Whats wrong with kids these days
#31
03-27-2007, 04:49 PM
so are you like a rich boy or something?
lol
and I'm not sure on that police issue .40cal thing, from what I've read the 9mm is the standard police round, seeing as there is a much lesser chance of the bullet going in and out and having lethal force once it's gone through a target, making it less dangerous to use
lol
and I'm not sure on that police issue .40cal thing, from what I've read the 9mm is the standard police round, seeing as there is a much lesser chance of the bullet going in and out and having lethal force once it's gone through a target, making it less dangerous to use
#32
03-27-2007, 05:06 PM
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Standard issue for cops should be Desert Eagles. That would be tight. I thought cops were gonna start carrying glocks? Something I heard from my friend whos husband is a cop.
#33
03-27-2007, 05:16 PM
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yeah, problem with that is if the cop shoots a suspect in an apartment, the bullet very well may go through the perp, the wall, into the next apartment, and possible kill somone. lol
#34
03-27-2007, 05:32 PM
9mm is no ***** round, if the suspect is not wearing armor. If the suspect is wearing armor, it's likely that he'll have some heat that would require the LE officers to use something a little more potent than any handgun, which is why some carry M4's in their trunks =\
but you have to remember police aren't out there to kill people with their firearms, their sidearms are mostly just a form of intimidation, or defense (in LE use)
#35
03-27-2007, 05:36 PM
I've seen pictures of a suspect who was shot in the face by an officer, the 9mm round lodged right above his upper jaw and didn't kill him. If that had been a .40 or .45 he'd have been dead.
I think a Desert Eagle would get pretty cumbersome to carry for an officer too there haha. They weigh a ton and are by no means small.
I think a Desert Eagle would get pretty cumbersome to carry for an officer too there haha. They weigh a ton and are by no means small.
#36
03-27-2007, 05:41 PM
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No police departments are wising up and using .40cals now because 9mm's are pansy rounds and don't do anything when it comes right down to it. A .40 MIGHT penetrate, but it wouldn't do much damage after it exited the person it hit. A 9mm wouldn't penetrate, probably wouldn't stop, and more than likely wouldn't kill the person either unless it was a well placed shot. Unfortunately statistics show police officers in shooting situations kinda suck when it comes to aiming.
to what.... a bear?... an elephant?
you mean to tell me you think that if somone shot you a couple times in the chest with a 9mm that yer gonna shrug it off like nothing happened?
I have a buddy who was shot by a 9mm 7 times and point blank, he lived but barely, thank god the party he was at was 8 blocks from the hospital, and the fact that the bullets missed all his major organs, and he was EXTREMLY lucky. LOL however several of the rounds went straight through him. He is about 6ft 2in and a solid 195lbs, not a massive guy but certainly not small either. He still has one in his arm that has traveled about a foot down his arm since the shooting. doctors wont remove it untill it is right under the skin, it is making progress. LOL!!!!
Anyways, good luck telling that ex army-airborne that he got shot by a ***** gun, he'd probably kick yer ***. lol
the purpose is not to KILL the suspect, THAT is something that police departments are trying to get away from. Minimum amount of force necissary is what they try for. Not to blow a hole in somebody the size of a salad bowl.
thats why there is such a huge focus on non lethal weapons.
The cops job is to apprehend, not kill.
Many police departments are re-examining what type of gun/ammunition they are using, but it is not because the 9mm is a pansy round, it is cause they are constantly on the lookout for a new form of protection that will be safer for the cop and any bystanders, and with any luck NOT kill the perp unless absolutly necessary so he can be brought in, tried, and convicted. The goal is to bring them in alive. There are LOTS of groups developing new less-than-lethal alternatives as well as safer lethal firearms that have shown to be rather effective in thier job and that has spawned a lot of interest.
it aint cause a 9mm is a pansy round. lol..... There are just other firearms and ammunition that have proven to be a little more efficient and safer to bystanders
#38
03-27-2007, 05:47 PM
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a 9 mm is a pansy round and dont do anything when it comes down to it?
to what.... a bear?... an elephant?
you mean to tell me you think that if somone shot you a couple times in the chest with a 9mm that yer gonna shrug it off like nothing happened?
I have a buddy who was shot by a 9mm 7 times and point blank, he lived but barely, thank god the party he was at was 8 blocks from the hospital, and the fact that the bullets missed all his major organs, and he was EXTREMLY lucky. LOL however several of the rounds went straight through him. He is about 6ft 2in and a solid 195lbs, not a massive guy but certainly not small either. He still has one in his arm that has traveled about a foot down his arm since the shooting. doctors wont remove it untill it is right under the skin, it is making progress. LOL!!!!
