Will i crack my block?

Blue Thunder · 03-01-2005, 06:15 AM

Hi i am trying to figure out the set up i'm going to run with an 02 GT 5-speed i'm worried that i might crack my block.
1. 3.73's
2. DR's
3. Exhaust
4. Steen heads or VT stage 1 cams
5. S/C 8 psi
6. Tri-ax
Will this setup crack my block? If so what should i remove? Is there any way to protect my block? Where can i get a good strong new block that is affordable and can handle 450-550 HP?

spike_africa · 03-01-2005, 07:33 AM

it will be fine.

oohsoobad2 · 03-01-2005, 08:27 AM

These 4.6 blocks are real strong. 4 bolt mains and the crank is deep inside the block.
I cant recall EVER hearing of a 4.6 or 5.4 with a cracked block, if you have problems it will be either rods or pistons.

gtnumber2 · 03-01-2005, 09:22 AM

the 4.6 is a strong block and with those mods you will not hurt it. i met someone that forged the internals and is running 14 psi on his kenni bell for 2 years now with no problems. races at the track every 3 to 4 weeks.

*venom* · 03-01-2005, 02:14 PM

It will be fine as long as you get its tunned dont trust the chip that comes with it.

Vert_Lover · 03-02-2005, 07:18 AM

Connecting Rods and Pistons are good upwards of 450 RWHP... Crank is supposedly pushing 600... The block itself... I believe estimates are up around 1200 on when that'll pop but I haven't read anyone actually doing it...

Islander03GT · 03-02-2005, 09:15 AM

I'd worry about grenading a rear end before cracking a block

*4.6 Love* · 03-02-2005, 03:30 PM

It all depends? There are many variable to consider, if youre gonna be making anything more than 400 rwhp,than I'd start thinking about buying a forged bottom end with forged internals! :icon_flow

Blue Thunder · 03-02-2005, 04:01 PM

So even if i do a S/C with heads, mild cams and a full exhaust with 31 axles, 3.73's, a tune, and some suspension junk i won't crack? AWESOME! :nike:

oohsoobad2 · 03-02-2005, 04:36 PM

Your block will be fine. With heads, exhaust and cams you will be making some real good power. Everything should hold up fine as long as you get a good tune, any amount of detenation and you pistons are gonna break. Honestly, once you get all your parts installed and tuned correctly, Id slowly start to save up for a rebuild because sooner or later you gonna have to do it. The price of Mod motor parts have started to come down a little bit. For like $1899 you can get a shortblock from D.S.S. with forged pistons, that will handle some serious street power.

Blue Thunder · 03-02-2005, 06:54 PM

Whats their website? Also what kind of power should i expect if i did exhaust, cams, heads, C&L plenum and 75mm TB, steeda UDP's, Tri-ax, 3.73's. Can i get away with all that plus an S/C? What power will i make with that setup and what times? Almost forgot add sticky tires to that list and a tune.
:kermit:

oohsoobad2 · 03-02-2005, 08:48 PM

http://www.dssracing.com/

Anything you do to your motor to make it strong N/A will make it even stronger once you get into boost. Depending on how soon and what type of blower you are going to get, you might not want to do some of those mods. For example underdrive pulleys usually wont work with a blower. If you plan on running a Kenne Belle then it will replace your intake so you wouldnt wanna spend the $ on a plenum or throttle body.
Ported heads, cams, a good exhaust and 10psi from any blower should get you atleast 450hp to the wheels.

Blue Thunder · 03-02-2005, 09:54 PM

What will I run with the above setup minus the blower? How much hP and what kind of times? Then the same question with the blower. :icon_smur

oohsoobad2 · 03-02-2005, 11:09 PM

Well its tough to say, but I'll take a guess..

260 hp stock
35-45 hp ported heads and cams
12-15 hp plenum and throttle body
8-10 hp pulleys
-------
315-330 hp. Add gears and some traction and that should be good for low 13's.

Most blower kits will add 100-150 hp at about 9 psi. So figure 415-480 hp. That much power should get you low 12's and possibly 11's. What type of blower are you looking into ???

