon as it happened so that I could ensure my own safety. If someone is capable of killing 2 people like that, they are certainly capable of killing more. Considering he was still at large after the first round, and the fact that he looked like a student, the campus should have been put on lockdown to find him, bottom line. I know there was the whole "we had reason to believe he left campus." Well whatever information they had or grounds for believing that were false, as he had in fact not left campus. So therefore, whoever told them that or whatever should be held accountable, as it cost the school more lives. The police's right is to serve and protect. They sure didn't do a lot of protecting that day.
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04-18-2007 | 02:37 PM
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04-18-2007 | 02:50 PM
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Hindsight is 20/20..
You can look at the University, or the police dept. and say "they should have done something differently.."
But blaming either the school or the police is just completely outrageous.. There was nothing within their power that they could have done.. Could they have let the students know before they did? Maybe.. BUT, how do you inform 26,000 people within less than 1-2 hours between the time of 8-10am?? If you can come up with an answer to that question I would suggest that you patent and sell you product.
The school sent out an email, bulk emails DO take time to send, they sent out mass text messages to those that they could, Had R.A's call as many people as possible, and sounded a siren in the dorm in which the shooting occurred.. Had they shut down the campus, do you think that this wouldn't have happened? No.. He just would have waited until the next day..
Again, TGT, hindsight is 20/20.
You can look at the University, or the police dept. and say "they should have done something differently.."
But blaming either the school or the police is just completely outrageous.. There was nothing within their power that they could have done.. Could they have let the students know before they did? Maybe.. BUT, how do you inform 26,000 people within less than 1-2 hours between the time of 8-10am?? If you can come up with an answer to that question I would suggest that you patent and sell you product.
The school sent out an email, bulk emails DO take time to send, they sent out mass text messages to those that they could, Had R.A's call as many people as possible, and sounded a siren in the dorm in which the shooting occurred.. Had they shut down the campus, do you think that this wouldn't have happened? No.. He just would have waited until the next day..
Again, TGT, hindsight is 20/20.
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04-18-2007 | 03:34 PM
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damn dude, do you seriously get dumber each time you post?
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04-18-2007 | 03:36 PM
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Well the warning signs are starting to add now aren't they? I'm just saying, without knowing all the details when first hearing of the tragedy, I believed that it was a student and the same one in both instances. This wasn't just some hold up on campus and stolen wallet. This was a planned MURDER and I sure as hell would have liked to have known about as soon as it happened so that I could ensure my own safety. If someone is capable of killing 2 people like that, they are certainly capable of killing more. Considering he was still at large after the first round, and the fact that he looked like a student, the campus should have been put on lockdown to find him, bottom line. I know there was the whole "we had reason to believe he left campus." Well whatever information they had or grounds for believing that were false, as he had in fact not left campus. So therefore, whoever told them that or whatever should be held accountable, as it cost the school more lives. The police's right is to serve and protect. They sure didn't do a lot of protecting that day.
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lol.
Why dont you in your infinate wisdom explain what they SHOULD have done, then please think about the logistics of it, find a single time in history where there was a double murder followed by a mass killing to set the precident
forget mty last post. im getting dumber. every time i read your posts
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04-18-2007 | 03:37 PM
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im done with this thread, and im done discussing things with peiople like tangerine who just want tyo sit around and blame everyone else for situations they had no control over.
go lobby about something else, aint nobody buying what yer saying.
im out of this thread.
go lobby about something else, aint nobody buying what yer saying.
im out of this thread.
#51
04-18-2007 | 07:30 PM
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im done with this thread, and im done discussing things with peiople like tangerine who just want tyo sit around and blame everyone else for situations they had no control over.
go lobby about something else, aint nobody buying what yer saying.
im out of this thread.
go lobby about something else, aint nobody buying what yer saying.
im out of this thread.
We will see what happens as everything moves forward.