Anyways, good luck telling that ex army-airborne that he got shot by a ***** gun, he'd probably kick yer ***. lol
the purpose is not to KILL the suspect, THAT is something that police departments are trying to get away from. Minimum amount of force necissary is what they try for. Not to blow a hole in somebody the size of a salad bowl.
thats why there is such a huge focus on non lethal weapons.
The cops job is to apprehend, not kill.
Many police departments are re-examining what type of gun/ammunition they are using, but it is not because the 9mm is a pansy round, it is cause they are constantly on the lookout for a new form of protection that will be safer for the cop and any bystanders, and with any luck NOT kill the perp unless absolutly necessary so he can be brought in, tried, and convicted. The goal is to bring them in alive. There are LOTS of groups developing new less-than-lethal alternatives as well as safer lethal firearms that have shown to be rather effective in thier job and that has spawned a lot of interest.
it aint cause a 9mm is a pansy round. lol..... There are just other firearms and ammunition that have proven to be a little more efficient and safer to bystanders
to what.... a bear?... an elephant?
you mean to tell me you think that if somone shot you a couple times in the chest with a 9mm that yer gonna shrug it off like nothing happened?
I have a buddy who was shot by a 9mm 7 times and point blank, he lived but barely, thank god the party he was at was 8 blocks from the hospital, and the fact that the bullets missed all his major organs, and he was EXTREMLY lucky. LOL however several of the rounds went straight through him. He is about 6ft 2in and a solid 195lbs, not a massive guy but certainly not small either. He still has one in his arm that has traveled about a foot down his arm since the shooting. doctors wont remove it untill it is right under the skin, it is making progress. LOL!!!!
Anyways, good luck telling that ex army-airborne that he got shot by a ***** gun, he'd probably kick yer ***. lol
the purpose is not to KILL the suspect, THAT is something that police departments are trying to get away from. Minimum amount of force necissary is what they try for. Not to blow a hole in somebody the size of a salad bowl.
thats why there is such a huge focus on non lethal weapons.
The cops job is to apprehend, not kill.
Many police departments are re-examining what type of gun/ammunition they are using, but it is not because the 9mm is a pansy round, it is cause they are constantly on the lookout for a new form of protection that will be safer for the cop and any bystanders, and with any luck NOT kill the perp unless absolutly necessary so he can be brought in, tried, and convicted. The goal is to bring them in alive. There are LOTS of groups developing new less-than-lethal alternatives as well as safer lethal firearms that have shown to be rather effective in thier job and that has spawned a lot of interest.
it aint cause a 9mm is a pansy round. lol..... There are just other firearms and ammunition that have proven to be a little more efficient and safer to bystanders
#39
03-27-2007, 05:57 PM
This was from Friday, my first time firing a 9mm handgun (or any handgun for that matter)
I took 5 shots at 15 yards and managed with this
(the circled holes are of the 5)
I'm pretty sure if that was a person he'd be pretty much ****ed
I got that bullseye, too =)
I took 5 shots at 15 yards and managed with this
(the circled holes are of the 5)
I'm pretty sure if that was a person he'd be pretty much ****ed
I got that bullseye, too =)
#41
03-27-2007, 09:04 PM
Here they are using a glock .40 .. not because the 9mm is a pansy round.. ANY round isn't a pansy round.. it was because it traveled so fast that it would actually exit the body and continue moving. The .40 Cal has just enough knockdown power that it doesn't blow a hole through someone ..
Size does matter, but not completely..I mean... a .45 is bigger than a .357 .. but a .357 bullet with the right amount of grains will peirce straight through a v8.. cops are more concerned about being able to knock down the suspect in one shot, not multiples.
If Jacks buddy got hit 7 times by something like a .45... he probably woudln't be alive..
Over here they are thinking about testing out the S&W instead of the glock..
And Cola, for your Bs "so what you're a rich boy" statement. No, I work damned hard for the money I have, I got the truck because it'd be kinda hard to tow around a 5000lb trailer with a mustang =) I carry company cash when needed for buying materials ( in the bulk depending on the job I'm doing. )
Size does matter, but not completely..I mean... a .45 is bigger than a .357 .. but a .357 bullet with the right amount of grains will peirce straight through a v8.. cops are more concerned about being able to knock down the suspect in one shot, not multiples.
