Today i called a shop and i told them i wanted a shift kid and torque converter installed..... they said a 2100 conver. was gonna be good cause a 3200 was gonna maybe make my tranny slip or give me problems.... cause of the computers and allll.... that it mmight pick it up blah blah..... everything installed and tranny if has probmels fix with upgrads to make my tranny hold up to 500 hp i think....he said that ... for 1,950....???? do u think a 2100 conver is good??!?!??! i need help asap! i already have 373s installed why did he say i shouldnt go 3200?

 

a 2100 stall is what your stock one flashes too that is a total waste of money, if you get a convertor you should go to atleast a 3,200rpms convertor thats where the power starts in our cars. I wouldnt get anything less than that. Hell i would go more but dont get less then that. also it will not your tranny. and a tune isnt even needed for the computer for it (convertor).

 

:stupid:
2100 is completely pointless

 

so go 3200!??!?!? what do i tell the guy...i want a 3200 because? the 2100 is nothing and thats where the stock is at ?

 

basicly...

tell him you want 3200... so he either gives you it or ya'll go else where...

 

I wouldnt go to that shop at all. Sounds to me like they dont know what they are talking about. First of all, there are a lot of things to consider when buying a converter. A few of these are power level, na or power adder, multi disk or single, stall, what you want out of the car, etc. The converter needs to be selected based on your set up. Your tune also needs to be adjusted to fix the lock up points. And what shift kit are you talking about? Hopefully not the trans go. I HIGHLY recommend going to www.bc-automotive.com and talking to those guys about shift kits, converters, and built trannys.

 

he has a point... if the guy told you to buy a 2100 because 3200 wouldn''t work... then the guy might not know his stuff as well

 

I'd be looking at a 2400-2800 stall point. That's where your tq gets up to the peak in most 2V implementations. Unless you have a wild cam in it then 3200 may be a bit excessive.

Nonetheless, if you know what you want and why you want it, then just find a place that will install it for you. Or, you can install it yourself. It's pretty easy to do.

 

yea i think they jmighta said 2400... but people say to get 3200 but u sayin i need a cam or something to be able to use it.... do i have to be somewhat modiefied to go ahead and put it?

 

you can use whatever converter gets you horny. The purpose of a looser converter is similar to the purpose of steeper gears, it'll get you into the higher RPM's quicker and help to keep you there. If you put a loose tc on a car that makes peak power at a lower RPM than the TC stalls at, then you'll definitely not get peak performance. 24-2800 is sufficient for a mostly stock car. If you decide to add cams later, then you'll still get good service from a 2800, but probably at that time you'll be better served by a 3200m(depending on how wild your bumpsticks are)

You need to think of your car as an integrated system. Just replacing one random part is rarely going to be a well done upgrade. You need to be replacing parts because the change is required to support the overall combination, intended use and goals. 3200 is just too high for my taste unless you drive a high winding 4V or have aggressive cams.

So, to answer your question as clearly as possible... you don't "need" a hot cam to install the 3200TC, you should have one though to utilize the performance potential of it. Get something more reasonable until you get wilder on the engine combo.

 

aight then so for my stock car.. with only 373s installed whats the best torque converter i could go... to where i aint really gonna be doint to much harm... i will be doin cams but thats in the future not real soooon...... i still gonnna do headers and all....

 

when I launch with a stick...

I dump the clutch at about 3k, so... anything near there should be fine...

but 2100 is just pointless...

 

r3dn3ck said it pretty well. However, a converter needs to be based on how your car is. A converter is also not cheap wheather you can install it yourself or not. Plus this is not an install you want to be doing more then once. Honestly I dont think you're at the point where you should get one. You combination could change a number of times from here. I say do all the other bolt ons and see where you want to go with the car. A converter should be one of your last mods.

 

Just this week I spoke with Precision Industries about their Stallion converter. I have basically a stock car with a SCT tune and a future 4.10 gear change. I don't go to the track and mostly just do the stop light to stop light thing. They suggested a 2800 stall on a single disc converter. I even asked for future reference if this converter will go well with a KB upgrade and he said it would work fine. The price was $734 for the single and $934 for a multi disc converter, both uninstalled. It's a pretty simple job to install one of these so don't be to scared.

I'm no expert on the single vs multi disc thing, could someone give a bit of clarification. I know I've read something on it, just can't remember now.

 

I dont believe a single disk is recommended for drag racing. Especially when using power adders. As a rule of thumb, whenever using a power adder, you should be running a multi disk. Also, that stall would be fine with a kb because it makes power down low. Your stall needs to be ~700 rpms below your peak torque. This is why I say the converter should be your last mod, because the rpm at which you reach your peak torque will change as you continue to mod the car.

 

Thats exactly what i have. I did 3:73 gears and a 2800 stallion converter at the same time. I played around with a Hypertech programmer to try and adjust the shift points until i got a tune. I was very impressed with the results but a 2800 seemed stock after getting a power adder. Till this day i still cant believe i shelled out 900 bucks for a converter. Even though i had heard nothing but bad news about Transgo, i went with their shift kit. No problems with it all and no i didnt do the J-mod.

 

If you had to do it again, would you get the converter? Please answer this question as to before the SC and after.

 

I would have definately got the converter after.

 

Here's my unsolicitated 2 cents on torque convertors.
If you plan on adding a blower don't get a torque convertor. It's really not needed especially if you go with a KB set up. You will spend at least 900 bucks on a good multi disk convertor before the install. If you plan on going the naturally aspirated path then get one. I personally would not go with anything less than 3,200 stall speed but I like to go fast at the track. If you are not a big racer type then save the 900 towards the blower set up.
They are a total pain in the butt to install, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I have done it three times and hope to not make it four. Ford engineers are sadistic bastards who make sure you can reach no bolt without loss of skin and blood. You have to think about what you want out of your car, the steeper the gears and stall the crappier (is that even a word) the ride and mileage. If I could go back to the day I bought my poor car I'd just save up and put a intercooled KB 1.7 kit on it and get some sticky tires.
It would be faster and drive better than it does with my many little bolt on crap mod's.