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Abortion... what is your opinion?
#31
10-26-2006, 10:40 AM
I feel there are very FEW reasons it should be illegal, those have already been stated though. Mainly rape, and I can see the extremely young girl thing, but Im sorry, you go around having sex, you know the end result.
#32
10-26-2006, 11:29 AM
Thats a load of crap, the baby has a heart beat... the fact of the matter is that it is killing another human being, for what? to better ones life, just like most MURDERS in this world.
and Jon on the statement by you, no child has conciousness of they existance until later on, Why dont you tell us about the day you were born and tell us how you knew of your existance and then tell us about stuff YOU remeber from ages 0-4, chances are you can rememebr anything, does that mean that someone should have murdered you?
According to you, you didnt undertand your existance on this earth until you statrted smoking weed
and Jon on the statement by you, no child has conciousness of they existance until later on, Why dont you tell us about the day you were born and tell us how you knew of your existance and then tell us about stuff YOU remeber from ages 0-4, chances are you can rememebr anything, does that mean that someone should have murdered you?
According to you, you didnt undertand your existance on this earth until you statrted smoking weed
This may sound corny, but I believe cannabis has changed me into a better person. I have a much broader point of view ( i can see things from everyones perspective), it has made me realize and recognize my responsibilties, i have a greater understanding of the reason of life and why I exist, and im a much calmer, nicer person.
#33
10-26-2006, 11:48 AM
Thats a load of crap, the baby has a heart beat... the fact of the matter is that it is killing another human being, for what? to better ones life, just like most MURDERS in this world.
and Jon on the statement by you, no child has conciousness of they existance until later on, Why dont you tell us about the day you were born and tell us how you knew of your existance and then tell us about stuff YOU remeber from ages 0-4, chances are you can rememebr anything, does that mean that someone should have murdered you?
According to you, you didnt undertand your existance on this earth until you statrted smoking weed
and Jon on the statement by you, no child has conciousness of they existance until later on, Why dont you tell us about the day you were born and tell us how you knew of your existance and then tell us about stuff YOU remeber from ages 0-4, chances are you can rememebr anything, does that mean that someone should have murdered you?
According to you, you didnt undertand your existance on this earth until you statrted smoking weed
retarded people have no conciousness of their own existence... lets go kill all them!
lol
#35
10-26-2006, 12:08 PM
Oh, believe me, I know... My Girlfriend (believe it or not) is actually allergic to something in condoms (whether it's the latex or the or the lubricant). We've talked to her doctor about it and she said that it is somthing that happens with alot of girls.
I look at this subject in alot of ways.. It kind of affects me close to home.. Because my girlfriend of 3 years had endometriosis and has already had surgery to try and correct it. This means that if this relationship actually makes it (which I plan on asking her to marry me in a couple of months) then we will probably never be able to have children..
It's just really hard to look at pro-choice as a good thing when I have this to look forward to..
I look at this subject in alot of ways.. It kind of affects me close to home.. Because my girlfriend of 3 years had endometriosis and has already had surgery to try and correct it. This means that if this relationship actually makes it (which I plan on asking her to marry me in a couple of months) then we will probably never be able to have children..
It's just really hard to look at pro-choice as a good thing when I have this to look forward to..
#37
10-26-2006, 04:07 PM
Pro-choice for sure. I agree with a lot of the things jack said and I just don't see how you could take the option away from someone. I feel like some of the issues could go both ways and since everyone has a different viewpoint then they should be able to decide themselves.
#38
10-26-2006, 04:20 PM
Where to start..
I'm Pro-Life. For the people that say it is not a living human until out of the womb, I think that's bull$hit. I'mm sure most of you have heard that if women play music to their stomach while pregnant, it will help the child develop stronger, etc. It's proved by research. Also the child can remember the songs that was played to him/her while they were in the womb. Isn't that consciosness? Damn close to it if it's not. That's been proven by research as well.
It is a difficult scenario if a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant. According to my faith, I believe it's wrong to have an abortion, but it's a VERY difficult question. I'm obviously not a woman, but from facts spoken by women, when they have an abortion they are tormented by what they've done through out their life.