If Jacks buddy got hit 7 times by something like a .45... he probably woudln't be alive..
Over here they are thinking about testing out the S&W instead of the glock..
And Cola, for your Bs "so what you're a rich boy" statement. No, I work damned hard for the money I have, I got the truck because it'd be kinda hard to tow around a 5000lb trailer with a mustang =) I carry company cash when needed for buying materials ( in the bulk depending on the job I'm doing. )
#44
03-28-2007, 09:10 AM
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if I was a cop these would be my weapons of choice.
The .44 as my ankle gun and then the .50 as my side arm. Hell yeah bitches!
The .44 as my ankle gun and then the .50 as my side arm. Hell yeah bitches!
#45
03-28-2007, 11:20 AM
a 9 mm is a pansy round and dont do anything when it comes down to it?
to what.... a bear?... an elephant?
you mean to tell me you think that if somone shot you a couple times in the chest with a 9mm that yer gonna shrug it off like nothing happened?
I have a buddy who was shot by a 9mm 7 times and point blank, he lived but barely, thank god the party he was at was 8 blocks from the hospital, and the fact that the bullets missed all his major organs, and he was EXTREMLY lucky. LOL however several of the rounds went straight through him. He is about 6ft 2in and a solid 195lbs, not a massive guy but certainly not small either. He still has one in his arm that has traveled about a foot down his arm since the shooting. doctors wont remove it untill it is right under the skin, it is making progress. LOL!!!!
Anyways, good luck telling that ex army-airborne that he got shot by a ***** gun, he'd probably kick yer ***. lol
the purpose is not to KILL the suspect, THAT is something that police departments are trying to get away from. Minimum amount of force necissary is what they try for. Not to blow a hole in somebody the size of a salad bowl.
thats why there is such a huge focus on non lethal weapons.
The cops job is to apprehend, not kill.
Many police departments are re-examining what type of gun/ammunition they are using, but it is not because the 9mm is a pansy round, it is cause they are constantly on the lookout for a new form of protection that will be safer for the cop and any bystanders, and with any luck NOT kill the perp unless absolutly necessary so he can be brought in, tried, and convicted. The goal is to bring them in alive. There are LOTS of groups developing new less-than-lethal alternatives as well as safer lethal firearms that have shown to be rather effective in thier job and that has spawned a lot of interest.
it aint cause a 9mm is a pansy round. lol..... There are just other firearms and ammunition that have proven to be a little more efficient and safer to bystanders
to what.... a bear?... an elephant?
you mean to tell me you think that if somone shot you a couple times in the chest with a 9mm that yer gonna shrug it off like nothing happened?
I have a buddy who was shot by a 9mm 7 times and point blank, he lived but barely, thank god the party he was at was 8 blocks from the hospital, and the fact that the bullets missed all his major organs, and he was EXTREMLY lucky. LOL however several of the rounds went straight through him. He is about 6ft 2in and a solid 195lbs, not a massive guy but certainly not small either. He still has one in his arm that has traveled about a foot down his arm since the shooting. doctors wont remove it untill it is right under the skin, it is making progress. LOL!!!!
Anyways, good luck telling that ex army-airborne that he got shot by a ***** gun, he'd probably kick yer ***. lol
the purpose is not to KILL the suspect, THAT is something that police departments are trying to get away from. Minimum amount of force necissary is what they try for. Not to blow a hole in somebody the size of a salad bowl.
thats why there is such a huge focus on non lethal weapons.
The cops job is to apprehend, not kill.
Many police departments are re-examining what type of gun/ammunition they are using, but it is not because the 9mm is a pansy round, it is cause they are constantly on the lookout for a new form of protection that will be safer for the cop and any bystanders, and with any luck NOT kill the perp unless absolutly necessary so he can be brought in, tried, and convicted. The goal is to bring them in alive. There are LOTS of groups developing new less-than-lethal alternatives as well as safer lethal firearms that have shown to be rather effective in thier job and that has spawned a lot of interest.
it aint cause a 9mm is a pansy round. lol..... There are just other firearms and ammunition that have proven to be a little more efficient and safer to bystanders
A .40 has more stopping power is more what I was trying to say. You're not going to see someone walk away from a .40 or .45 in the face... Sometimes the police DO need to use deadly force, and I'm pretty sure they'd prefer having a weapon that will do the job rather than emptying an entire magazine out on a meth/crack/heroined/who knows what else psychopath who doesn't feel the bullets ripping him apart. If they want to subdue somebody they can use their rubberized bullet guns, gas, or tazers. When they draw and use their sidearm they more than likely are intending to shoot to kill, be it for personal protection or the safety of others.
