I know I have a little more room then the mustang under my hood

Ill have to measure my work trucks height compared to mine To see exactly how much I would need.

how much are we looking at paying for the intake? If you have any idea

 

so what year trucks (and vans?) have 5.4 2v PI engines?

 

SicOne, intakes are targeted at under a Grand. I'm hoping we'll see them for 800 or so which isn't unreasonable. The 5.4 specific intake will be a big power helper for us but won't make much power without cams to support it.

From what I know at least 97-04 F series and E series Ford trucks and vans came with the option of a 5.4L. The 250 and 350 series started with the 5.4 and had a 6.8L V10 option and a Diesel option. The PI series heads didn't make it into trucks and vans until 2000 and went till 04', then the 3v took over in 05'.

FWIW, anyone that's got a hard on for it, the V10 will fit under the hood but you'll need a computer from the donor truck to run it and no intake options exist, so you'll have to have one made. MM&FF did a story on a factory Ford testbed car set up with a v10 and it was unfukkin-believable.

 

i've read that article but i heard it sounded like crap.

 

depends on what you call crap.. it did sound like a viper but that's the nature of the V10...different exhaust pulse than a V8 so it sounds more raspy than lopey.

oh yeah... and the article was in muscle mustangs and fast fords... Could someone work the database on this board and get rid of the substitution of 2 m's with Maximum Motorsports... we're all looking like idiots everytime we forget about the automatic rewriting.

 

If I remember correctly, that was not the production 6.8L Modular V10. It was something they pieced together -- read welding blocks together. Really kick-*** though. The one I'm talking about they called the Boss 351.

 

yes ford grafted 2 extra cylinders to a V8 block and crank journals...custom made intake

it had 2 computers for each bank...and fired 2 cylinders at the same time

 

that's the one...

They wanted different displacement than the 6.8 provided... they really wanted the 5.8L (351cid) to hit the retro mark.

It's the same basic deal though, just with the 6.8L you're dealing with a 5.4L with 2 extra cylinders instead of a 4.6L with tw extra cylinders. The firing 2 cylinders at a time ended them up with that viper sound that floppy hated so much. 2 cylinders firing at the same time would mean ungodly torque. Must be nice to be Ford's SVT guys.. they get to play with anything they can justify.

Come on guys... keep posting. i want 200 in here. This is like a little sub-community of its own. Thanks to every one of you, it's been fun the whole time.

 

there is a video of it somewhere...i thought it sounded awsome...

here is the link

http://www.automotiveadrenaline.com/v10mule.wmv

 

OK then...

I'm looking for a 2000-2004 truck motor then any issue with the transmission?

and there should be a manifold available in the next year maybe?

seems to me that if one is replacing the motor anyway it doesn't make any sense not to go with the 5.4l

 

Oh my god i've read the article on that BOSS but never saw the video until now. Wow i would buy that in a heart beat. I thought it sounded pretty bad a$$ too. Maybe i should rethink this 5.4 and go for the V10. If i had more money i probably would. I'm still young maybe one day.

 

yes but that is not the average truck triton V10...

i have a friend that put a triton V10 in his, stupid huge hood, 2 weeks to fix the wiring, made like 250hp/450tq....on a 100 shot 360hp/650tq
it had to kind of top end charge
everything was custom built, tranny mounts brace, bell housing, i mean everything

 

My best friend is a Heavy Line Tech at Classic Chevorlet which sells the most volume in Texas. I ran doing this swap by him and he said if I got the parts he would do the swap for free as long as I let him borrow it on occasion. My dad is owner of a small local shop. So I have a place to do it, the tools to do it and the mechanical ability needed to do it. Now all I need is the parts. My current car has 17,000 miles. I have till 07 on the driveline warranty. IS it worth doing it?

Roughly how much would this cost? I've read through the entire thread and basically you guys have talked about how your swaps have gone. But I have seen no writeup or parts list. Where are you guys searching for your motors. I would want a pretty low mile motor. Nobody has said what the best car to get these out of is and exactly what parts are needed.