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04-18-2007 | 07:53 PM
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Well actually I responded initially to a thread that felt the same as me and others have chimed in with the same views. I ain't selling anything. I am just telling it like it is, from my perspective. I'm not looking for you to buy it. I don't understand why all the bashing has to take place if we are just expressing opinions. I never bashed you guys, called you idiots, or anything like that. I just said that I was right. Sorry that I was able to figure it all out, but to me it was quite obvious. Sorry things don't come as easily to you. I am just pointing out where I feel those in charge fell short. It is no different than people bashing Bush, as I have already stated.
We will see what happens as everything moves forward.
Scott
We will see what happens as everything moves forward.
Scott
Congrats for not being slow.
There was really never any question as to weather or not the shooters were the same or different people. So congratulations on being so bright you caught on to the obvious.
All you have done is regurgitate what was already known, and all over tv.
So are you saying you knew about the first 2 killings immediatly, and you forsaw the future and knew he was gonna kill another 30 people?
no you diddnt, to claim any different makes you a liar. plain and simple.
this was not something forseeable, all i see form you is fingerpointing to the school claiming they diddnt do enough to notify people. Simplistic judgement without any thought as to what could have been done better. I dont see crap coming from you as far as what they could or should have done. 26,000 students? 100 buildings? 900 living on campus?
Ok genius. How long would it take to secure the entire school?
They had NO idea who they were looking for, he was a studen, and had a student ID, he could have easily made it back to his locked down dorm if they would have shut it all down and killed everyone there.
yer just another ignorant armchair jockey who would rather sit there all high and mighty and point blame rather than get off yer *** and make a single suggestion as to what else they could have done.
Call each student? sure. start calling 26,000 numbers, let me know how long that will take.
They sent out EMAILS while not completly reliable EMAIL is the FIRST thing most people check when they get to school or class. With the world of cellular phones, text messaging, and instant messaging hell, WHY DONT YOU TELL EVERYONE IN YOUR ENLIGHTENED AWESOMENESS WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE BETTER?
all you are doing is spouting out the same crap as the media frenzy.
Please, try to educate yourself, and try to look at situations with a bit of logic, that is, if you are old ennough to manage that.
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04-18-2007 | 08:28 PM
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Well actually I responded initially to a thread that felt the same as me and others have chimed in with the same views. I ain't selling anything. I am just telling it like it is, from my perspective. I'm not looking for you to buy it. I don't understand why all the bashing has to take place if we are just expressing opinions. I never bashed you guys, called you idiots, or anything like that. I just said that I was right. Sorry that I was able to figure it all out, but to me it was quite obvious. Sorry things don't come as easily to you. I am just pointing out where I feel those in charge fell short. It is no different than people bashing Bush, as I have already stated.
We will see what happens as everything moves forward.
Scott
We will see what happens as everything moves forward.
Scott
But, no.. you're right.. We should blame the school for allowing all of this to happen.. It's their fault, they should have hired mind readers to go through each student and find out if they were going to go on a shooting rampage..
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04-18-2007 | 08:46 PM
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LOL!!!! It all came to you in what? an epiphany? As soon as they heared about the killings the police made the connection. So whoop de doo, you figure out what the rest of the world figured out at the same damn time.
Congrats for not being slow.
There was really never any question as to weather or not the shooters were the same or different people. So congratulations on being so bright you caught on to the obvious.
All you have done is regurgitate what was already known, and all over tv.
So are you saying you knew about the first 2 killings immediatly, and you forsaw the future and knew he was gonna kill another 30 people?
no you diddnt, to claim any different makes you a liar. plain and simple.
this was not something forseeable, all i see form you is fingerpointing to the school claiming they diddnt do enough to notify people. Simplistic judgement without any thought as to what could have been done better. I dont see crap coming from you as far as what they could or should have done. 26,000 students? 100 buildings? 900 living on campus?
Ok genius. How long would it take to secure the entire school?
They had NO idea who they were looking for, he was a studen, and had a student ID, he could have easily made it back to his locked down dorm if they would have shut it all down and killed everyone there.
yer just another ignorant armchair jockey who would rather sit there all high and mighty and point blame rather than get off yer *** and make a single suggestion as to what else they could have done.
Call each student? sure. start calling 26,000 numbers, let me know how long that will take.