Blue Thunder · 03-03-2005, 04:30 PM

No offense here but that is just plain stupid and wrong. I know people who have run in the 12's with just like 260 -270 HP Also the cams and heads i'm getting are dyno proven to net together at least 60HP-75HP. I can tell u that with 325-350HP I would be well into the 12's with some good driving.
So maybe u should check your facts befrore u go saying that with 325HP i will run low 13's. Heck i know a guy with only 3.73's and a tri-ax that runs 13.2, no sticky tires or nothin!!! :Thin5:

w01stang · 03-03-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

No offense here but that is just plain stupid and wrong. I know people who have run in the 12's with just like 260 -270 HP Also the cams and heads i'm getting are dyno proven to net together at least 60HP-75HP. I can tell u that with 325-350HP I would be well into the 12's with some good driving.
So maybe u should check your facts befrore u go saying that with 325HP i will run low 13's. Heck i know a guy with only 3.73's and a tri-ax that runs 13.2, no sticky tires or nothin!!! :Thin5:

look everyone knows someone that does this and does that. the truth of the matter is that hp numbers that people say are usually not true... people with fast cars always tend to leave details out cause everyone wants to have the fastest car in town... now 260 bhp will not get 12's... now thats like me gettin 12's and i have like 450 rwhp and then i say to someone that i only have 260 rwhp.. so for 12's some nice mods and good driving are needed on the GT

Blue Thunder · 03-03-2005, 06:03 PM

Look i've seen this guys time slips and i've seen time slips of people running 12.9 with like 265-275 RWHP. I'm saying that with 300-350 RWHP I will easily run 12's with good driving.

w01stang · 03-03-2005, 06:15 PM

ok so they do what a stock Cobra does with 385 hp....hummm i guess they are lucky GT owners congrats

oohsoobad2 · 03-03-2005, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

No offense here but that is just plain stupid and wrong. I know people who have run in the 12's with just like 260 -270 HP Also the cams and heads i'm getting are dyno proven to net together at least 60HP-75HP. I can tell u that with 325-350HP I would be well into the 12's with some good driving.
So maybe u should check your facts befrore u go saying that with 325HP i will run low 13's. Heck i know a guy with only 3.73's and a tri-ax that runs 13.2, no sticky tires or nothin!!! :Thin5:

Well if thats true, then why are you asking so many questions ??? If you look at what I posted, I start with stock 260hp thats flywheel. Those mods should add up to 310-330 FLYWHEEL hp, roughly 285 at the wheels. Sorry I didnt spell it out to you. I have yet to see ANY ported head and cam combo add 60-75HP N/A. You must know the best head porter in the world.

Look i've seen this guys time slips and i've seen time slips of people running 12.9 with like 265-275 RWHP. I'm saying that with 300-350 RWHP I will easily run 12's with good driving

The facts ?? The fact is how can you claim yourself to be a good driver when youve never ran you car ??? Ive been following these Mod cars since 1999 and the only bolt-on cars Ive seen in the 12's have weight reduction, sticky tires and badass driving. Take your car to the track and see if you can get it into the 13's stock that takes a damn good driver.... I know, I did it.

w01stang · 03-03-2005, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oohsoobad2

Well if thats true, then why are you asking so many questions ??? If you look at what I posted, I start with stock 260hp thats flywheel. Those mods should add up to 310-330 FLYWHEEL hp, roughly 285 at the wheels. Sorry I didnt spell it out to you. I have yet to see ANY ported head and cam combo add 60-75HP N/A. You must know the best head porter in the world.

Look i've seen this guys time slips and i've seen time slips of people running 12.9 with like 265-275 RWHP. I'm saying that with 300-350 RWHP I will easily run 12's with good driving

The facts ?? The fact is how can you claim yourself to be a good driver when youve never ran you car ??? Ive been following these Mod cars since 1999 and the only bolt-on cars Ive seen in the 12's have weight reduction, sticky tires and badass driving. Take your car to the track and see if you can get it into the 13's stock that takes a damn good driver.... I know, I did it.

i agree with oohsoobad2

Blue Thunder · 03-03-2005, 09:25 PM

Look all i'm sayin is what the tech guy at the local shop said about this setup and from what i've heard from some of my friends that drive a stang with some of those mods.

Vert_Lover · 03-04-2005, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

Look all i'm sayin is what the tech guy at the local shop said about this setup and from what i've heard from some of my friends that drive a stang with some of those mods.

If you already know everything why are you bothering to ask the questions here? Here's a piece of advice... when you ask for advice and opinions... take them, or just don't ask.

03-01-2005, 06:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Will i crack my block? Hi i am trying to figure out the set up i'm going to run with an 02 GT 5-speed i'm worried that i might crack my block. 1. 3.73's 2. DR's 3. Exhaust 4. Steen heads or VT stage 1 cams 5. S/C 8 psi 6. Tri-ax Will this setup crack my block? If so what should i remove? Is there any way to protect my block? Where can i get a good strong new block that is affordable and can handle 450-550 HP?

