What's so bad about using nitrous?

stanger00 · 12-03-2004, 11:19 AM

why is it that some people are all for nitrous and some are totally against it but they are still ok with the idea of installing a supercharger or turbo system?

personally i see nothing wrong with nitrous its the best bang for the buck mod out there.

i would just like to know if its true that nitrous tears your engine up each time you spray?

WaterDR · 12-03-2004, 06:38 PM

You are CORRECT.

A bad blower tune is just as bad as a bad nitrous application. If you manage your a/f properly and do not add too much hp so the bottom end holds up, you are good to go no matter what power adder you use. Of course, using nitrous requires the use of other safety features (WOT switch, etc...).

One could make the arguement that nitrous is actually safer (less motor strain) as you use it much less frequently than a blower that is always providing boost.

In short, nitrous does NOT tear the motor up each timje you use it, but you can burn a piston is you run too lean. So will a turbo or a SC for that matter.

Blue02GT · 12-03-2004, 09:35 PM

Nitrous gets a bad rap. I race with guys who have no problems at all on stock motors. Just set it up right and get it tuned and your good to go.
Just don't expect to spray a 300 shot on a stock engine and have it last very long. You can't beat it when it comes to bang for the buck. I know alot of guys who say it's cheating because the power is not there all the time. I say as long as it's there when you need what's the difference. A friend of mine has about the same mod's as I do only he has a 5 speed with 4.10 gears and I have an auto with 4.30's. We raced at the track, race #1 he sprayed a 100 shot and killed me 11.7 to a 13.04, race #2 no spray I beat him 13.1 to 14.2 he missed 4th gear, lol. But I tree'd him .045 to .445 so it was over at the start anyway. My best that day was 12.89, his 12.99 but on the spray he ran a 11.56 @ 114. Not bad for a 500 dollar mod.

spike_africa · 12-04-2004, 02:51 PM

Like they said nitrous gets a really bad rap. but when used correctly aka colder plugs fuel upgrade (if needed) and not being an idiot its fine. most of those storyies i have heard of people with blowing motors, was from people who used to large a shot thinking it was ok. did not do fuel upgrades and ran a larger shot that the fuel system could not handle.
or were just being dumb such as perging into the motor, using it at very very low rpms, doing burnouts with it etc.. its asctually a very safe power adder if your not an idiot. also most of those stories i hear are from ricers.

Scott02GT · 12-04-2004, 03:17 PM

N2O is very safe if used properly, anyone tells you different has no clue. It is definetly the king of bang for the buck. I am thinkning aobut a small shot, somthing to mess with now and use later as a added IC to my turbo setup.

Chopper · 12-05-2004, 06:21 AM

N2o is safe if used properly.The Germans used it in their fighter planes in WWII,the only problem was if their bottle went empty!!!

Stangdude27 · 12-05-2004, 04:10 PM

Isn't it true that for every shot of nos you lose a couple thousand miles out of the engine life!

WaterDR · 12-05-2004, 04:54 PM

I ran into a couple of guys this summer who said that to me at a car show. Neither of them had any personal experience with the stuff.

Think about that statement. What is nitrous? Is is merely nitrogen and oxygen....that's it. Spraying nitrous is really not much different than pumping oxygen with a turbo or SC. Either way oxygen is oxygen. More oxygen allows you to feed more fuel and bingo, you get more hp.

As long as your tune is good and you don't overdue the amount of spray or psi with a turbo, you are fine. People should not make statements like that at least not ones that quantitative.

spike_africa · 12-05-2004, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stangdude27

Isn't it true that for every shot of nos you lose a couple thousand miles out of the engine life!

NOt true what so ever.

fast01gt · 12-26-2004, 03:32 PM

I think the only negative with nitrous is on our car we hae that piece of crap plastic upper intake. I have seen pictures of ones that were just tore apart by nitrous. Turbos and supercahrgers are not going to do that.

Scott02GT · 12-26-2004, 04:16 PM

Not at all, thats a farce, you can run for years with a good tune, I know, I have done it

Most people actually think N2O is flamable due to a certain band of rogue aisans blowing up a car once lol

Silvr04GT · 12-26-2004, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fast01gt

I think the only negative with nitrous is on our car we hae that piece of crap plastic upper intake. I have seen pictures of ones that were just tore apart by nitrous. Turbos and supercahrgers are not going to do that.