You guys all seem very knowledgable about this and sorry I've some of these questions have been answered and I missed over them.

Thanks,
Nik

 

you have the killer deal. Only you can decide if it's right for you. We can offer help in making it happen but situational advice isn't usually a good idea. We don't know you well enough to judge your destiny.

It costs as little as 2500 bucks or as much as you can afford and then some. We've done some fairly detailed how-to's but I'll cover it again just for you:

get a motor, a set of Reichard Racing intake adapter plates, a PI intake or Bullit intake, or whatever 4.6 PI intake makes you hot, an 8 bolt clutch and flywheel appropriate to your needs, an exhaust shop to do some exhaust welding, and that is really it... more if you want, less if you don't. You must understand that you're only bolting in a new bottom end in essence, so almost nothing changes... that's the point.

You'll need to deal with hood clearance by cutting a tad from the support structure near the back of it. You'll need to grind down a bit on the exhaust manifold to clear (you'll know how mcuh and where when you go to install it, you don't put the motor in with the exhaust because it's a bitch). You may have to extend a wire or two, maybe. You'll know if you do.

That's the parts list. A motor and an intake and a clutch. You'll mod the exhaust a tad and the hood a tad. then take it for a tune and go nuts.

did I miss anything Saleen330...

The best car to get a motor from is a wrecked new one.

 

Thanks for all the help and the quick response! The stock intake does not bolt up but a 01 Bullitt intake does?

Thanks,
Nik

 

hate quoting myself but i said i "heard" that it sounded like crap but after watching that video... damn.. it sounds just like a 4.6 but with a hell of a lot more power...

 

I know it would be insane to do so i know it will never happen. I think ford should sell the longblock of that motor they put in the actual car with everything you need to make it work. Even the intake they had on it.

 

no 1 4.6 intake will work by itself...thats why you will need the reichard racing intake adapter plates, to mount to the 5.4 heads, the your 4.6 intake to the plates

i know you will have to put your 4.6 oil pan on the 5.4 motor, and modify the baffle's in the pan for crank clearance...

 

Thought about it today and figure If I could get a nice loan to throw a Lightning drivetrain, Will the trans bolt in and everything? If anyone knows. I know about the hood cleance issue and well Ill figure out how to deal with that. Ive seen a few huge cowls on some cars around here, Even a few that had pretty much the motor with a blower out of the hood I.E. a AMC Gremlin(dont know about spelling) With a 350 Blower. So im not positive on legal limit

 

that would be a pretty custom install but nothing too hard core. The L tranny is pretty stout and I don't know if it'll fit in your tranny tunnel but I'd venture to guess that it's just a saw and a welder away from fitting even if it won't as it sits. You'll have a gob of wiring harness changes under the hood and to the tranny to make it work and you know well enough about the hood issue but for all intents and purposes it's the same swap plus a blower. The bellhousings are the same. Your GT computer should probably be swapped for the L computer (My 5.4s all have knock sensors in the valley, so the L probably does too and you'd benefit from those from a engine safety standpoint, I don't know if the GT computer supports the knock sensors).

If you're really serious and not just exploring, I can put in a couple questions to some of my buddies on other forums and find out if they can be more helpful.

The short answer is yes, it'd largely work but you'll have a lot more effort to install it.

I'd give a nut to drive such a Lincoln I'll tell you that.

EDIT:
If you are goinig to do such a thing, I'd look into a 9" rear end. That's a lot of power to put through an 8.8 unless you spend a grip to beef it up and even then there's just so much torque in such a combo that you might crack an axle tube or the diff housing proper. IIRC muscle mustangs and ff's Frightning car had a similar issue...but they beat the hell out of that thing. Should'a called that one the red headed step child the way they whooped on it.

EDIT2:
Oh yeah and POST # 200 beyotches. Outstanding run.