At least if they give it up for adoption, they know their child will be safe, and will have the opportunity in the future to be re-united.
O, and as far as a 13 14 15 year old getting pregant... WHAT THE F**K WERE YOU DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE. That's just freaking rediculous, they should have the child no matter what.
I'm Pro-Life. For the people that say it is not a living human until out of the womb, I think that's bull$hit. I'mm sure most of you have heard that if women play music to their stomach while pregnant, it will help the child develop stronger, etc. It's proved by research. Also the child can remember the songs that was played to him/her while they were in the womb. Isn't that consciosness? Damn close to it if it's not. That's been proven by research as well.
It is a difficult scenario if a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant. According to my faith, I believe it's wrong to have an abortion, but it's a VERY difficult question. I'm obviously not a woman, but from facts spoken by women, when they have an abortion they are tormented by what they've done through out their life.
At least if they give it up for adoption, they know their child will be safe, and will have the opportunity in the future to be re-united.
O, and as far as a 13 14 15 year old getting pregant... WHAT THE F**K WERE YOU DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE. That's just freaking rediculous, they should have the child no matter what.
#39
10-26-2006, 04:28 PM
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When I got my ex pregnant we went through all this and eventually came to conclude that we had to abort the child.
Many reasons, Nor her nor I were at the right stage in life to handle a child, and we wern't going to have a child that we knew we would not be able to fully support. So pretty much why have a child that we know is not going to be able to have a good childhood. Also the reasons that it would make her drop out of school and get a job.
As far as other couples, same thing. I rather girls be getting abortions then them having children that they DONT want. Because that will just lead to them abusing the child, mistreating the child.
Specially at such a young age, look at all this, if i would of had a child then the child would of grown up without being with both parents. And I would of been paying child support. And I know my ex wouldn't of had been able to raise that child right. The day I have a child will be the day that im married with the right woman and I know that the child can grow up with both his parents in a nice financially free enviroment.
Many reasons, Nor her nor I were at the right stage in life to handle a child, and we wern't going to have a child that we knew we would not be able to fully support. So pretty much why have a child that we know is not going to be able to have a good childhood. Also the reasons that it would make her drop out of school and get a job.
As far as other couples, same thing. I rather girls be getting abortions then them having children that they DONT want. Because that will just lead to them abusing the child, mistreating the child.
Specially at such a young age, look at all this, if i would of had a child then the child would of grown up without being with both parents. And I would of been paying child support. And I know my ex wouldn't of had been able to raise that child right. The day I have a child will be the day that im married with the right woman and I know that the child can grow up with both his parents in a nice financially free enviroment.
#40
10-26-2006, 04:36 PM
When I got my ex pregnant we went through all this and eventually came to conclude that we had to abort the child.
Many reasons, Nor her nor I were at the right stage in life to handle a child, and we wern't going to have a child that we knew we would not be able to fully support. So pretty much why have a child that we know is not going to be able to have a good childhood. Also the reasons that it would make her drop out of school and get a job.
As far as other couples, same thing. I rather girls be getting abortions then them having children that they DONT want. Because that will just lead to them abusing the child, mistreating the child.
Specially at such a young age, look at all this, if i would of had a child then the child would of grown up without being with both parents. And I would of been paying child support. And I know my ex wouldn't of had been able to raise that child right. The day I have a child will be the day that im married with the right woman and I know that the child can grow up with both his parents in a nice financially free enviroment.
Many reasons, Nor her nor I were at the right stage in life to handle a child, and we wern't going to have a child that we knew we would not be able to fully support. So pretty much why have a child that we know is not going to be able to have a good childhood. Also the reasons that it would make her drop out of school and get a job.
As far as other couples, same thing. I rather girls be getting abortions then them having children that they DONT want. Because that will just lead to them abusing the child, mistreating the child.
Specially at such a young age, look at all this, if i would of had a child then the child would of grown up without being with both parents. And I would of been paying child support. And I know my ex wouldn't of had been able to raise that child right. The day I have a child will be the day that im married with the right woman and I know that the child can grow up with both his parents in a nice financially free enviroment.
that whole response was: I'm old enough to F but not mature enough to accept the responsibilties, so since im a bitch and cant handle the consequences im gonna kill the helpless child
Thats a load of Horse ****
#41
10-26-2006, 04:37 PM
When I got my ex pregnant we went through all this and eventually came to conclude that we had to abort the child.
