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Old 12-03-2004 | 12:19 PM
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Default What's so bad about using nitrous?

why is it that some people are all for nitrous and some are totally against it but they are still ok with the idea of installing a supercharger or turbo system?

personally i see nothing wrong with nitrous its the best bang for the buck mod out there.

i would just like to know if its true that nitrous tears your engine up each time you spray?
 
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Old 12-03-2004 | 07:38 PM
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You are CORRECT.

A bad blower tune is just as bad as a bad nitrous application. If you manage your a/f properly and do not add too much hp so the bottom end holds up, you are good to go no matter what power adder you use. Of course, using nitrous requires the use of other safety features (WOT switch, etc...).

One could make the arguement that nitrous is actually safer (less motor strain) as you use it much less frequently than a blower that is always providing boost.

In short, nitrous does NOT tear the motor up each timje you use it, but you can burn a piston is you run too lean. So will a turbo or a SC for that matter.
 
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Old 12-03-2004 | 10:35 PM
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Nitrous gets a bad rap. I race with guys who have no problems at all on stock motors. Just set it up right and get it tuned and your good to go.
Just don't expect to spray a 300 shot on a stock engine and have it last very long. You can't beat it when it comes to bang for the buck. I know alot of guys who say it's cheating because the power is not there all the time. I say as long as it's there when you need what's the difference. A friend of mine has about the same mod's as I do only he has a 5 speed with 4.10 gears and I have an auto with 4.30's. We raced at the track, race #1 he sprayed a 100 shot and killed me 11.7 to a 13.04, race #2 no spray I beat him 13.1 to 14.2 he missed 4th gear, lol. But I tree'd him .045 to .445 so it was over at the start anyway. My best that day was 12.89, his 12.99 but on the spray he ran a 11.56 @ 114. Not bad for a 500 dollar mod.
 
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Old 12-04-2004 | 03:51 PM
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Like they said nitrous gets a really bad rap. but when used correctly aka colder plugs fuel upgrade (if needed) and not being an idiot its fine. most of those storyies i have heard of people with blowing motors, was from people who used to large a shot thinking it was ok. did not do fuel upgrades and ran a larger shot that the fuel system could not handle.
or were just being dumb such as perging into the motor, using it at very very low rpms, doing burnouts with it etc.. its asctually a very safe power adder if your not an idiot. also most of those stories i hear are from ricers.
 
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Old 12-04-2004 | 04:17 PM
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N2O is very safe if used properly, anyone tells you different has no clue. It is definetly the king of bang for the buck. I am thinkning aobut a small shot, somthing to mess with now and use later as a added IC to my turbo setup.
 
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Old 12-05-2004 | 07:21 AM
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N2o is safe if used properly.The Germans used it in their fighter planes in WWII,the only problem was if their bottle went empty!!!
 
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Old 12-05-2004 | 05:10 PM
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Isn't it true that for every shot of nos you lose a couple thousand miles out of the engine life!
 
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Old 12-05-2004 | 05:54 PM
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I ran into a couple of guys this summer who said that to me at a car show. Neither of them had any personal experience with the stuff.

Think about that statement. What is nitrous? Is is merely nitrogen and oxygen....that's it. Spraying nitrous is really not much different than pumping oxygen with a turbo or SC. Either way oxygen is oxygen. More oxygen allows you to feed more fuel and bingo, you get more hp.

As long as your tune is good and you don't overdue the amount of spray or psi with a turbo, you are fine. People should not make statements like that at least not ones that quantitative.
 
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Old 12-05-2004 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Stangdude27
Isn't it true that for every shot of nos you lose a couple thousand miles out of the engine life!

NOt true what so ever.
 
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Old 12-26-2004 | 04:32 PM
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I think the only negative with nitrous is on our car we hae that piece of crap plastic upper intake. I have seen pictures of ones that were just tore apart by nitrous. Turbos and supercahrgers are not going to do that.
 
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Old 12-26-2004 | 05:16 PM
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Not at all, thats a farce, you can run for years with a good tune, I know, I have done it Most people actually think N2O is flamable due to a certain band of rogue aisans blowing up a car once lol
 
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Old 12-26-2004 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fast01gt
I think the only negative with nitrous is on our car we hae that piece of crap plastic upper intake. I have seen pictures of ones that were just tore apart by nitrous. Turbos and supercahrgers are not going to do that.
It's actually the actually the lower intake that is plastic and brakes. I totally agree with what most people are saying, I have a friend with a 2000 GT with N2O and he's has a good tune and he's not stupid about it. N20 is just one of those things you have to be smart about, you can't half *** the install you need to have the proper equipment (i.e. - bottle warmer, purge, etc.) I seriously think that's most people's problem they try to get the job done as cheap as possible and they cut corners and then KaBoom! Rebuild motor.
 
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Old 12-27-2004 | 08:28 AM
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zex makes a great nitrous kit that will give you everything you need if you stay small.
 
