procharger intercooler vs. vortech/novi non-intercooled - Page 3

04SVTDRIVER · 12-13-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by foncarelli

Sounds good, exempt the Walbro. You need a Focus SVT pump. Randy will be the man to see.

YEP THIS GUY IS RIGHT you'll need the TWIN SVT FOCUS pumps

04SVTDRIVER · 12-13-2005, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Stangdude27

I think the compressor blades are differnt than the stage 1 also stage 2 comes with 3 core A/A intercooler.

Regardless of 10-15hp I would go with the kit that comes with an intercooler. Non-Intercooled = more likely to detonate!!

04SVTDRIVER · 12-13-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stangdude27

Also I work for High Horse Performance didn't get the employee discount. After everything was said and done I've spent close to 6000 for everything else I've had to mod. 1800 New tranny 42lbs injector and 90mm Maf 400. 600.00 for SCT chip with Dyno tune. You will spend the money to get to your 360 which is judt fine for an auto. But be aware of the crap inside the AODE get a tranny cooler installed to keep temps down when you go to the track. Also I would get a new convertor and valvebody. Makes it almost as fun as having a 5 speed. Yep alot of money. But well worth it.

Wow those numbers are freaking awesome!!

Better-than-URs · 12-13-2005, 06:35 PM

The maf and injectors that come with the procharger stage 2 kit im getting for basically 4k are 42# and Lightening Maf -Ford racing parts - what can better than that? My installer said 10lbs is good to go on stock blocks - need a super tune for 12lbs - if your not going to stomp it alot, but he wouldn't recommend it. He personally has installed over 200 prochargers ... still he might just want my money though

Better-than-URs · 12-13-2005, 06:36 PM

the Walboro is no good?

Stangdude27 · 12-13-2005, 06:59 PM

Walbro pumps suck they tend to quit on you at WOT. Which will make your motor go kaboom. Buy either dual focus pumps or dual cobra pumps. And depending on the MAF if you buy a 90mm LMAF you might end up having to get a MAF xtender to get more gas above 5500. I know that crap diablo chip that comes in a kit will only get you to a tune shop to get a retune then you'll have to buy a new chip or Xcalibrator2. Or save your self a headache and order a mongoose kit from miles per hour. You get everything you need for the kit and a rock'n' tune.

whitethunder46 · 12-13-2005, 09:39 PM

there isnt a mongoose procharger kit, Tim doesnt carry them. Also, single Focus SVT pump would be enough if your going to stay under 400RWHP. If you get a dual focus SVT, you have to get the 03/04 cobra tank, just like if u got the cobra pumps.

stanger00 · 12-14-2005, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by whitethunder46

there isnt a mongoose procharger kit, Tim doesnt carry them. Also, single Focus SVT pump would be enough if your going to stay under 400RWHP. If you get a dual focus SVT, you have to get the 03/04 cobra tank, just like if u got the cobra pumps.

the pump wont support a 400 rwhp auto. thats what i found out and had to buy a kenne bell BAP.

stangdude is right about the maf pegging at 5500 mine does but the injectors are staying open to keep my af at 12.0 till 6k rpms

foncarelli · 12-14-2005, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stanger00

the pump wont support a 400 rwhp auto. thats what i found out and had to buy a kenne bell BAP.

stangdude is right about the maf pegging at 5500 mine does but the injectors are staying open to keep my af at 12.0 till 6k rpms

I totally agree with everything because i had the exact same problems. The LMAF starting to peg and i went with the 90mmSTC meter. And if you look at my dyno you can see where i really needed fuel.

whitethunder46 · 12-14-2005, 01:39 PM

Ok. So what Maf would be recommended. The 90mm SCT Big Air Mass. This looks pretty damn good. And, what pumps?? Will dual Focus or dual Steeda work with the stock GT tank??

foncarelli · 12-14-2005, 04:58 PM

[quote=whitethunder46]Ok. So what Maf would be recommended. The 90mm SCT Big Air Mass. This looks pretty damn good. And, what pumps?? Will dual Focus or dual Steeda work with the stock GT tank??[/QUOTE

We are just trying to save you some money and time since we have already been through the trial and error stages with Procharged automatics. I would definately recommend SCT meter, Cobra Tank w/pumps. Better yet if you could get down to miles per hour that would be even better but i thought i read earlier that you already have someone for the install. But most importanly a safe tune to keep that hp level right at 400 unless you can afford a rebuild.

whitethunder46 · 12-14-2005, 06:53 PM

I didn't mean to sound rude or anything, just mean to ask which is recommended, sry if it came out otherwise. I'm only going to be running 8lbs. I doubt I'll get close to 400RWHP with an auto

foncarelli · 12-14-2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by whitethunder46

I didn't mean to sound rude or anything, just mean to ask which is recommended, sry if it came out otherwise. I'm only going to be running 8lbs. I doubt I'll get close to 400RWHP with an auto

I know you werent trying to be rude and neither was i. All i am saying is, that when you get advice from people that have superchargers make sure they have the same transmission as you because as you can see, they react differently. If you get two or three guys telling you the same thing then its got to be true.