Many reasons, Nor her nor I were at the right stage in life to handle a child, and we wern't going to have a child that we knew we would not be able to fully support. So pretty much why have a child that we know is not going to be able to have a good childhood. Also the reasons that it would make her drop out of school and get a job.
As far as other couples, same thing. I rather girls be getting abortions then them having children that they DONT want. Because that will just lead to them abusing the child, mistreating the child.
Specially at such a young age, look at all this, if i would of had a child then the child would of grown up without being with both parents. And I would of been paying child support. And I know my ex wouldn't of had been able to raise that child right. The day I have a child will be the day that im married with the right woman and I know that the child can grow up with both his parents in a nice financially free enviroment.
Many reasons, Nor her nor I were at the right stage in life to handle a child, and we wern't going to have a child that we knew we would not be able to fully support. So pretty much why have a child that we know is not going to be able to have a good childhood. Also the reasons that it would make her drop out of school and get a job.
As far as other couples, same thing. I rather girls be getting abortions then them having children that they DONT want. Because that will just lead to them abusing the child, mistreating the child.
Specially at such a young age, look at all this, if i would of had a child then the child would of grown up without being with both parents. And I would of been paying child support. And I know my ex wouldn't of had been able to raise that child right. The day I have a child will be the day that im married with the right woman and I know that the child can grow up with both his parents in a nice financially free enviroment.
What's wrong with giving it up for adoption? Deal with it for 9 months, give it up for a good home and could take care of it. Now she has to deal with that mindset of losing a child for the rest of her life. I guarantee it goes through her head.
**** sex with your women
#44
10-26-2006, 05:03 PM
Some of your guys crack me.....there is no logic to your opinion and even your arguements dilute your statements.
Winston Churchill once said "Show me a 25 year old liberal and show you a man with no brain. Show me a 40 year old conservative, and I show you a man with no heart".
Fact is, most of you young dudes are going to change your position about this issue when you get older....it is natural. My concern is, that some of you will be faced with this situation now, then regret your decision later.
So, is a fetus a human? That is really the issue right? If is it, then having an abortion is definately murder. If it is not a human, then I guess having an abortion is no differnt then taking a crap or cuting a fingernail, right?
Do you know that if your were to take a fully grown man and break down the constituents of his body into it's elemental components (ie protein, etc...), these materials have a market value of about $15.00? If the individual is still living, $15.00 does not seem like much, but the individual is dead anyway, then I guess $15.00 is better then nothing.
Do you so called "Pro-Choicers" really believe that a fetus is nothing more then a few cells? Do you really believe that an abortion is as simple as a healthcare proceedure with no consequences?
Do you so called "Pro-Lifers" really believe that there are circumstances such as rape and incests where it is OK to have an abortion? Is not murder, murder? It is NOT the babies fault that the mother got raped? How does a murder reverse a rape? Is not adoption an option? If you think that an abortion is justified as a result of a rape, you can NOT call yourself Pro-Life, stop stop insulting the rest of the "real" Pro Life folks.
Ever heard of the "Rule of Dual Causality"? Some of your need to do some research on ethics. From an ethics point of view, killing a baby is only justified in situations where the pregnancy puts the mother's life at a high risk of death. In these situations, it is better to save the Mother's life, because she can be responsible for more life in the future and because others rely on her for survival. This is especially true in situations where the baby will not be able to life outside th womb such as in tubal prenancies.
Don't be so cavalier about life! Think about what you are saying and realize that there are consequences...all types of them for an action such as this.
I have LOADS of respect for people who give up babies for adoption. That is the ONLY, brave and loving action for a mother who can not care for a child.
Winston Churchill once said "Show me a 25 year old liberal and show you a man with no brain. Show me a 40 year old conservative, and I show you a man with no heart".
Fact is, most of you young dudes are going to change your position about this issue when you get older....it is natural. My concern is, that some of you will be faced with this situation now, then regret your decision later.