They sent out EMAILS while not completly reliable EMAIL is the FIRST thing most people check when they get to school or class. With the world of cellular phones, text messaging, and instant messaging hell, WHY DONT YOU TELL EVERYONE IN YOUR ENLIGHTENED AWESOMENESS WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE BETTER?
all you are doing is spouting out the same crap as the media frenzy.
Please, try to educate yourself, and try to look at situations with a bit of logic, that is, if you are old ennough to manage that.
idiot
Congrats for not being slow.
There was really never any question as to weather or not the shooters were the same or different people. So congratulations on being so bright you caught on to the obvious.
All you have done is regurgitate what was already known, and all over tv.
So are you saying you knew about the first 2 killings immediatly, and you forsaw the future and knew he was gonna kill another 30 people?
no you diddnt, to claim any different makes you a liar. plain and simple.
this was not something forseeable, all i see form you is fingerpointing to the school claiming they diddnt do enough to notify people. Simplistic judgement without any thought as to what could have been done better. I dont see crap coming from you as far as what they could or should have done. 26,000 students? 100 buildings? 900 living on campus?
Ok genius. How long would it take to secure the entire school?
They had NO idea who they were looking for, he was a studen, and had a student ID, he could have easily made it back to his locked down dorm if they would have shut it all down and killed everyone there.
yer just another ignorant armchair jockey who would rather sit there all high and mighty and point blame rather than get off yer *** and make a single suggestion as to what else they could have done.
Call each student? sure. start calling 26,000 numbers, let me know how long that will take.
They sent out EMAILS while not completly reliable EMAIL is the FIRST thing most people check when they get to school or class. With the world of cellular phones, text messaging, and instant messaging hell, WHY DONT YOU TELL EVERYONE IN YOUR ENLIGHTENED AWESOMENESS WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE BETTER?
all you are doing is spouting out the same crap as the media frenzy.
Please, try to educate yourself, and try to look at situations with a bit of logic, that is, if you are old ennough to manage that.
idiot
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04-18-2007 | 08:53 PM
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It scares me to think that someone with your logic has the right to be behind the wheel of a car.. If you got in a rollover accident because you were driving drunk, you'd prob. sue the state for allowing beer to be sold, and then sue the company that sold the beer. Stating that it was their fault, because without them brewing and selling the beer you wouldn't have been drunk... Right?
But, no.. you're right.. We should blame the school for allowing all of this to happen.. It's their fault, they should have hired mind readers to go through each student and find out if they were going to go on a shooting rampage..
But, no.. you're right.. We should blame the school for allowing all of this to happen.. It's their fault, they should have hired mind readers to go through each student and find out if they were going to go on a shooting rampage..
You miss the whole point and think that you have my entire life philosophy figured out over my opinion of one incident. You must be somehow related with the incident or something to be taking everything so personal. I am just saying that clearly lives could have been saved if people in power had handled the situation differently. I agree, what is done is done, and those people are not coming back. The guy is definitely rotting in hell right now (for those who believe in hell), but I am simply saying that it seemed logical to me for it to have been the same person in both cases. Why can't you get over that? It's just what I thought at the time.
As for being sarcastic about knowing before he would go on a rampage, how about all the signs that are popping up that are classic signs of mass murderers. You want to talk about it being the largest in history or whatnot, it is still a mass murder. He was a loner. He was writing questionable things in English class, he was accused of stalking 2 girls, I mean he was even labeled by a court to be of danger to himself but yet was not committed to the mental institution. I mean all the facts add up.
Scott
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04-18-2007 | 08:56 PM
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It scares me to think that someone with your logic has the right to be behind the wheel of a car.. If you got in a rollover accident because you were driving drunk, you'd prob. sue the state for allowing beer to be sold, and then sue the company that sold the beer. Stating that it was their fault, because without them brewing and selling the beer you wouldn't have been drunk... Right?
But, no.. you're right.. We should blame the school for allowing all of this to happen.. It's their fault, they should have hired mind readers to go through each student and find out if they were going to go on a shooting rampage..
But, no.. you're right.. We should blame the school for allowing all of this to happen.. It's their fault, they should have hired mind readers to go through each student and find out if they were going to go on a shooting rampage..
because, now, we know, that all double murders will obviously result in 30 addutional homocides in a few hours.