It's actually the actually the lower intake that is plastic and brakes. I totally agree with what most people are saying, I have a friend with a 2000 GT with N2O and he's has a good tune and he's not stupid about it. N20 is just one of those things you have to be smart about, you can't half ass the install you need to have the proper equipment (i.e. - bottle warmer, purge, etc.) I seriously think that's most people's problem they try to get the job done as cheap as possible and they cut corners and then KaBoom! Rebuild motor.

gtnumber2 · 12-27-2004, 07:28 AM

zex makes a great nitrous kit that will give you everything you need if you stay small.

spike_africa · 12-27-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Silvr04GT

It's actually the actually the lower intake that is plastic and brakes. I totally agree with what most people are saying, I have a friend with a 2000 GT with N2O and he's has a good tune and he's not stupid about it. N20 is just one of those things you have to be smart about, you can't half ass the install you need to have the proper equipment (i.e. - bottle warmer, purge, etc.) I seriously think that's most people's problem they try to get the job done as cheap as possible and they cut corners and then KaBoom! Rebuild motor.

Bottle warmer and purge are not needed to be safe. all that is needed is a FPSS,Window Switch,Fuel pump. and i think these are really only need once you hit the 100hp mark.The smaller shots on our cars are totaly fine without fuel upgrades. And are whole intake setup is plastic upper and lower.

Silvr04GT · 12-27-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spike_africa

Bottle warmer and purge are not needed to be safe. all that is needed is a FPSS,Window Switch,Fuel pump. and i think these are really only need once you hit the 100hp mark.The smaller shots on our cars are totaly fine without fuel upgrades. And are whole intake setup is plastic upper and lower.

I really don't think the intake plenum in a 99 and newer GT is plastic or else how the heck did mine get ported and polished?

WaterDR · 12-27-2004, 04:28 PM

He is talking about the lower intake.

Silvr04GT · 12-27-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spike_africa

And are whole intake setup is plastic upper and lower.

He said upper and lower.

WaterDR · 12-27-2004, 04:32 PM

OK. I see what ya mean. Probably just a typo.

spike_africa · 12-28-2004, 04:56 AM

uh? the upper and lower intakes on our cars are plastic what are you guys talking about? unless you have a bullit ot 4v its plastic upper and lower intake.

WaterDR · 12-28-2004, 05:36 AM

OK, we are obviously not all talking about the same thing. Is not the plenum the "upper intake" and the section below the plenum the "lower intake"?

spike_africa · 12-28-2004, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!

OK, we are obviously not all talking about the same thing. Is not the plenum the "upper intake" and the section below the plenum the "lower intake"?

Lol no that is like you said the plenum it is not the upper intake at all.

the upper intake is what the plenum is bolted to, the upper intake sits on top of the lower intake manifodl they are both plastic. Like i said unless it is a built or a 4v it is plastic.

Silvr04GT · 12-28-2004, 10:19 PM

I thought the plenum was bolted to the lower intake...

fast01gt · 12-29-2004, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silvr04GT

It's actually the actually the lower intake that is plastic and brakes. I totally agree with what most people are saying, I have a friend with a 2000 GT with N2O and he's has a good tune and he's not stupid about it. N20 is just one of those things you have to be smart about, you can't half ass the install you need to have the proper equipment (i.e. - bottle warmer, purge, etc.) I seriously think that's most people's problem they try to get the job done as cheap as possible and they cut corners and then KaBoom! Rebuild motor.

yep there's my dislexia (and bad spelling) getting the best of me again. Yes i did mean the lower portion of the intake. I can understand about what you are all saying about using it smartly though. I think i just want that power there all the time you know.