So, is a fetus a human? That is really the issue right? If is it, then having an abortion is definately murder. If it is not a human, then I guess having an abortion is no differnt then taking a crap or cuting a fingernail, right?
Do you know that if your were to take a fully grown man and break down the constituents of his body into it's elemental components (ie protein, etc...), these materials have a market value of about $15.00? If the individual is still living, $15.00 does not seem like much, but the individual is dead anyway, then I guess $15.00 is better then nothing.
Do you so called "Pro-Choicers" really believe that a fetus is nothing more then a few cells? Do you really believe that an abortion is as simple as a healthcare proceedure with no consequences?
Do you so called "Pro-Lifers" really believe that there are circumstances such as rape and incests where it is OK to have an abortion? Is not murder, murder? It is NOT the babies fault that the mother got raped? How does a murder reverse a rape? Is not adoption an option? If you think that an abortion is justified as a result of a rape, you can NOT call yourself Pro-Life, stop stop insulting the rest of the "real" Pro Life folks.
Ever heard of the "Rule of Dual Causality"? Some of your need to do some research on ethics. From an ethics point of view, killing a baby is only justified in situations where the pregnancy puts the mother's life at a high risk of death. In these situations, it is better to save the Mother's life, because she can be responsible for more life in the future and because others rely on her for survival. This is especially true in situations where the baby will not be able to life outside th womb such as in tubal prenancies.
Don't be so cavalier about life! Think about what you are saying and realize that there are consequences...all types of them for an action such as this.
I have LOADS of respect for people who give up babies for adoption. That is the ONLY, brave and loving action for a mother who can not care for a child.
#45
10-26-2006, 06:24 PM
Some of your guys crack me.....there is no logic to your opinion and even your arguements dilute your statements.
Winston Churchill once said "Show me a 25 year old liberal and show you a man with no brain. Show me a 40 year old conservative, and I show you a man with no heart".
Fact is, most of you young dudes are going to change your position about this issue when you get older....it is natural. My concern is, that some of you will be faced with this situation now, then regret your decision later.
So, is a fetus a human? That is really the issue right? If is it, then having an abortion is definately murder. If it is not a human, then I guess having an abortion is no differnt then taking a crap or cuting a fingernail, right?
Do you know that if your were to take a fully grown man and break down the constituents of his body into it's elemental components (ie protein, etc...), these materials have a market value of about $15.00? If the individual is still living, $15.00 does not seem like much, but the individual is dead anyway, then I guess $15.00 is better then nothing.
Do you so called "Pro-Choicers" really believe that a fetus is nothing more then a few cells? Do you really believe that an abortion is as simple as a healthcare proceedure with no consequences?
Do you so called "Pro-Lifers" really believe that there are circumstances such as rape and incests where it is OK to have an abortion? Is not murder, murder? It is NOT the babies fault that the mother got raped? How does a murder reverse a rape? Is not adoption an option? If you think that an abortion is justified as a result of a rape, you can NOT call yourself Pro-Life, stop stop insulting the rest of the "real" Pro Life folks.
Ever heard of the "Rule of Dual Causality"? Some of your need to do some research on ethics. From an ethics point of view, killing a baby is only justified in situations where the pregnancy puts the mother's life at a high risk of death. In these situations, it is better to save the Mother's life, because she can be responsible for more life in the future and because others rely on her for survival. This is especially true in situations where the baby will not be able to life outside th womb such as in tubal prenancies.
Don't be so cavalier about life! Think about what you are saying and realize that there are consequences...all types of them for an action such as this.
I have LOADS of respect for people who give up babies for adoption. That is the ONLY, brave and loving action for a mother who can not care for a child.
Winston Churchill once said "Show me a 25 year old liberal and show you a man with no brain. Show me a 40 year old conservative, and I show you a man with no heart".
Fact is, most of you young dudes are going to change your position about this issue when you get older....it is natural. My concern is, that some of you will be faced with this situation now, then regret your decision later.
So, is a fetus a human? That is really the issue right? If is it, then having an abortion is definately murder. If it is not a human, then I guess having an abortion is no differnt then taking a crap or cuting a fingernail, right?