#46
03-28-2007, 12:21 PM
im 17 years old. junior in high school and i sware to god every single kid i see i think is the biggest dumbass ever. First kid walks by.....dumbass. second kid walks by.......bigger dumbass........third kid walks by and makes the first look like a saint. and it keeps going and eventually the last bell rings and i get outta school. my city sucks
#47
03-28-2007, 12:53 PM
I blame it on the parents! If parents would take the time to teach their kids some respect a lot of these things wouldn't happen. Someone mentioned it earlier, but my parents always said respect your elders and kids today could give a fvck.....not all of course cause there are a lot of good kids out there.
Kids also know that if an adult takes action to knock a little sense into them they can call the cops or CPS, whereas when I was a kid that **** didn't happen.....I'm only 29 so it wasn't that long ago. ha ha
Kids also know that if an adult takes action to knock a little sense into them they can call the cops or CPS, whereas when I was a kid that **** didn't happen.....I'm only 29 so it wasn't that long ago. ha ha
#48
03-28-2007, 02:20 PM
that's the crux of the matter. I am a fully qualified grown-up now and I don't give any real credit to people older than me beyond simple respect and an expectation of reciprocal behaviour. As a kid and into my early 20's I gave respect to my elders just like I was taught, and just like I teach my kids to do.
Now then... this 9mm debate is so over. I know for a fact that 9mm is a solid reliable and appropriate round for police or anyone to use. The fact of the matter is that any bullet properly placed will be effective. Having taken a bullet in the past (a .38 special low velocity at that) I can say without question that once shot you know you're shot and you'll start thinking about whether getting shot again is really a good thing. I got shot with realy "*****" guns and it stopped me in my tracks long enough to take care of the wound and plan my vengeance.
there is no pistol bullet in the world that will "knock down" anyone. You can cause someone to fall where they stand by shutting down an important system like hydraulics(heart) or central nervous system but you're not knocking **** down. pistol bullets just can't do that.
Now there is truth in bigger hole = better. Mo-bigguh hole means a more sudden shock to the system and a bigger blood loss both of which stop fights faster.
Like this one time hunting with my dad. I took a bead on this cantering (think jogging) doe from 750yrds or so and let fly with a .338-50 round. the doe was vaporized and yet the parts that filled the air continued to move forward at the rate the deer was moving to begin with. I didn't stop the critter... I evaporated it. The same thing happens when you scale things up. If there's enough energy to stop motion, there's enough to cause hydrostatic shock sufficient to spontaneously boil every drop of water in your target's body (the explosion you see when you use a .223 on a squirrel is similar).
I use .45's because I'm really good with them and the guns it fits in fit my hand well. If I were a smaller guy I'd use a .357sig or a 40 or a 9mm (probably a 9 as ammo is much cheaper).
And lastly... yes. When I get cranky everybody in my path has an equal chance to move away from the blast zone. I'm one of those guys that stays spooky calm until it's too late and then I lose all control of my ability to reason between an argument and a full blown to-the-death fight. By the time I'm sure there's gunna be a fight, I'm already on my way to throwing the 2nd punch. It's a personality flaw but I'm happy with me.
Now then... this 9mm debate is so over. I know for a fact that 9mm is a solid reliable and appropriate round for police or anyone to use. The fact of the matter is that any bullet properly placed will be effective. Having taken a bullet in the past (a .38 special low velocity at that) I can say without question that once shot you know you're shot and you'll start thinking about whether getting shot again is really a good thing. I got shot with realy "*****" guns and it stopped me in my tracks long enough to take care of the wound and plan my vengeance.
there is no pistol bullet in the world that will "knock down" anyone. You can cause someone to fall where they stand by shutting down an important system like hydraulics(heart) or central nervous system but you're not knocking **** down. pistol bullets just can't do that.
Now there is truth in bigger hole = better. Mo-bigguh hole means a more sudden shock to the system and a bigger blood loss both of which stop fights faster.
Like this one time hunting with my dad. I took a bead on this cantering (think jogging) doe from 750yrds or so and let fly with a .338-50 round. the doe was vaporized and yet the parts that filled the air continued to move forward at the rate the deer was moving to begin with. I didn't stop the critter... I evaporated it. The same thing happens when you scale things up. If there's enough energy to stop motion, there's enough to cause hydrostatic shock sufficient to spontaneously boil every drop of water in your target's body (the explosion you see when you use a .223 on a squirrel is similar).