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Old 12-27-2004 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Silvr04GT
It's actually the actually the lower intake that is plastic and brakes. I totally agree with what most people are saying, I have a friend with a 2000 GT with N2O and he's has a good tune and he's not stupid about it. N20 is just one of those things you have to be smart about, you can't half *** the install you need to have the proper equipment (i.e. - bottle warmer, purge, etc.) I seriously think that's most people's problem they try to get the job done as cheap as possible and they cut corners and then KaBoom! Rebuild motor.

Bottle warmer and purge are not needed to be safe. all that is needed is a FPSS,Window Switch,Fuel pump. and i think these are really only need once you hit the 100hp mark.The smaller shots on our cars are totaly fine without fuel upgrades. And are whole intake setup is plastic upper and lower.
 
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Old 12-27-2004 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
Bottle warmer and purge are not needed to be safe. all that is needed is a FPSS,Window Switch,Fuel pump. and i think these are really only need once you hit the 100hp mark.The smaller shots on our cars are totaly fine without fuel upgrades. And are whole intake setup is plastic upper and lower.
I really don't think the intake plenum in a 99 and newer GT is plastic or else how the heck did mine get ported and polished?
 
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Old 12-27-2004 | 05:28 PM
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He is talking about the lower intake.
 
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Old 12-27-2004 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
And are whole intake setup is plastic upper and lower.
He said upper and lower.
 
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Old 12-27-2004 | 05:32 PM
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OK. I see what ya mean. Probably just a typo.
 
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Old 12-28-2004 | 05:56 AM
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uh? the upper and lower intakes on our cars are plastic what are you guys talking about? unless you have a bullit ot 4v its plastic upper and lower intake.
 
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Old 12-28-2004 | 06:36 AM
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OK, we are obviously not all talking about the same thing. Is not the plenum the "upper intake" and the section below the plenum the "lower intake"?
 
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Old 12-28-2004 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
OK, we are obviously not all talking about the same thing. Is not the plenum the "upper intake" and the section below the plenum the "lower intake"?

Lol no that is like you said the plenum it is not the upper intake at all.

the upper intake is what the plenum is bolted to, the upper intake sits on top of the lower intake manifodl they are both plastic. Like i said unless it is a built or a 4v it is plastic.
 
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Old 12-28-2004 | 11:19 PM
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I thought the plenum was bolted to the lower intake...
 
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Old 12-29-2004 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Silvr04GT
It's actually the actually the lower intake that is plastic and brakes. I totally agree with what most people are saying, I have a friend with a 2000 GT with N2O and he's has a good tune and he's not stupid about it. N20 is just one of those things you have to be smart about, you can't half *** the install you need to have the proper equipment (i.e. - bottle warmer, purge, etc.) I seriously think that's most people's problem they try to get the job done as cheap as possible and they cut corners and then KaBoom! Rebuild motor.

yep there's my dislexia (and bad spelling) getting the best of me again. Yes i did mean the lower portion of the intake. I can understand about what you are all saying about using it smartly though. I think i just want that power there all the time you know.
 
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Old 12-30-2004 | 05:03 PM
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Ive had the Venom 1000 kit on my car for 4 or so years with the stock fuel pump and tune (very safe system) my car does'nt even puff a hint of smoke any color! There are many bood and safe systems out there, Just as long as you dont go crazy with a big shot. Ive been running a 75 -100 shot trouble free! I tried a 125shot the car actually ran slower due to runnin abit lean! so I went back to the 100. Bottom line you cannot beat NOS bang for the buck! even on dynos! my buddy and I have basically the same mods w/exception of him running a S/C and me NOS and my car put out over 40ftlb. more then his w/out a tune! :happy9:
 
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Old 01-02-2005 | 02:07 PM
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The plenum is considered the upper part of the intake on our cars. The lower is one very large unit. The upper is made of alum. and can be ported. The Bullitt is actually a 2 pc. unit which can be taken apart ( more of a half and half) and extrude hone ported.
 
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Old 01-02-2005 | 07:29 PM
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no the plenum is the plenum and the upper Intake is the plastic part it is bolted to. It is tha name of the part, and thats that. So like i said our upper and lower intakes are plastic.
 
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Old 01-02-2005 | 09:37 PM
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the plastic intake bolts straight to the block...its the lower intake. The only part to be considered the upper intake is the intake plenum. Go tear your engine apart if you think there is another piece in there.
 
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Old 01-03-2005 | 11:33 AM
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Yep, there are only two components. Aluminum upper plenum and plastic lower. I have had mine apart many times.
 
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Old 01-04-2005 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue02GT
Yep, there are only two components. Aluminum upper plenum and plastic lower. I have had mine apart many times.
There are definetly two parts!! I think its just misunderstood on what its called? I ve herd the upper alum. plenum also called "the upper elbow" and it mounts to the throttle body! Blue02GT is correct! I just took mine apart last week to install the new "Trickflow" upper intake and yes! it Bolts on to the lower plastic part which is the actual intake!
 
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