Do you know that if your were to take a fully grown man and break down the constituents of his body into it's elemental components (ie protein, etc...), these materials have a market value of about $15.00? If the individual is still living, $15.00 does not seem like much, but the individual is dead anyway, then I guess $15.00 is better then nothing.
Do you so called "Pro-Choicers" really believe that a fetus is nothing more then a few cells? Do you really believe that an abortion is as simple as a healthcare proceedure with no consequences?
Do you so called "Pro-Lifers" really believe that there are circumstances such as rape and incests where it is OK to have an abortion? Is not murder, murder? It is NOT the babies fault that the mother got raped? How does a murder reverse a rape? Is not adoption an option? If you think that an abortion is justified as a result of a rape, you can NOT call yourself Pro-Life, stop stop insulting the rest of the "real" Pro Life folks.
Ever heard of the "Rule of Dual Causality"? Some of your need to do some research on ethics. From an ethics point of view, killing a baby is only justified in situations where the pregnancy puts the mother's life at a high risk of death. In these situations, it is better to save the Mother's life, because she can be responsible for more life in the future and because others rely on her for survival. This is especially true in situations where the baby will not be able to life outside th womb such as in tubal prenancies.
Don't be so cavalier about life! Think about what you are saying and realize that there are consequences...all types of them for an action such as this.
I have LOADS of respect for people who give up babies for adoption. That is the ONLY, brave and loving action for a mother who can not care for a child.
I dont understand how someone can say that ending a life was no big deal for this reason or that.
I just dont understand it...
If you end a life... you go to jail... But if you end a life.. ah its no big deal...
doesn't make much sense does it?
#46
10-26-2006, 06:41 PM
it has no conciousness of its own existance
pro choice
its not like we need anymore people anyways. plus if somone is contemplating getting one, most likley they arent ready to have a baby, and if they arent ready to have a baby, it probably wont be raised right..or end up in some dumpster
pro choice
its not like we need anymore people anyways. plus if somone is contemplating getting one, most likley they arent ready to have a baby, and if they arent ready to have a baby, it probably wont be raised right..or end up in some dumpster
I just got done with this debate over on the Corral, so I don't feel like going any deeper than this...
Scott
#47
10-26-2006, 06:44 PM
If you are man enough to stick it in, you need to be man enough to stick it out.
#48
10-26-2006, 06:46 PM
Some of your guys crack me.....there is no logic to your opinion and even your arguements dilute your statements.
Winston Churchill once said "Show me a 25 year old liberal and show you a man with no brain. Show me a 40 year old conservative, and I show you a man with no heart".
Fact is, most of you young dudes are going to change your position about this issue when you get older....it is natural. My concern is, that some of you will be faced with this situation now, then regret your decision later.
So, is a fetus a human? That is really the issue right? If is it, then having an abortion is definately murder. If it is not a human, then I guess having an abortion is no differnt then taking a crap or cuting a fingernail, right?
Do you know that if your were to take a fully grown man and break down the constituents of his body into it's elemental components (ie protein, etc...), these materials have a market value of about $15.00? If the individual is still living, $15.00 does not seem like much, but the individual is dead anyway, then I guess $15.00 is better then nothing.
Do you so called "Pro-Choicers" really believe that a fetus is nothing more then a few cells? Do you really believe that an abortion is as simple as a healthcare proceedure with no consequences?
Do you so called "Pro-Lifers" really believe that there are circumstances such as rape and incests where it is OK to have an abortion? Is not murder, murder? It is NOT the babies fault that the mother got raped? How does a murder reverse a rape? Is not adoption an option? If you think that an abortion is justified as a result of a rape, you can NOT call yourself Pro-Life, stop stop insulting the rest of the "real" Pro Life folks.
Ever heard of the "Rule of Dual Causality"? Some of your need to do some research on ethics. From an ethics point of view, killing a baby is only justified in situations where the pregnancy puts the mother's life at a high risk of death. In these situations, it is better to save the Mother's life, because she can be responsible for more life in the future and because others rely on her for survival. This is especially true in situations where the baby will not be able to life outside th womb such as in tubal prenancies.