Do an overkill on the fuel set up.

12-14-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by foncarelli

I know you werent trying to be rude and neither was i. All i am saying is, that when you get advice from people that have superchargers make sure they have the same transmission as you because as you can see, they react differently. If you get two or three guys telling you the same thing then its got to be true.

Do an overkill on the fuel set up.

He's right . I mean the 03 and ups have the tremec 3650 the 99-02 run the t-45

whitethunder46 · 12-14-2005, 11:16 PM

I have an AODE, haha.
If I didnt supercharge right away, what should I do for good fun fast car?
3.90 gears? 75mm TB/Plenum? stall convertor, tranny cooler? Suspension kit?

What can I do to the engine that will be less tahn 1500 or so that will give me decent power?

dom · 12-15-2005, 10:36 AM

if u are blow through use the blow thru meter

stanger00 · 12-15-2005, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitethunder46

I have an AODE, haha.
If I didnt supercharge right away, what should I do for good fun fast car?
3.90 gears? 75mm TB/Plenum? stall convertor, tranny cooler? Suspension kit?

What can I do to the engine that will be less tahn 1500 or so that will give me decent power?

get a convertor gears and tranny cooler. that should take up most your money there. the t/b and plenum get that later as it will add very little gains in a N/A set up.

whitethunder46 · 12-15-2005, 12:12 PM

Well just got home from my tuner. Here's our plan: 1) Steeda Underdrive Pulleys 2) Accufab 75mm TB/Plenum 3) 2800 Stall Convertor - livid, likid, some company that starts with an "L" if know which, let me know 4) 4.10 Ford Racing gears 5) tranny cooler

Hoping that will get me mid 13's at least.

What else can I do to add some more power to the car?
Are cams too much of a hassle to do? 600 dollars isn't bad, but how bad is the install?

stanger00 · 12-15-2005, 12:17 PM

install of cams is a big hassle and cost is a little high. lentech is the name. if your getting a deal on the pullies then get them otherwise dont even bother because they will have to come right back off when you install the charger.

my car was at 13.4 (without a tune) before the blower and i had less mods then you. without the gears it was a 13.6.

when i put a diablo mail order tune on my car to correct the speedo and to give me some more power i was slower at the track. i think it had to do with weather and the 275 tire that i put on.

whitethunder46 · 12-15-2005, 12:42 PM

Well the whole point of those mods above, was putting off the supercharger. What else could I do besides those performance mods above, or have I basically come to a dead end unless I supercharge?

dom · 12-21-2005, 08:23 PM

get a 4200 stall and make sure you get the precision industries. you can use a single disk NA. also get 4.30 gears. also get a valve body. the street strip from perf auto or lentech is a good choice as if the full race version like i have. lastly, do cams if you wanna spend the time. stage one vt's i recommend since you wont have to do a valvepsring swap. youll be in a whole new car after these mods.

pimpmustangGT · 12-27-2005, 11:30 PM

actually procharger comes with 42 and is alot cheaper to instal also.. face it the procharger is better just shut the hell up!

pimpmustangGT · 12-30-2005, 02:39 AM

omg - the truth revealed!!! - why do people talk sh!t about stuff they don't know about?

anyway - proflow is not a good fuel pump @255lph ... but the kit im getting comes with a chip tuner and 42lbs injectors (ford racing green tops)

12-13-2005, 09:39 PM	#67 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	there isnt a mongoose procharger kit, Tim doesnt carry them. Also, single Focus SVT pump would be enough if your going to stay under 400RWHP. If you get a dual focus SVT, you have to get the 03/04 cobra tank, just like if u got the cobra pumps. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

12-14-2005, 01:39 PM	#70 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Ok. So what Maf would be recommended. The 90mm SCT Big Air Mass. This looks pretty damn good. And, what pumps?? Will dual Focus or dual Steeda work with the stock GT tank?? __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