03-01-2005, 07:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 6,971	it will be fine. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

03-01-2005, 02:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
venom Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,270	It will be fine as long as you get its tunned dont trust the chip that comes with it. __________________ http://www.mustangboards.com/mustang...500/ppuser/103

03-02-2005, 09:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
Islander03GT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Simi Valley, Ca Posts: 717	I'd worry about grenading a rear end before cracking a block __________________ John V 06 Honda Accord SE- Daily Driver 83 Jeep Cherokee W/T- Off Road Toy 02 Mineral Gray V6 Vert- Girlfriends No more: 03 GT- The Problem Child

03-02-2005, 03:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
4.6 Love Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mexico Posts: 6,132	It all depends? There are many variable to consider, if youre gonna be making anything more than 400 rwhp,than I'd start thinking about buying a forged bottom end with forged internals! :icon_flow __________________ Go Cowboys! X pipe and flows

03-01-2005, 08:27 AM	#3 (permalink)
oohsoobad2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	These 4.6 blocks are real strong. 4 bolt mains and the crank is deep inside the block. I cant recall EVER hearing of a 4.6 or 5.4 with a cracked block, if you have problems it will be either rods or pistons.

03-01-2005, 09:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
gtnumber2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 289	the 4.6 is a strong block and with those mods you will not hurt it. i met someone that forged the internals and is running 14 psi on his kenni bell for 2 years now with no problems. races at the track every 3 to 4 weeks.

03-02-2005, 07:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
Vert_Lover Loving my Convertible Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 78	Connecting Rods and Pistons are good upwards of 450 RWHP... Crank is supposedly pushing 600... The block itself... I believe estimates are up around 1200 on when that'll pop but I haven't read anyone actually doing it...

03-02-2005, 04:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	So even if i do a S/C with heads, mild cams and a full exhaust with 31 axles, 3.73's, a tune, and some suspension junk i won't crack? AWESOME! :nike:

03-02-2005, 04:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
oohsoobad2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Your block will be fine. With heads, exhaust and cams you will be making some real good power. Everything should hold up fine as long as you get a good tune, any amount of detenation and you pistons are gonna break. Honestly, once you get all your parts installed and tuned correctly, Id slowly start to save up for a rebuild because sooner or later you gonna have to do it. The price of Mod motor parts have started to come down a little bit. For like $1899 you can get a shortblock from D.S.S. with forged pistons, that will handle some serious street power.

03-02-2005, 06:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Whats their website? Also what kind of power should i expect if i did exhaust, cams, heads, C&L plenum and 75mm TB, steeda UDP's, Tri-ax, 3.73's. Can i get away with all that plus an S/C? What power will i make with that setup and what times? Almost forgot add sticky tires to that list and a tune. :kermit:

03-02-2005, 08:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
oohsoobad2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	http://www.dssracing.com/ Anything you do to your motor to make it strong N/A will make it even stronger once you get into boost. Depending on how soon and what type of blower you are going to get, you might not want to do some of those mods. For example underdrive pulleys usually wont work with a blower. If you plan on running a Kenne Belle then it will replace your intake so you wouldnt wanna spend the $ on a plenum or throttle body. Ported heads, cams, a good exhaust and 10psi from any blower should get you atleast 450hp to the wheels.

03-02-2005, 09:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	What will I run with the above setup minus the blower? How much hP and what kind of times? Then the same question with the blower. :icon_smur

03-02-2005, 11:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
oohsoobad2 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Well its tough to say, but I'll take a guess.. 260 hp stock 35-45 hp ported heads and cams 12-15 hp plenum and throttle body 8-10 hp pulleys ------- 315-330 hp. Add gears and some traction and that should be good for low 13's. Most blower kits will add 100-150 hp at about 9 psi. So figure 415-480 hp. That much power should get you low 12's and possibly 11's. What type of blower are you looking into ???

03-03-2005, 04:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	No offense here but that is just plain stupid and wrong. I know people who have run in the 12's with just like 260 -270 HP Also the cams and heads i'm getting are dyno proven to net together at least 60HP-75HP. I can tell u that with 325-350HP I would be well into the 12's with some good driving. So maybe u should check your facts befrore u go saying that with 325HP i will run low 13's. Heck i know a guy with only 3.73's and a tri-ax that runs 13.2, no sticky tires or nothin!!! :Thin5:

03-03-2005, 06:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Look i've seen this guys time slips and i've seen time slips of people running 12.9 with like 265-275 RWHP. I'm saying that with 300-350 RWHP I will easily run 12's with good driving.

03-03-2005, 06:15 PM	#18 (permalink)
w01stang Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 291	ok so they do what a stock Cobra does with 385 hp....hummm i guess they are lucky GT owners congrats __________________ Installed: Ford C Springs, Mach1 chin & grille delete, SLP Cat-back, Bilstein shocks, UPR short shifter, Steeda CAI, Steeda Underdrive Pully, SCT tunerII, 5.0 Forged Stoker Kit Future: Upgrade suspension and brakes, new Heads, Kenne Bell SC

03-03-2005, 09:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	Look all i'm sayin is what the tech guy at the local shop said about this setup and from what i've heard from some of my friends that drive a stang with some of those mods.

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