Don't be so cavalier about life! Think about what you are saying and realize that there are consequences...all types of them for an action such as this.
I have LOADS of respect for people who give up babies for adoption. That is the ONLY, brave and loving action for a mother who can not care for a child.
Winston Churchill once said "Show me a 25 year old liberal and show you a man with no brain. Show me a 40 year old conservative, and I show you a man with no heart".
Fact is, most of you young dudes are going to change your position about this issue when you get older....it is natural. My concern is, that some of you will be faced with this situation now, then regret your decision later.
So, is a fetus a human? That is really the issue right? If is it, then having an abortion is definately murder. If it is not a human, then I guess having an abortion is no differnt then taking a crap or cuting a fingernail, right?
Do you know that if your were to take a fully grown man and break down the constituents of his body into it's elemental components (ie protein, etc...), these materials have a market value of about $15.00? If the individual is still living, $15.00 does not seem like much, but the individual is dead anyway, then I guess $15.00 is better then nothing.
Do you so called "Pro-Choicers" really believe that a fetus is nothing more then a few cells? Do you really believe that an abortion is as simple as a healthcare proceedure with no consequences?
Do you so called "Pro-Lifers" really believe that there are circumstances such as rape and incests where it is OK to have an abortion? Is not murder, murder? It is NOT the babies fault that the mother got raped? How does a murder reverse a rape? Is not adoption an option? If you think that an abortion is justified as a result of a rape, you can NOT call yourself Pro-Life, stop stop insulting the rest of the "real" Pro Life folks.
Ever heard of the "Rule of Dual Causality"? Some of your need to do some research on ethics. From an ethics point of view, killing a baby is only justified in situations where the pregnancy puts the mother's life at a high risk of death. In these situations, it is better to save the Mother's life, because she can be responsible for more life in the future and because others rely on her for survival. This is especially true in situations where the baby will not be able to life outside th womb such as in tubal prenancies.
Don't be so cavalier about life! Think about what you are saying and realize that there are consequences...all types of them for an action such as this.
I have LOADS of respect for people who give up babies for adoption. That is the ONLY, brave and loving action for a mother who can not care for a child.
#49
10-26-2006, 06:56 PM
Like the thread I referenced said, we don't need anymore people running around, being burdens on the country. Statistics also show that some kids stay in foster care up to 5 years. That isn't much different than how the prisons stay full of murderers and rapists, which the taxpayers support. I wish we would get rid of more of them, but that is another argument altogether.
The kid will have no recollection of even being created, so I don't see where it is that big of a loss. If the person having the abortion can live with it, it shouldn't matter what others think. That is the problem with society today. People care too much about what others think.
Scott
#50
10-26-2006, 07:15 PM
Um, what the hell are you talking about, emphasizing ADOPTION and making that last comment, in reference to what I said? Not all kids put up for adoption go straight to a family, and thus go into foster care. Statistics show that more kids are put up for adoption than are actually adopted each year. Where do those kids go that are not adopted...foster care.
Like the thread I referenced said, we don't need anymore people running around, being burdens on the country. Statistics also show that some kids stay in foster care up to 5 years. That isn't much different than how the prisons stay full of murderers and rapists, which the taxpayers support. I wish we would get rid of more of them, but that is another argument altogether.
The kid will have no recollection of even being created, so I don't see where it is that big of a loss. If the person having the abortion can live with it, it shouldn't matter what others think. That is the problem with society today. People care too much about what others think.
Scott
Like the thread I referenced said, we don't need anymore people running around, being burdens on the country. Statistics also show that some kids stay in foster care up to 5 years. That isn't much different than how the prisons stay full of murderers and rapists, which the taxpayers support. I wish we would get rid of more of them, but that is another argument altogether.
The kid will have no recollection of even being created, so I don't see where it is that big of a loss. If the person having the abortion can live with it, it shouldn't matter what others think. That is the problem with society today. People care too much about what others think.
Scott
Newborn babies ARE not burdens on society. Just the idiot parents are that can't take care of them, when there are plenty of willing ones that can.