God bless america.
Rather than people sitting around pointing fingers and trying to ruin other peoples lives just as a cherry on top of this 32 murder sundae extravaganza, how about we take a look at this total ****up who actually did the shooting, put the blame on him, and as im sure the school is already doing, create a focus group to analyze the logistics of shutting down the whole school and creating emergency situations in case another completly unprecedented style of mass murder occurs.
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04-18-2007 | 09:00 PM
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UHHHH yeah there was a question about whether or not it was the same person. I was in the computer lab on campus when I got an email alert from the Wall Street Journal online discussing it and every article we could bring up stated that it was unknown whether or not the 2 incidents were even related, so get your facts straight *** before you start trying to say that I am trying to take credit for something that was already known. Even your buddy wnracing came back at me in a post saying that they didn't yet know if the incidents were related, and that was later that afternoon when he posted that.
Scott
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The fact it was not confirmed does not mean it was not speculated and heavily considered. Not to mention, how would they expect he would go out and kill 31 more people?
And you constantly say they should have handled it better, rather than being an armchair jockey why dont you tell us exactly how.
In fact, i got a better idea, Why dont you tell me HOW they could have POSSIBLY have informed students better than email? in a small town, where everyone has cellphones, pda's, and text messaging. why dont you tell us a better way to get the information out than to email it to every student and faculty in the whole school?
Also, what should they have done after the double murder? lockdown the school? the guy was still there. All they would have done is ushered him to a dormatory or other area where he could have easily killed as many.
And hell, i dunno if he lived on campus or not, but even if he diddnt, this guy was bound and determined to kill as many people as possible. Tell us all how they should have reacted. Please. Enlighten us with your wisdom and expertize of emergency situations of this caliber of which im sure you have extensive experience handling.
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04-18-2007 | 09:01 PM
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Im just going to go ahead and stop.. Scott, I don't have any problems with you at all, infact I think we have agreed on things in the past.. It just bothers me that in most every thread you post in you believe you're right, no matter what..
I believe that in the fact that he had mental issues then the school could have tried to do something more.. BUT you're talking about alot of berriers, as far as I know he was foreign, possibly an exchange student, or here on a students visa so the authorities had to be careful in how they treated the situation (as far as his mental health..)
Anyway.. At this point, I am just going to agree to disagree with you.
-Evan
I believe that in the fact that he had mental issues then the school could have tried to do something more.. BUT you're talking about alot of berriers, as far as I know he was foreign, possibly an exchange student, or here on a students visa so the authorities had to be careful in how they treated the situation (as far as his mental health..)
Anyway.. At this point, I am just going to agree to disagree with you.
-Evan
#59
04-18-2007 | 09:03 PM
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Jack...What the f*** is your problem? Did I say that every 1-2 person murder would escalate into mass murder? NO, so stop f***ing putting words in my mouth. I am just saying, there were signs that he was not right. I realize that no one knew at the very beginning who it was, but my point is that it doesn't seem like a very good effort was put into finding, at that time, the anonymous killer. If he were described as a college student, where would be best fit in? A COLLEGE CAMPUS. Makes perfect F***ING sense to me.
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04-18-2007 | 09:06 PM
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Im just going to go ahead and stop.. Scott, I don't have any problems with you at all, infact I think we have agreed on things in the past.. It just bothers me that in most every thread you post in you believe you're right, no matter what..
I believe that in the fact that he had mental issues then the school could have tried to do something more.. BUT you're talking about alot of berriers, as far as I know he was foreign, possibly an exchange student, or here on a students visa so the authorities had to be careful in how they treated the situation (as far as his mental health..)
Anyway.. At this point, I am just going to agree to disagree with you.
-Evan
I believe that in the fact that he had mental issues then the school could have tried to do something more.. BUT you're talking about alot of berriers, as far as I know he was foreign, possibly an exchange student, or here on a students visa so the authorities had to be careful in how they treated the situation (as far as his mental health..)
Anyway.. At this point, I am just going to agree to disagree with you.
-Evan
Scott
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