I use .45's because I'm really good with them and the guns it fits in fit my hand well. If I were a smaller guy I'd use a .357sig or a 40 or a 9mm (probably a 9 as ammo is much cheaper).
And lastly... yes. When I get cranky everybody in my path has an equal chance to move away from the blast zone. I'm one of those guys that stays spooky calm until it's too late and then I lose all control of my ability to reason between an argument and a full blown to-the-death fight. By the time I'm sure there's gunna be a fight, I'm already on my way to throwing the 2nd punch. It's a personality flaw but I'm happy with me.
#49
03-28-2007, 02:27 PM
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I blame it on the parents! If parents would take the time to teach their kids some respect a lot of these things wouldn't happen. Someone mentioned it earlier, but my parents always said respect your elders and kids today could give a fvck.....not all of course cause there are a lot of good kids out there.
Kids also know that if an adult takes action to knock a little sense into them they can call the cops or CPS, whereas when I was a kid that **** didn't happen.....I'm only 29 so it wasn't that long ago. ha ha
Kids also know that if an adult takes action to knock a little sense into them they can call the cops or CPS, whereas when I was a kid that **** didn't happen.....I'm only 29 so it wasn't that long ago. ha ha
I aint gonna sit and say my parents beat me or smacked me around, but they certainly did dicipline me when i was out of control and in methods that would probably get them in a lot of trouble if CPS caught them doing it now, while back then it was just the normal way to raise a kid.
I take a look at how me and my friends were raised, and i take a look at this new generation of kids (all present company excluded of course) and quite frankly im worried that they wont have the necessary mental tools to get through life and its hardships.
When i got an F on a math test, that means i FAILED the test, i did NOT get a chance to re-take it and i had to deal with the consequences that were impacted to my GPA.
Now days cant kids just re-take a test untill they get it right? Well guess what, you cant keep failing at your job and expect a another chance.
Now what the HELL is that supposed to teach them? It gives them the unrealistic view that life should be fair. They need to learn not only the subject matter but the concept that an important task is worth putting the effort in to suceed the first time, because in the real world you dont get that many chances.
anyone who has been on thier own for any amount of time realizes the fact that life is NOT fair, and just because you were too damn lazy in school to be bothered to put any serious effort in your highschool career and everyone bent backwards to make sure you got what you needed, well, this is real life and it dont work that way. But have fun complaining in the unemployment line, im sure they will care.
as far as kids relationships with parents goes, i love my parents. I feel they did a world class of raising me and my brother. neither of us has a criminal record, we are both hard workers and we are both pretty successful in life, at least financially stable that is. My brother and i both loved our parents as kids, we also respected our parents and part of that respect is the fact that we FEARED our parents as well.
Fear and Pain are both extremly effective learning mechanisms, the problem is it is a knife edge between dicipline and abuse, however most parents seem to get it right, however the idiot parents out there who blatantly go too far cause unrest which spawns these goddamn lobbiests who want to tell you how to live your life and raise your child, RAISE YOUR CHILD OUR WAY OR WE WILL TAKE YOUR CHILD AWAY, with this giant Policitally Correct movement in the mix, the result is the CPS which is loaded with **** hippies who probably dont even have thier own kids and expect to sit and tell parents that spanking is bad, telling your kid no is bad, diciplining your kid is bad, yelling at your kid is bad.
And the result of this?
The result is the parents are too goddamn afraid to appropriatly dicipline thier kids because eveyone knows CPS can take your children from you, so in ortder to keep thier children they sacrifice the utilization of fear and pain as necessary learning tools and without the negative the fear and respect very well may never develop, or only develop partially.
The end product is a bunch of spoiled assed young adults who expect the entire world to bend over backwards and accommodate them and expect everything to be fair. They are not prepared for the vigorous tests of living in the real world, the setbacks, heartache, and troubles a healthy balanced adult is capable of handling.
the only thing that isnt fair is that mommy and daddy were not allowed to yell at them and spank them.
lol.....
BTW, this does not apply to all people. there are definatly top notch parents out there with wonderful kids who will groww up to be great people. i just think while in the past maybe 1 out of 50 kids was a complete disrespectful pain in the ***, nowadays i would say it is near 1 in 5. Still the minority
#50
03-28-2007, 02:28 PM
there is no pistol bullet in the world that will "knock down" anyone. You can cause someone to fall where they stand by shutting down an important system like hydraulics(heart) or central nervous system but you're not knocking **** down. pistol bullets just can't do that.
