Crack in the Inlet tube

foncarelli · 05-31-2006, 02:25 PM

I just got off the phone with Livernois Motorsport and they said that my inlet pipe has a crack in it. I know exactly where the crack is and didnt think it would be that much of a problem. The crack/split is right at the head unit where the clamps are. How much can this actually effect the air flow and is it as serious as they are making it out to be? I think i shoud just get a power pipe rather than pay 130 bucks for a plastic replacement from Procharger. I really didnt want to get a power pipe because i am pushing the hp as it is. Should is just tell them to put it back on and get my car or should i let them replace it with another plastic tube from Procharger. :bash:

spike_africa · 05-31-2006, 02:58 PM

get the power pipe instead of the stocker.

2000novigt · 05-31-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike_africa

get the power pipe instead of the stocker.

:stupid:

95STANG · 05-31-2006, 06:27 PM

Power Pipe

Badfish · 05-31-2006, 08:08 PM

another for the power pipe

Icefreezen · 05-31-2006, 08:16 PM

Get the powa pipe

matrixpuba · 06-01-2006, 02:36 AM

get the power pipe and have your tuner pull some timing

foncarelli · 06-02-2006, 02:55 PM

Got the car back today and i must admit that its running 100 % better. I will try to get some video over the weekend. I didnt do the power pipe.

whitethunder46 · 06-02-2006, 03:00 PM

why did you even ask, lol

Everyone said power pipe and you just got the replacement, that's kinda funny. lol

foncarelli · 06-02-2006, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitethunder46

why did you even ask, lol

Everyone said power pipe and you just got the replacement, that's kinda funny. lol

I didnt do neither one. I had them tape it up. They charged me an arm and a leg for the little bit of work they did. I could get a power pipe later and put it on myself. Plus i would need another tune. You talking 450 to the 350 they already charged me. Thats not even including the installation on the ppipe.

Blk02stang · 06-02-2006, 04:06 PM

jus put some JB-weld on it, smooth it out and it will be just fine lol. I've seen a motor that threw a rod through the side of the block put back together with it and the motor still runs just fine to this day boosted making 300+ hp.

WaterDR · 06-02-2006, 07:39 PM

Ok, I know this will cause some contraversy, but I am good at that, so here goes.

When you have a blower, your motor is not so much limited to hp, but rather to boost. Thusly, you should max out your setup based on boost rather then hp. On a stock motor, 10 lbs is about the max safe level. The idea is that you run 10 lbs of boost, set your a/f where you want it (safe tune) and live with the power production that you get.

Anything that you can do to improve the efficiency of your exhaust or your intake will make your setup more efficient. As such, you will get more hp at teh same level of boost. As you increase efficiency, you are really not putting more hp on the block, just getting more of it to the tires.

As such, I say get the power pipe. However, the gains may not be worth the added cost of a tune.

Over the winter, I plan on adding ported heads, blower cams, and LT's. With my current tune (conservative), I am at about 380 hp at 9-10 lbs of boost. Those listed mods should be good for another 30 - 40 hp, but still running the same boost levels.

Keep in mind, that I am no expert, but this is how it was explained to me by someone I trust and it makes sense. I hope I was listening correctly.

whitethunder46 · 06-02-2006, 08:11 PM

the whole point of a power pipe is that it adds another 1-2psi of boost. Thus if if you have a 3.33 pulley making 10PSI, add a power pipe you may now be making 12PSI.

Therefore a powerpipe may not be the best thing if your already at 9-10psi of boost?

This is what I've been taught. You are right about the HP and boost levels, and adding other mods will bring the HP to the wheels, but the power pipe is a direct result of added boost in the engine.

foncarelli · 06-02-2006, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!

Ok, I know this will cause some contraversy, but I am good at that, so here goes.

When you have a blower, your motor is not so much limited to hp, but rather to boost. Thusly, you should max out your setup based on boost rather then hp. On a stock motor, 10 lbs is about the max safe level. The idea is that you run 10 lbs of boost, set your a/f where you want it (safe tune) and live with the power production that you get.

Anything that you can do to improve the efficiency of your exhaust or your intake will make your setup more efficient. As such, you will get more hp at teh same level of boost. As you increase efficiency, you are really not putting more hp on the block, just getting more of it to the tires.

As such, I say get the power pipe. However, the gains may not be worth the added cost of a tune.

Over the winter, I plan on adding ported heads, blower cams, and LT's. With my current tune (conservative), I am at about 380 hp at 9-10 lbs of boost. Those listed mods should be good for another 30 - 40 hp, but still running the same boost levels.

Keep in mind, that I am no expert, but this is how it was explained to me by someone I trust and it makes sense. I hope I was listening correctly.

Well put and i agree.

I also plan on doing LT's and a 3in exhaust set up.