 

MMPerformance here in Charlotte has a Lightning Motor swapped (Purple GT, was in 5.0 Mustang and Superfords King of the Street Shootout in 2005), and is currently working a modular 6.8L V10 Swap. Those guys are crazy. They are currently putting in a 324 BB Stroker Twin Turbo that should exceed 1000rwhp. They've already made 771rwhp with the Stock Cobra shortblock.

Crazy bunch of guys down there.
Philip K.

 

That would make it more worth it to do. so give me about a year and ill make a trip down to you haha j/k

looking at it I think getting a block with forged internals and then add the blower would be cheaper. Then the performace tranny and a tune

 

that's the ticket. and you can keep a reasonable hood right....

 

i have talked to a guy named Terry Johnson, he owns Street Lethal Perf. in Edinburg, PA....he has put a 5.4 2V in his 96 w/vortech and auto....

he knows whats involved in the swap, and where ALL the troubles lie, as he has done several swaps like this in his shop.
his car was featured in MMFF June 05 (finding car 5.4) its white /cobra r hood and shaker scoop.....BAD @$$....

i dont know why i havent mentioned it before, but he used a lightning lower intake, custom adapter plate to mount a 98 cobra upper...for those who are worried about runner length using the adapter plates on a 4.6 intake, this might be an alternative....

if you got any questions dont hesitate to contact him....

 

We'll bought some new stage 2 patriot heads and new Ford intake for the saleen. Soon...should be taking it to get dyno/tuned and i can finally post some numbers.

The swap is easy. For me i had to modify, the exhuast-had to extended it to reach the flow tubes but i didn't have to stretch it from side to side and i used a mac h pipe. You will need to grind on the passenger side exhaust manifold, you will see a piece that sticks out where the h pipe connects, you need to cut about an inch so it doesn touch the car when you install the motor or smacks the side when you gas the pedal. i could have reused the expedition oil pan, looked exactly the same as the 4.6 on the inside, the vans are totally different, but the drain plug was towards the back and i like how the 4.6 goes to the side, so i used the 4.6 oil pan. I didn't have to extend any wires, but different years might mean different things. Also installing a K member cut the weight difference and made alot of things easier but you don't have to get one. Tranny bolted right up to it, don't forget that it's an 8 bolt and the 4.6 is a 6 bolt flywheel. My stock AC,Power steering, pulleys all fit perfectly. I had two extra idler pulleys on the 5.4 that i took off since i didn't need them but that's no problem. I know in the 5.0 mag, when they put the 5.4 in the 2000 GT and they installed Steeda underdrive pulleys, the had to barely grind on the front cover cause the water pump pulley was touching it. The egr, i used block off plates from UPR to cover the plenum and EGR, due to the extra height from the adapter plates, it's cocked and won't bolt up. Soon i'll take the whole egr off and cap it on the exhaust manifold, when i have the chip burned they'll take the egr system out of the picture. I did have to cut some of my hood, if you look at the pics you'll see what i had to do but i beleive on the 99 and up hoods, the hole will be alittle smaller. You can find these motors at the local junk yard or even ebay, you just have to look around. The 5.4 with basic bolt ons and a tune should give you around 260-270 HP and around 350-360 Ft lbs of torque. And that's to the wheels with a 5 speed, more or less, all motors are different. Hopefully with the new heads i'm pushing over 300HP to the wheels and almost 400tq to the wheels with the tune. Damn that some good torque on a N/A motor....

CAMS are in the very soon future.

The V10 would be sweet but yeah, the modifications you would have to do and no performance intake would hinder performance really bad.

 

this link might help some folks decide if the swap is for them

http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/eb40340.htm

 

this link might help some folks decide if the swap is for them, it talks about the differances of the 5.4, what can be swapped from the 4.6

http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/eb40340.htm

 

So basicly if i get a 2nd gen lightning engine and then this http://www.proturbokits.com/store/sc...?idproduct=239 turbo kit, i'll be set for like 1000hp and i'll have the intake problem set, have exhaust already done...just need to do the tranny and then wiring!

 

with the lightning intake you will have to cut a hole in the hood

 

Customized shaker hood!