Is the world perfect? Nope! Will some kids end up with bad families sure...but at least they have a chance.
Do you know how many GREAT people have been raised in horrible situations?
Also, your suppisition that people who have abortions can live with then is exceedingly naive. They can't! Ever seen a crying girl at the doctor's office ready to have an abortion? I have. Ever seen a girl committ suicide because she could not live with herself? I have. Ever known a women who had an abortion 20+ years ago, yet still cries about it? I have.
Don't think for one minute that having an abortion is something that "you can just live with" and is none of anyone elses business. Someone has to speak up for the babies. In case you have not noticed, they can't speak.
BTW, my wife and I are becomming foster parents. Last I checked we had a loving, healthy home and will no doubt be a positive influence in a child's life. We don't expect to get any newborns, because they are very few that end up in foster care. Don't make foster care look like it is something worth dying for for a baby. You make it sound like it is ok to kill a baby just so they don't go into foster-care.
Hum......If I were a kid, I would much rather be here with me, then dead.
#51
10-26-2006, 07:21 PM
the child doesnt even get a chance...
How can you tell how someones life will turn out? How will my life turn out? Whats in your future?
There is nothing that can justify ending a LIFE... (leaving defense out)
#52
10-26-2006, 07:21 PM
BTW, that is the single most stupid thing I have ever heard anyone say. It defies sensibility. In fact, the statement is soo appalling, I need to save it somewhere to remind me. For some reason I don't want to forget that someone actually typed that.
#53
10-26-2006, 07:34 PM
Name ONE SINGLE, newborn baby that goes into foster care. They all get adopted right away, except for in cases of extreme legal situations where a foster home is used until a legal determination can be made. In case you did not know, there is a line 50 miles long for babies in this country. The problem is soo bad, that people are spending 10's of thousands of dollors to go overseas. Madona (the singer) is in Africa right now. She spent $3,000,000 for one kid so she could skirt the legal system in Africa.
Newborn babies ARE not burdens on society. Just the idiot parents are that can't take care of them, when there are plenty of willing ones that can.
Is the world perfect? Nope! Will some kids end up with bad families sure...but at least they have a chance.
Do you know how many GREAT people have been raised in horrible situations?
Also, your suppisition that people who have abortions can live with then is exceedingly naive. They can't! Ever seen a crying girl at the doctor's office ready to have an abortion? I have. Ever seen a girl committ suicide because she could not live with herself? I have. Ever known a women who had an abortion 20+ years ago, yet still cries about it? I have.
Don't think for one minute that having an abortion is something that "you can just live with" and is none of anyone elses business. Someone has to speak up for the babies. In case you have not noticed, they can't speak.
BTW, my wife and I are becomming foster parents. Last I checked we had a loving, healthy home and will no doubt be a positive influence in a child's life. We don't expect to get any newborns, because they are very few that end up in foster care. Don't make foster care look like it is something worth dying for for a baby. You make it sound like it is ok to kill a baby just so they don't go into foster-care.
Hum......If I were a kid, I would much rather be here with me, then dead.
Newborn babies ARE not burdens on society. Just the idiot parents are that can't take care of them, when there are plenty of willing ones that can.
Is the world perfect? Nope! Will some kids end up with bad families sure...but at least they have a chance.
Do you know how many GREAT people have been raised in horrible situations?
Also, your suppisition that people who have abortions can live with then is exceedingly naive. They can't! Ever seen a crying girl at the doctor's office ready to have an abortion? I have. Ever seen a girl committ suicide because she could not live with herself? I have. Ever known a women who had an abortion 20+ years ago, yet still cries about it? I have.
Don't think for one minute that having an abortion is something that "you can just live with" and is none of anyone elses business. Someone has to speak up for the babies. In case you have not noticed, they can't speak.
BTW, my wife and I are becomming foster parents. Last I checked we had a loving, healthy home and will no doubt be a positive influence in a child's life. We don't expect to get any newborns, because they are very few that end up in foster care. Don't make foster care look like it is something worth dying for for a baby. You make it sound like it is ok to kill a baby just so they don't go into foster-care.
Hum......If I were a kid, I would much rather be here with me, then dead.