SlickSilverVert · 06-06-2006, 09:45 PM

Im not so sure, my shop says - 400 rwhp is it regaurdless of boost, bc the rods are max rated at 450 hp - so pretty much anything past 400 at the rear is only a matter of time. I know this guys knows his stuff bc hes personallly installed over 400 prochargers. I'm not trying to argue here - but do you agree with the 450 hp limit?

matrixpuba · 06-07-2006, 09:11 AM

my tuner has a few procharge cars running around with much more than 400rwhp. it all in the tune and how you drive it. you could have only 350 rwhp but you beat on it all the time and maybe get a bad tank of gas. what do you think will happen? look at foncarelli, 390 at the wheels through an auto. what do you think it would be if it was a stick? bet his motor will last a while.

05-31-2006, 02:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
foncarelli Everyday Im Hustlin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ecorse, Michigan Posts: 3,654	Crack in the Inlet tube I just got off the phone with Livernois Motorsport and they said that my inlet pipe has a crack in it. I know exactly where the crack is and didnt think it would be that much of a problem. The crack/split is right at the head unit where the clamps are. How much can this actually effect the air flow and is it as serious as they are making it out to be? I think i shoud just get a power pipe rather than pay 130 bucks for a plastic replacement from Procharger. I really didnt want to get a power pipe because i am pushing the hp as it is. Should is just tell them to put it back on and get my car or should i let them replace it with another plastic tube from Procharger. :bash: __________________

05-31-2006, 02:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	get the power pipe instead of the stocker. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

05-31-2006, 06:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
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05-31-2006, 08:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
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06-01-2006, 02:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
matrixpuba Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 1,103	get the power pipe and have your tuner pull some timing __________________ pics->http://www.modularpowerhouse.com/for...?do=view&g=158 vid at idle->http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...t=5ab47c14.flv

06-02-2006, 02:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
foncarelli Everyday Im Hustlin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ecorse, Michigan Posts: 3,654	Got the car back today and i must admit that its running 100 % better. I will try to get some video over the weekend. I didnt do the power pipe. __________________

06-02-2006, 03:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	why did you even ask, lol Everyone said power pipe and you just got the replacement, that's kinda funny. lol __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

06-02-2006, 04:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	jus put some JB-weld on it, smooth it out and it will be just fine lol. I've seen a motor that threw a rod through the side of the block put back together with it and the motor still runs just fine to this day boosted making 300+ hp. __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

06-02-2006, 07:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	Ok, I know this will cause some contraversy, but I am good at that, so here goes. When you have a blower, your motor is not so much limited to hp, but rather to boost. Thusly, you should max out your setup based on boost rather then hp. On a stock motor, 10 lbs is about the max safe level. The idea is that you run 10 lbs of boost, set your a/f where you want it (safe tune) and live with the power production that you get. Anything that you can do to improve the efficiency of your exhaust or your intake will make your setup more efficient. As such, you will get more hp at teh same level of boost. As you increase efficiency, you are really not putting more hp on the block, just getting more of it to the tires. As such, I say get the power pipe. However, the gains may not be worth the added cost of a tune. Over the winter, I plan on adding ported heads, blower cams, and LT's. With my current tune (conservative), I am at about 380 hp at 9-10 lbs of boost. Those listed mods should be good for another 30 - 40 hp, but still running the same boost levels. Keep in mind, that I am no expert, but this is how it was explained to me by someone I trust and it makes sense. I hope I was listening correctly. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

06-02-2006, 08:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	the whole point of a power pipe is that it adds another 1-2psi of boost. Thus if if you have a 3.33 pulley making 10PSI, add a power pipe you may now be making 12PSI. Therefore a powerpipe may not be the best thing if your already at 9-10psi of boost? This is what I've been taught. You are right about the HP and boost levels, and adding other mods will bring the HP to the wheels, but the power pipe is a direct result of added boost in the engine. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

06-06-2006, 09:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
SlickSilverVert Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 29	Im still wondering Im not so sure, my shop says - 400 rwhp is it regaurdless of boost, bc the rods are max rated at 450 hp - so pretty much anything past 400 at the rear is only a matter of time. I know this guys knows his stuff bc hes personallly installed over 400 prochargers. I'm not trying to argue here - but do you agree with the 450 hp limit?

06-07-2006, 09:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
matrixpuba Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 1,103	my tuner has a few procharge cars running around with much more than 400rwhp. it all in the tune and how you drive it. you could have only 350 rwhp but you beat on it all the time and maybe get a bad tank of gas. what do you think will happen? look at foncarelli, 390 at the wheels through an auto. what do you think it would be if it was a stick? bet his motor will last a while. __________________ pics->http://www.modularpowerhouse.com/for...?do=view&g=158 vid at idle->http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...t=5ab47c14.flv

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