12-14-2005, 06:53 PM	#72 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	I didn't mean to sound rude or anything, just mean to ask which is recommended, sry if it came out otherwise. I'm only going to be running 8lbs. I doubt I'll get close to 400RWHP with an auto __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

12-14-2005, 11:16 PM	#75 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	I have an AODE, haha. If I didnt supercharge right away, what should I do for good fun fast car? 3.90 gears? 75mm TB/Plenum? stall convertor, tranny cooler? Suspension kit? What can I do to the engine that will be less tahn 1500 or so that will give me decent power? __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

12-15-2005, 10:36 AM	#76 (permalink)
dom whos gonna ban me next? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: baltimore, MD Posts: 1,268	if u are blow through use the blow thru meter __________________ 2007 explorer limited procharged 2002gt sold new project: 427w c4 9" fox

12-13-2005, 06:35 PM	#64 (permalink)
Better-than-URs Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6	The maf and injectors that come with the procharger stage 2 kit im getting for basically 4k are 42# and Lightening Maf -Ford racing parts - what can better than that? My installer said 10lbs is good to go on stock blocks - need a super tune for 12lbs - if your not going to stomp it alot, but he wouldn't recommend it. He personally has installed over 200 prochargers ... still he might just want my money though

12-13-2005, 06:36 PM	#65 (permalink)
Better-than-URs Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6	the Walboro is no good?

12-13-2005, 06:59 PM	#66 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	Walbro pumps suck they tend to quit on you at WOT. Which will make your motor go kaboom. Buy either dual focus pumps or dual cobra pumps. And depending on the MAF if you buy a 90mm LMAF you might end up having to get a MAF xtender to get more gas above 5500. I know that crap diablo chip that comes in a kit will only get you to a tune shop to get a retune then you'll have to buy a new chip or Xcalibrator2. Or save your self a headache and order a mongoose kit from miles per hour. You get everything you need for the kit and a rock'n' tune.

12-14-2005, 04:58 PM	#71 (permalink)
foncarelli Everyday Im Hustlin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ecorse, Michigan Posts: 3,681	[quote=whitethunder46]Ok. So what Maf would be recommended. The 90mm SCT Big Air Mass. This looks pretty damn good. And, what pumps?? Will dual Focus or dual Steeda work with the stock GT tank??[/QUOTE We are just trying to save you some money and time since we have already been through the trial and error stages with Procharged automatics. I would definately recommend SCT meter, Cobra Tank w/pumps. Better yet if you could get down to miles per hour that would be even better but i thought i read earlier that you already have someone for the install. But most importanly a safe tune to keep that hp level right at 400 unless you can afford a rebuild.

12-15-2005, 12:12 PM	#78 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Well just got home from my tuner. Here's our plan: 1) Steeda Underdrive Pulleys 2) Accufab 75mm TB/Plenum 3) 2800 Stall Convertor - livid, likid, some company that starts with an "L" if know which, let me know 4) 4.10 Ford Racing gears 5) tranny cooler Hoping that will get me mid 13's at least. What else can I do to add some more power to the car? Are cams too much of a hassle to do? 600 dollars isn't bad, but how bad is the install? __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

12-15-2005, 12:42 PM	#80 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Well the whole point of those mods above, was putting off the supercharger. What else could I do besides those performance mods above, or have I basically come to a dead end unless I supercharge? __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

12-21-2005, 08:23 PM	#81 (permalink)
dom whos gonna ban me next? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: baltimore, MD Posts: 1,268	get a 4200 stall and make sure you get the precision industries. you can use a single disk NA. also get 4.30 gears. also get a valve body. the street strip from perf auto or lentech is a good choice as if the full race version like i have. lastly, do cams if you wanna spend the time. stage one vt's i recommend since you wont have to do a valvepsring swap. youll be in a whole new car after these mods. __________________ 2007 explorer limited procharged 2002gt sold new project: 427w c4 9" fox

12-27-2005, 11:30 PM	#82 (permalink)
pimpmustangGT Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 191	actually procharger comes with 42 and is alot cheaper to instal also.. face it the procharger is better just shut the hell up!

12-30-2005, 02:39 AM	#83 (permalink)
pimpmustangGT Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 191	omg - the truth revealed!!! - why do people talk sh!t about stuff they don't know about? anyway - proflow is not a good fuel pump @255lph ... but the kit im getting comes with a chip tuner and 42lbs injectors (ford racing green tops)