My main argument is the fact that, when someone is on something, they don't necessarily know they are shot if it isn't a vital area. Thats why I'm saying 9mm's suck because they do relatively little damage to surrounding areas and thus don't have as much of the ability to stop someone in that situation. A larger caliber has a better tendency to hit/break a bone, or kill the person. I'd rather have a 9mm than nothing though that's for sure.
Interesting side story...My dad's coworker was hunting bear with a .357 mag way back. They ended up running into a mother bear with her cubs who wasn't too pleased and rushed them. They got to a high spot and turned around in time to shoot it in the skull from within 15 feet or so...bullet hit the skull and ricocheted off. How scary would that be? It pissed/dazed the bear enough that it backed off but imagine what you'd be thinking if you just shot something IN THE HEAD and it just got mad and left.
#51
03-28-2007, 02:49 PM
I know my parents raised me right. i know that i should respect everyone, older or younger. and all that good stuff, and i also have had to work and pay for half of my car. soo i don't just go trough and race my car, run red lights, or stop signs because its my car and if i mess it up it my money that i'm through away. and even on the road, i have had ppl make me come to a complete smoking tires holding wheel to keep from sliding too much because the cut me off, ro pulled out to far in a light and i just srug it off because my car (money) is ok.. i know alot of ppl that would speed past them and do something stupid like that. yeah i might be mad at the person from doing something stupid, but i don't show it.. on the road. i keep my rage for running or other things that are good to let my anger out with
#52
03-28-2007, 02:49 PM
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I don't think we were referring to "stopping power" as knocking someone off their feet. I know a bullet won't blow someone backwards, not even a shotgun will let alone a "wimpy" little pistol round.
My main argument is the fact that, when someone is on something, they don't necessarily know they are shot if it isn't a vital area. Thats why I'm saying 9mm's suck because they do relatively little damage to surrounding areas and thus don't have as much of the ability to stop someone in that situation. A larger caliber has a better tendency to hit/break a bone, or kill the person. I'd rather have a 9mm than nothing though that's for sure.
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My main argument is the fact that, when someone is on something, they don't necessarily know they are shot if it isn't a vital area. Thats why I'm saying 9mm's suck because they do relatively little damage to surrounding areas and thus don't have as much of the ability to stop someone in that situation. A larger caliber has a better tendency to hit/break a bone, or kill the person. I'd rather have a 9mm than nothing though that's for sure.
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While it is true, a hippy loaded on PCP is not going to feel pain, at that point it is probably not the size of slug that will matter but the number shot into them.
to somone totally loaded on PCP or who has been cracked out on meth for a week straight yer probably going to want at least a shotgun.
But the thing is what percentage of the time are they shooting at a hippie on PCP? seriously now.
When police use deadly force it is not to KILL, it is to STOP the suspect, if they get killed, then hey, **** happens, but the intent is not to be deadly and kill, deadly force is classified so because it has the serious potential to cause death.
Any cop who ever pulls his weapon with the intent to KILL the suspect needs to be stripped of his badge and kicked off the force and procecuted, because at that point he has appointed himself as judge jury and executioner, of which he is not qualified in any, and he has also removed the suspects right of due process and the right to a trial. If a cop shoots with the intent to kill, it is an execution, if he shoots with the intent of stopping the suspect and the suspect is injured and killed, then it is a result of an attempt to stop, not an attempt to kill.
The use of deadly force is a last resort, and should be used with the intent of STOPPING a victim, not killin him.
#53
03-28-2007, 11:27 PM
Even though the 9mm debate is pretty much over, nobody pointed out bullet selection either. a 9mm FMJ that is your standard issue might go straight through someone, But a 9mm JHP is gonna tumble and cause alot more damage including a pretty large exit wound. Then you've got specialty Brands like RBCD Platinum Plus ammunition which is a complete fragmentation round (As in it doesn't exit the body at all)
#54
03-29-2007, 08:25 AM
This isn't very relevant to the conversation but here are some photos of Lake County's SWAT team (Florida)
I'm sure if they run into some hippy loaded on angel dust in a house with a double barreled shotgun, the normal officers would just let these guys handle it..
I'm sure if they run into some hippy loaded on angel dust in a house with a double barreled shotgun, the normal officers would just let these guys handle it..
#57
04-01-2007, 05:12 PM
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lol.... if somone tried pulling one of those on me i would shove it up thier ***, business end first, all the way to the handle.