That is all well and good that you are becoming foster parents. Let's all throw you a party. I could really care less. That is your prerogative, and that is good, since you will be giving a child a home that currently does not have one. Even I have to agree that is a better situation than what he/she may have been going through up til now. However, my point is that he/she should never have been put into that situation in the first place.
Quite frankly, you need to step off with your high and mightly attitude about it. Just because you are doing that doesn't mean ****. This is a debate that will never end. You can't change me, and I can't change you. The statement made earlier about views changing as you get older, with the younger people being pro-choice because it goes along with the freedom to be able to have sex without having the responsibility of parenthood is BULLS***. I am not pro-choice for that reason at all, and I will never change my opinion. I am currently 21, and have only been with 1 person. I never really dated in high school until I met my, now, fiance during my Junior year. November 13 will be 4 years together. She is on the pill and we use condoms. Right now, I know it would be devastating for her to get pregnant, with me finishing up my undergrad, getting ready for Grad school. If something were to happen, we would try to do everything in our power to create a loving home for the child, but if it became evident that it would be impossible, abortion would the action of choice. I'm not sure that I could even live with the fact that someone else would be raising my child, and then have to deal with the reunion down the road when they got curious and decided to look me up.
So don't come on here with your sob stories and pushy agendas. People who can't live with those decisions obviously made the wrong one. There will always be a "market" for babies as long as there are people like you in the world, so I guess that if the person "can't live with their decision" then adoption is probably the best scenario for them, regardless of my beliefs. People need to do what is right for them, not others. But the ability to make the choice about what is right for them should be made available to them. We have enough people on the earth to continue the human race. I serious doubt that few abortions will cause humans to go extinct. There are enough people that have children and keep them in their own loving households to ensure against it.
Scott
#54
10-26-2006, 07:36 PM
Tell me O Great One, do you remember the womb or coming out your mom's vagina?
#55
10-26-2006, 07:50 PM
Well the child has no idea what is going on... thats bullshit... the child's life was ended and the child had no say in any of it...
That is no reason to justify ending a life... which last I knew killing someone was murder...
#56
10-26-2006, 08:17 PM
I got to hand it to you, at least you are consistent. I can't believe that you would rather kill a baby then know that someone else is raising it. What if your girlfriend dumped you? Would it be better to kill her then to know that someone else was dating her?
Am I on a high horse? Why is it whenever someone takes a "save the baby" position, they always get accused of this - LOL. I guess then if I am on my high-horse, you must be on a low-horse.
I don't hate you....I don't even judge you. In fact, I don't know you, but I choose to talk to you and even if we could meet in person, I might even like you. Do I think I can change you....absolutely. If not, I would never have entered into this debate. And, do you know what? You are still just a kid at 21....your whole life is ahead of you. Someday, you might change your views, in fact, I used to call myself "Pro-Choice". How about them apples?
6 Years ago I watched my 17 month old daughter die from cancer. She fought hard to live. It is painful to see people take such a short-sided view of life when so many fight so hard for a chance to live. Our unborn deserve a chance....no matter the outcome.
#57
10-26-2006, 08:17 PM
Scott
#58
10-26-2006, 08:30 PM
Hey, I will concede that if mothers who have abortions would be lined up in front of the firing squad, along with the other murderers on Earth, I would convert to pro-life in a heartbeat. Otherwise, I personally think it is far worse to kill a living, breathing, consciously aware person, than a fetus living in the mother's womb.
Scott
Scott
(BTW, I am not being sarcastic)
#59
10-26-2006, 08:35 PM
Hey, I will concede that if mothers who have abortions would be lined up in front of the firing squad, along with the other murderers on Earth, I would convert to pro-life in a heartbeat. Otherwise, I personally think it is far worse to kill a living, breathing, consciously aware person, than a fetus living in the mother's womb.
Scott
Scott
Please forgive me, I may have missed the purpose of your post.
Also, I place the same value on killing a person and a fetus...to me, they are both one in the same.
#60
10-26-2006, 08:37 PM
I just revert back to killing a fetus is not the same as killing a child, or any other human being for that matter, but that is just my view.
Scott