12-03-2004, 06:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	You are CORRECT. A bad blower tune is just as bad as a bad nitrous application. If you manage your a/f properly and do not add too much hp so the bottom end holds up, you are good to go no matter what power adder you use. Of course, using nitrous requires the use of other safety features (WOT switch, etc...). One could make the arguement that nitrous is actually safer (less motor strain) as you use it much less frequently than a blower that is always providing boost. In short, nitrous does NOT tear the motor up each timje you use it, but you can burn a piston is you run too lean. So will a turbo or a SC for that matter. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

12-03-2004, 09:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Nitrous gets a bad rap. I race with guys who have no problems at all on stock motors. Just set it up right and get it tuned and your good to go. Just don't expect to spray a 300 shot on a stock engine and have it last very long. You can't beat it when it comes to bang for the buck. I know alot of guys who say it's cheating because the power is not there all the time. I say as long as it's there when you need what's the difference. A friend of mine has about the same mod's as I do only he has a 5 speed with 4.10 gears and I have an auto with 4.30's. We raced at the track, race #1 he sprayed a 100 shot and killed me 11.7 to a 13.04, race #2 no spray I beat him 13.1 to 14.2 he missed 4th gear, lol. But I tree'd him .045 to .445 so it was over at the start anyway. My best that day was 12.89, his 12.99 but on the spray he ran a 11.56 @ 114. Not bad for a 500 dollar mod. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

12-04-2004, 02:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,213	Like they said nitrous gets a really bad rap. but when used correctly aka colder plugs fuel upgrade (if needed) and not being an idiot its fine. most of those storyies i have heard of people with blowing motors, was from people who used to large a shot thinking it was ok. did not do fuel upgrades and ran a larger shot that the fuel system could not handle. or were just being dumb such as perging into the motor, using it at very very low rpms, doing burnouts with it etc.. its asctually a very safe power adder if your not an idiot. also most of those stories i hear are from ricers. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

12-05-2004, 06:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chopper Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Parkersburg Wv. Posts: 257	N2o is safe if used properly.The Germans used it in their fighter planes in WWII,the only problem was if their bottle went empty!!! __________________ 04 Mustang GT M5,1200 H-D Sportster Street Legal Drag Bike.1942 Flathead Chopper.1960 Cessna 172.(yes it's been modded too) BUY AMERICAN!!!

12-05-2004, 04:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	I ran into a couple of guys this summer who said that to me at a car show. Neither of them had any personal experience with the stuff. Think about that statement. What is nitrous? Is is merely nitrogen and oxygen....that's it. Spraying nitrous is really not much different than pumping oxygen with a turbo or SC. Either way oxygen is oxygen. More oxygen allows you to feed more fuel and bingo, you get more hp. As long as your tune is good and you don't overdue the amount of spray or psi with a turbo, you are fine. People should not make statements like that at least not ones that quantitative. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

12-04-2004, 03:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Scott02GT Yeah, right Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 107	N2O is very safe if used properly, anyone tells you different has no clue. It is definetly the king of bang for the buck. I am thinkning aobut a small shot, somthing to mess with now and use later as a added IC to my turbo setup.

12-05-2004, 04:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	Isn't it true that for every shot of nos you lose a couple thousand miles out of the engine life!

12-26-2004, 03:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
fast01gt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 143	I think the only negative with nitrous is on our car we hae that piece of crap plastic upper intake. I have seen pictures of ones that were just tore apart by nitrous. Turbos and supercahrgers are not going to do that.

12-26-2004, 04:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
Scott02GT Yeah, right Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 107	Not at all, thats a farce, you can run for years with a good tune, I know, I have done it Most people actually think N2O is flamable due to a certain band of rogue aisans blowing up a car once lol

12-27-2004, 07:28 AM	#13 (permalink)
gtnumber2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 289	zex makes a great nitrous kit that will give you everything you need if you stay small.

12-27-2004, 04:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	He is talking about the lower intake. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

12-27-2004, 04:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	OK. I see what ya mean. Probably just a typo. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

12-28-2004, 04:56 AM	#19 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,213	uh? the upper and lower intakes on our cars are plastic what are you guys talking about? unless you have a bullit ot 4v its plastic upper and lower intake. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

12-28-2004, 05:36 AM	#20 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,370	OK, we are obviously not all talking about the same thing. Is not the plenum the "upper intake" and the section below the plenum the "lower intake"? __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

12-28-2004, 10:19 PM	#22 (permalink)
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